Prop, Tren, EQ and Mosterdrol.... plus

[jacshelb]

Ok guys, I'm going to be starting a cycle next week of test prop 175 mg. per week, tren ace at 175 mg per week (50 mg eod ea.), EQ at 350 mg per week, and Monsterdrol at 20 mg per day for a grand total of 840 mg per week. I'm going to run the test weeks 1-8, the EQ only to week 6 to give it time to clear my sytem with the last test shot, the tren to week 7 and the monsterdrol through week 6. I'm finishing the last week+ with test as I do believe in tapering (I know few still do..) but will be following up with some pct nonetheless. I'm trying to re-gain some significant size.

I guess my question is: Will the EQ be giving me any benefit during this cycle? If not, how would you change this cycle sot that it will? Or should I just save it for a longer/different cycle?- as it's kinda expensive by comparison.

Also, I'll be using a very small amount (as I'm plenty sensitive) of humalog post workout with this as well, 3 days per week.

I know everyone says to run EQ for at least 8-10 weeks, but I'm not big on long cycles. I find I recover just fine from 8 weekers, not so much with longer. But, I'm open to suggestions.

I'm 6'2" and lean at 195-200 lbs. I've competed several times in the last 2.5 years (hence the low bodyweight) and now want to take time off to gain mass again. I've done several low-mod dose cycles over the last several years. I've always kept it under 600 mg total up to this point.

Like I say, I'm totally open to suggestions. Is this overkill? Should I throw something out or change something around? Let me know! Thanks.

 

[jacshelb]

Bump, thoughts?

 

[sensational]

If anything, its Underkill.

Up the prop to 3-400 mg per week (100mg Eod). The EQ is fine. Up the tren to 75mg Eod. The monsterdrol is fine, and is good since it is a dht type.

Have arimidex/aromasin on hand. Doubt you will need it though.

Six weeks of EQ huh? I don't like it. I would up the duration to 10 weeks on EQ and 12 to 13 on the other. Take a break mid-cycle on the monsterdrol.

Just my .02.

 

[Heath82]

i agree with sensational on the dosing... i dont care for pro-hormones, but thats just imo. im sure you would see cardio benifits from the eq, (which is good considering what tren will do to it) but little in gains/vascularity.

 

[needtogetaas]

i agree with sensational on the dosing... i dont care for pro-hormones, but thats just imo. im sure you would see cardio benifits from the eq, (which is good considering what tren will do to it) but little in gains/vascularity.

Yes true thats about all he will get from the eq... AGAIN superdrol is not a pro hormone its a real steroid.

 

[jacshelb]

If anything, its Underkill.

Up the prop to 3-400 mg per week (100mg Eod). The EQ is fine. Up the tren to 75mg Eod. The monsterdrol is fine, and is good since it is a dht type.

Have arimidex/aromasin on hand. Doubt you will need it though.

Six weeks of EQ huh? I don't like it. I would up the duration to 10 weeks on EQ and 12 to 13 on the other. Take a break mid-cycle on the monsterdrol.

Just my .02.

Thanks for the advice. I usually do take a bit more prop and tren, but thought with adding in the other compounds, should balance out. Though I can see what you are saying about the EQ, might not do much of anything for short duration. I wonder why that is? I'm seriously considering lengthening the whole cycle as suggested. Thanks again.

 

[ryno9000]

I've been on EQ for god knows how long now and I have to say that a short burst with it will do nothing more than make you sweat a lot. Anytime I start EQ or up my dose I sweat like a hog, but it always levels out. 6 weeks with EQ is a total waste imo, and I think prop should be run 100mg/eod at least.

 

[jacshelb]

thanks man! I'm seriously thinking about making those changes, gotta trust experience.

 

[sensational]

I think you would like the cycle a lot more if you did make the changes. I like your approach about using the least amount possible, but in this instance, the dosages need to go up a bit.

