Prohormone Routine Status

[Weapon X]

Well, I am back from vacation and finally over that dang cold, and so it is time to GET ON WITH IT! (I began this program on Monday, August 12th, and I still have a nasty cough (coupled with asthma) that's interfering with my sleep, though.)

I had my wife take my Before pictures this past Sunday (August 12th, 2001), and (as I don’t feel like getting flamed until after I’ve completed this 8-week routine) I will post them after I am done, along with the After pics.
(P.S. – Does anyone else’s significant other think it’s funny that you take before and after pics?)

Stats: I am 5’5’’ and weigh approximately 150 lbs. (according to the scale at my gym, anyway. The scale at my doc's office says 155.) at around 17% bodyfat. (Not very impressive, I know – that’s why I’m working on it!)

Goals: Mass, mass, mass. As a short-term goal, I’d like to hit 170 lbs. (Also, I’d like to cut down to single-digit bf, but not until I bulk up with some more good solid muscle.)

History, I’ve been working out, off and on (mostly off) for a few years. I started with a 3-day/week routine, training whole body 3x weekly.

I finally woke up to the fact that I need to get more serious, and I am starting a 4 day split this week. (After all: They say that if you keep doing what you're doing, you'll get the results you've always gotten!)

Mon – Chest & Tris
Tues – Back & Bis
Wed – Rest
Thurs – Shoulders, Calves, Abs
Fri - Legs

Supplements: I’m all natty for now (as should be evident from my less-than-stellar stats), and am supplementing with the Mass Quantities Testosterone Cyclone, as outlined on the MQ site.

I’ve seen lots of arguments, pro and con, about prohormones, and this thread shouldn’t be the place for more of those arguments. I had very good results (great strength gains and 5 lbs. weight gain) with Norabol within a month, so I have been having good results and am looking forward to continued success.

I'll continue to post regarding my progress until the end of 8 weeks, at which time the results will be evident, for better or ill.

Peace,
Weapon X

 

[RealDeal]

Good luck bro. So your basically supplementing with 4/5-AD and creatine for the 1st 5wks, then adding in tribulus & chrysin. You might want to consider altering the stack a bit and tossing in 500mg+ 19-nordiol/day or a transdermal...just a suggestion. With the Testosterone Cyclone stack, you're getting a total of 600mg 4-AD & 300mg 5-AD. Since the 5-AD is mainly used to enhance the effectiveness of the 4-AD, if you're really wanting to be agressive, you can afford to bump up your PH intake. Again, I'm just making a suggestion and only you can decide how much is enough for you.

I'm on the "Muscle Explosion Cycle" and I altered it slightly by skipping week #2 and jumping straight from week #1 to week #3. I didn't feel the need of an extra week of "taking it easy" and wanted to get with the program. I'm now on my week #3 (MQ's week #4) and am up to taking 1200mg of 19-nor, 600mg of 4-AD and 300mg of 5-AD. Man, I hope this shit works!

Just make sure you're eating heavy, training hardcore and following your cycle. I'm with ya on the pics...had to have my g/f take 'em and the damn pics came out fuzzy and dark. Gotta get a digital cam before I take my after pics. I'm thinking of doing them in a before/after bulking/after cutting scheme which will make it a total of approx. 16 weeks from start to finish.

Again, good luck & I'll be interested to see your progress.

 

[Weapon X]

RealDeal, check your pm.

 

[Weapon X]

First Update

This week's workout have been great, and I have been using the ph as recommended.
However, all of this week so far (Mon - Thurs), I have had terrible diarrhea and am moving my bowels 3-4 times per day, up from my usual one.
Is this due to the supps? I can't be certain, but that is the only change to my diet.
Of course, I may have gotten food poisoning from a restaurant, but when I have had food poisoning in the past, it has only lasted for 24 - 48 hours.
This is four days of liquid bowel movements, and I am getting concerned about dehydration. If it lasts through the weekend, I will need to take corrective action. I hope that I don't need to abandon this supp routine.