 

[jacshelb]

Yeah, I've settled on making the following changes, as per advice given here: Monsterdrol weeks 1-4 and 9-12, up the prop and tren as advised weeks 1-12, and EQ weeks 1-10. And, not to be a cheap ass (and I know I am), but will running 200 mg per week of the EQ for 10 weeks do me any good? If not, that's cool, I'll break into my other bottle. But, as I have it it would be basically test 350 mg per week, tren 250 mg per week, EQ at 200 mg per week, and monsterdrol at 140 mg per week for a basic total of 950 mg total per week. Guys, that's right at the gram mark for most of this cycle which is nearly twice my normal. My only question is: do I need to up that EQ to 300 mg or will I do ok (given everything else in this cycle) with 200 mg per week?

 

[jacshelb]

And, I'm really curious to see how I grow on this. I haven't had a gaining cycle in a long time and haven't used more than 500-600 mg per week ever! -and never in my life for over 8 weeks. I've been clean for three solid months and am just finishing a two week layoff. I'm starting fresh, have my diet where I want it, and generally feel pretty good. God damn do I want to grow!!

 

[Heath82]

Yeah, I've settled on making the following changes, as per advice given here: Monsterdrol weeks 1-4 and 9-12, up the prop and tren as advised weeks 1-12, and EQ weeks 1-10. And, not to be a cheap ass (and I know I am), but will running 200 mg per week of the EQ for 10 weeks do me any good? If not, that's cool, I'll break into my other bottle. But, as I have it it would be basically test 350 mg per week, tren 250 mg per week, EQ at 200 mg per week, and monsterdrol at 140 mg per week for a basic total of 950 mg total per week. Guys, that's right at the gram mark for most of this cycle which is nearly twice my normal. My only question is: do I need to up that EQ to 300 mg or will I do ok (given everything else in this cycle) with 200 mg per week?

id up the eq to 3 or 400 a week, and dont run tren 12 weeks... run it the first 6

 

[jacshelb]

Ok, that's a good point!

 

[sensational]

I'd run tren until week 10, and continue the test until week 12. About tren being hard on your body...I find this mostly myth..

But do what you want bro. The EQ should be 3-400mg as was said.

 

[jacshelb]

Well, I'm rollin. Tren and prop are at 75 mg eod. EQ is right at 300 per week. And, the m-drol is 140mg per week. I'm gonna do the tren at least till week 10 as you suggested sensational. I've never had trouble running it for 6-8 weeks, I don't think a couple extra will hurt. The dose is reasonable enough. No sweating yet, but it's freakin cold here anyway. You guys are gonna think I'm nuts, but I'm already getting back pumps and have filled out a bit- a few days of juice and plenty o' carbs!

Had my first workout back into it today after a 12 day layoff. Felt good. Had the humalog at only 2 IUs with shake after and that went fine. I'll try 3 next time, but I'm keeping it on the very low side on purpose.

So far so good! Thanks again for the advice guys. Also, I've ordered some liver support supplements and plan on drinking plenty H2O.

 

[sensational]

Well, I'm rollin. Tren and prop are at 75 mg eod. EQ is right at 300 per week. And, the m-drol is 140mg per week. I'm gonna do the tren at least till week 10 as you suggested sensational. I've never had trouble running it for 6-8 weeks, I don't think a couple extra will hurt. The dose is reasonable enough. No sweating yet, but it's freakin cold here anyway. You guys are gonna think I'm nuts, but I'm already getting back pumps and have filled out a bit- a few days of juice and plenty o' carbs!

Had my first workout back into it today after a 12 day layoff. Felt good. Had the humalog at only 2 IUs with shake after and that went fine. I'll try 3 next time, but I'm keeping it on the very low side on purpose.

So far so good! Thanks again for the advice guys. Also, I've ordered some liver support supplements and plan on drinking plenty H2O.

Enjoy your cycle and keep us posted on the results!