 

[Weapon X]

Update 2

Some fine tuning.
Halved my AM dose of Volumex and dropped my preworkout dose of Andro Infusion from 3 caps to 2.
I also ate a banana, for its famed "binding" qualities.

Quality of life much better today. Back to only moving bowels once a day, as opposed to the 6 times it happened yesterday. Either the dosages were just too high for my empty stomach, or I need to ramp up over time. I'll be upping the dosages back to recommended levels after a while, to give my body time to adjust.

Leg day - Good workout. Still adjusting to the 4-day split routine.I need to rationmy energy differently than when I was training whole body every day I was in the gym.

 

[Weapon X]

Turns out the issue was with the 5mg of Volumex on an empty stomach in the AM - I just can't take it. Halved my morning dose of Volumex to 2.5 grams, and the rest of the prohormones I'm taking according to recommended dosages.

I'm loving the 4-day training split. My poundages are going up with each workout, and it feels great to really be able to blast each bodypart by specialising.

I just reviewed my workout notes and see that I've gained about 12 pounds in the last two months. I just looked at some pictures taken of me at my company picnic last week, and I can see the gut I'm getting. But I can diet that away after I pack some more mass onto my arms, pecs, etc.

 

[RealDeal]

So you sorted out your bowel probs? Rather than cutting back on your PH dosages, I would've suggested supplementing with some good quality fiber to "firm up" which would really help with that problem. Look for psyllium husk, by YerbaPrima for example. I haven't experienced this problematic poop with my cycle, but we're all different.

If you really wanna see some results you've got to be agressive with the prohormones. Follow the recommended cycle by MQ at the least. I'm now on my week #4 (MQ's week #5) and am still going up on nearly all exercises and it feels fantastic. I'm getting better pumps because of it. I've had about 3 or 4 niacin flushes since I started the agressive supplementation last week, but they go away in 20-30 mins.

Like you, I've gained nearly 20 lbs in the last 2 months, and approximately 13 lbs since I started this PH cycle 3 1/2 weeks ago. I don't attribute ALL this gain to the PH as a good 3-5 lbs is H2O from creatine, though I started with the creatine about a week before the PH. Regardless, I've been pleased with the results so far and my goal is to gain another 12-15 lbs in the next 8 weeks. That's very ambitious, but if I can keep gaining like I have over the last 8 weeks, then it's possible. I'll then move to cutting and figure to drop 5+ lbs depending on how much of what I'm carrying is water weight.

 

[NYC BOY]

150 lbs only !
u are weak for prohormones dude. u should eat some food first and than start with it !
u are killing your potential !

 

[riskybiz007]

agree completely.

 

[RealDeal]

150 lbs only !
u are weak for prohormones dude. u should eat some food first and than start with it !
u are killing your potential !

I assume you're not referring to me?

This isn't bad advice (to first work on gaining w/out any PH), but considering he's already into a PH cycle I think he might as well continue so long as it's agressive dosages. Non-agressive will basically be wasting your time and money. His gains likely won't be as good as if he had already worked on some "natural" gains and lowered bf %, but how do you come to the conclusion that he's "killing your potential"?

 

[Weapon X]

My natural bodyweight is around 135 pounds - that's what my weight reverts to when I stop stuffing myself like a pig (remember, I'm just 5' 5", too).
I'm stuffing myself and also working out hard, and my gains are happening.
How do you feel that I am killing my potential?? I really want to know to see if I need to reevaluate...

 

[SteadyGains]

A great combination is the Andro-Spray by Ergopharm combined with the Pyscho-Nordiol nasal spray. Apply 12 sprays of androdiol twice daily and take 2 sprays per nostril of the nasal spray three times daily. These supplements will work nicely if the training and nutrition are covered. The nasal can be harsh for certain people, but it seems to work well for most. Oatmeal and apples early in the day are excellent fiber sources and help with "regularity"!

 

[riskybiz007]

bro why are you killing your natural potential? Well lets just say you haven't reached it yet so you will not know what your "natural" potential is. Maybe it's just me... but i think these products were developed not for people to reach their natural potential but to help people climb over their plateu once they've hit their natural potential. You know, like hitting a brick wall then you could go ahead and take whatever you want to help you get past it. Am I the only person who thinks this is what you should do? In my book that is the logical thing to do.

 

[RealDeal]

riskybiz - I see your point and I agree with it...partially. To say he is "killing" his potential by using prohormones before he has plateaued out by using nothing but creatine, protein powder, flax & glutamine (i.e. no prohormones) is like saying someone who uses gear before they reach their natural plateau will not be able to make good gains with gear down the road. This may not be the best time for him go on a PH cycle, but this could probably be said for me and any number of people on PH or gear. Just because he, or anyone, uses PH before hitting a wall in their "natural" development does not mean that they will not experience gains, and potentially significant gains, down the road by using them again. That's why you cycle on prohormones & gear, and I'm sure you already know this because it's obvious you're no idiot.

Again, I do understand your point and as far as gear goes, I'd agree with you 100%. People certainly won't see the same gains w/PH as w/gear, but I can't agree that he's "killing" his potential.

 

[riskybiz007]

bro maybe he's not killing his potential, maybe he is. Who really knows? I know when my bro. thought about roids and was 17 i almost killed him. I told him he had enough testosterone and gh in him to grow very faster than most people (older people). Well that was almost 2 years ago and he went from 170 to 240 and is ripped at about 215. Those were the "natural" gains. Now at about 225 i don't really care if he wants to further his success by other means, but now i know he's possibly reached his potential. If he would have taken the roids or prohormones where would that have gotten him? Same results and left w/ no alternative to further himself? That's why i use supplements and gear once i've hit the brick wall and i have nowhere to go. But everybody is their own opinions on what they want to do and that's fine, this is just my thoughts...
peace

 

[RealDeal]

risky - in your bro's case that makes perfect sense seeing as he was 17 at the time. I don't think ANYONE under 21 (or even several years older) has neither business nor the need to use gear or prohormones. Just like you said, they have high natural hormone levels in their blood at that age range and using AS or PH could be detrimental.

For those of us that are a bit older, or a lot older, than 21 I don't think supplementation of PH will necessarilly kill potential down the road. I think each and every individual should look at where they've been, where they are, and where they want to go, their body type, traning methods, diet, etc. and determine for themselves if PH or AS are an intelligent option. Simply put: choose wisely.

These are our opinions and neither of us is wrong.

~ RD

 

[riskybiz007]

Hey i totally agree w/ your last statement. It depends on many factors as you pointed out. There's a lot of considerations... now lets see how this guy does w/ his ph cycle.

 

[playdo]

Why do people not taking steroids, but are taking creatine and pro hormones, insist on saying their natural. Steroids and creatine are both muscle enhancing, one just works better and is illegal.

www.geocities.com/supplementguide

 

[riskybiz007]

i agree to an extent. Creatine is a natural substance in your body, but so is nortestosterone (deca's effects). Prohormones on the other hand are good at increasing the amount of estrogen in your body at alarming rates w/ minimal testosterone increase IMO and very short life of testosterone spikes. Only prohormone IMO worth taking are the 19 Nor's

 

[Weapon X]

Sucks.

Had to go to the doctor last Friday after being sick all week. I didn't let it stop my workouts, but maybe I should have.
I have been put on stronger (steroidal) asthma medication, antibiotics for the respiratory tract infection, and codeine to let me sleep, as the cough hasn't let me sleep all the way through the night for the last 3 weeks.
This all sucks, and I am majorly, majorly disheartened. And I'm pissed off. These setbacks keep happening and I try to work through them, but I can't now. Shit!


So this damn routine is finished for now. If I ever finally recover and can breathe again, I'll be going it again. I still have 15 pounds to gain, dammit!