 

[jacshelb]

Ok, so a little over 1 week in. Test prop and tren ace both at 75 mg eod, EQ at 100 eod, and m-drol at 20 mg/day. Total, just over a gram a week- def the most I've ever done. Like I said, I'm about 8 days in and up, I kid you not, 20 lbs. Fucking ridiculous. I had been on low carbs so long, I think now that I'm taking in plenty o carbs and the juice my body is retaining water like crazy! I'm starting some letrozole in small quantities to combat the water weight.

It's kinda fun though watching your weight skyrocket, even if it is bloat at this point. About a week before starting this cycle I went back to a "normal" carb intake of 300-350 grams per day, but just before doing that I would weigh about 190 in the morning. This morning (two weeks later exactly)I weighed right at 213.

So far I've kept the insulin to a minimum- just after workouts and only 3 iu with a shake at this point. And, I've cut my training volume way back to ensure growth- heavy weights, but very few sets and all the rest I feel I need. I'm "protein cycling" as well- adding in 30 grams of protein per day every two weeks to keep the body overloaded for new growth.

I gotta feeling I may gain some crazy ass weight with this cycle. Here's hoping!

 

[jacshelb]

I guess I'm using this thread as a cycle log now. I added in some letro over the last couple days and my bloat from water weight is down nicely, thank God! I've shed about 5-6 lbs of water just adding this in. Weight sitting at about 206 now instead of 212, but I look much better- a lot less like the Michelin Man.

 

[jacshelb]

Been awhile since I updated. I'm four weeks in and have struggled with candida yeast overgrowth and the resulting lethargy/sickness. Feeling better now. I'm at 212 first thing in the morning and 218-220 at night, depending on how much I've eaten. The bloating is under control, put on a little fat, but mostly muscle "fullness" as I'm sure I'm storing lots of carbs, blood volume etc. All in all up about 20 lbs in total body weight.

Also, I've switched the humalog use to pre-workout instead of post. Milos S. was talking about this recently and made a good point: your blood flow is best when pumped and working hard, so why not take advantage of that? Also, I make sure to drink a whey shake about 1/2 hr before the shot so that the protein is already getting into the bloodstream and follow up with carbs during workout. So far (just a week or so of this), I'm less bloated the next day and my muscles that have been trained are full looking by the evening after the workout vs. a day later. I feel like I'm not getting depleted this way. All in all, I think it's a better method.

I know it sounds kinda crazy, but I'd love to hit 240 by the end of this cycle. I've got 8 more weeks to go and plan to make the most of it. Especially now that I'm feeling a bit better and able to train and eat like I want.

 

[jacshelb]

Ok, it's been another month, I'm right at the 8 week mark. I bumped the EQ to 90 mg eod, the tren to a legit 75 mg eod (was a bit underdosed before) and the test prop to 100 mg eod all within the last few weeks. What a difference that made! I'm finally getting my humalog protocol down: pre-workout with dextrose/bcaas/creatine/eaas etc. I'm back using the m-drol as well. My health is finally better, no more gastro intestinal problems for awhile now. And I'm eating more. I'm also taking letrozole to keep the water weight way down.

The results: Are you ready for this?! I started out at 192 in the morning and am now sitting at 224 lbs first thing in the morning! I'm right at 230 this evening. And, I still have a bit of abs- not great abs, but the outline you'd see if you sit around 12% bf or so. My arms are up a full inch (they suck, but this is the first time they've been over 17" pumped) and my chest measures 51" flexed, thighs around 27", and waist is about 35 mid day- not too bad! Again, I'm 6'2" btw, so I don't look huge by any means, but this is great for me! The last time I weighed this much my waist was 37-38", so I was holding about 15 more lbs of fat!

I really want to hit 240 lbs over the next month. But I refuse to let the fat get out of control, so I'm keeping an eye on that.

 

[Burpees]

sensational, excellent advice bro.