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Problems with weight gainer

Twitched

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All of the weight gainers are all malodextrin. This is a 100GI carb. This is bad for anything that isn't post workout. How can you DRINK a balanced meal without spiking your insulin?

All of those stupid MRPs are malodextrin.

Are there any powders using some other powdered low gi carb?


twitched
 
Can you please explain how this is bad for you. I'm drinking 2 a day spaced out over 4 different meals. I'm on a Deca only cycle. The only problem I'm having is major dirrareah and sometimes I get these intense bursts of energy (not good ones), my heart beat increases, and I feel real jittery.
Doubt this has to do with weightgainers, just thought I'd state the problem and see if anybody had any answers.
 
ReelBig said:
Can you please explain how this is bad for you. I'm drinking 2 a day spaced out over 4 different meals. I'm on a Deca only cycle. The only problem I'm having is major dirrareah and sometimes I get these intense bursts of energy (not good ones), my heart beat increases, and I feel real jittery.
Doubt this has to do with weightgainers, just thought I'd state the problem and see if anybody had any answers.


i used to have some diarhea if i drank a weight gianer toofast or there was just too much in it ( the XXL's i can only drink half at once and thne consume the other half later as it is hard to digest a whole bottle in one serving 1090cals is a lot!)
 
good ? Twitched, I try to stay away from HI GI except for postworkout - it would be great to know if there where any MRP or gainer's without a HI GI carb source in them...bump for more info.
 
ReelBig said:
Can you please explain how this is bad for you. I'm drinking 2 a day spaced out over 4 different meals. I'm on a Deca only cycle. The only problem I'm having is major dirrareah and sometimes I get these intense bursts of energy (not good ones), my heart beat increases, and I feel real jittery.
Doubt this has to do with weightgainers, just thought I'd state the problem and see if anybody had any answers.

High GI carbohydrates such as maltodextrin cause a very rapid and dramatic increase, or spike, in blood glucose levels. To clear this wave of glucos from the blood and equally massive influx of insulin is released. Now, insulin is not bad, but too much of it too fast is. This si exactly what happens when you ingest a lot of high GI carbs. Insulin is an anti-lipolytic hormone meaning that it prevens the breakdown of fat. It is also lipognesis promoting meanig that all those glucose molecules from your weight gainer shake that your body has no use for will be made into fat and stored in adipocytes. Insulin turns on the fat making machinery. When you eat low Gi carbs in frequent, but smaller, quanities you don't have this mass infusion of blood glucose and the body only needs a small amount of insulin to deal with the glucose. This small amount of insulin will be just sufficent to activate glucose transport systems in the myocytes, but not the adipocytes, provided calories aren't too high. Weight gain shakes have far more carbohydrate/calories than anyone needs in one sitting. By ingesting smaller more frequent meals blood glucose remains level and insulin very low. Insulin in high qunaities also is detrimental to arteries, the heart, and nerves. It can also lead to type 2 diabetes, or insulin insensitivity. In this case your muscle aren't activated properly by small amounts of insulin so they don't take up the glucose. The body thus produces more insulin, and then even more insulin, but the muscle still don't respond. This leave far too much glucose in the blood and it will be synthesized into fat. The problems only compound from there. The body is able to "handle" low GI carbs much more efficiently and thus onle small, safe amounts of insulin are released by the pancreas.
 
Beezers said:


High GI carbohydrates such as maltodextrin cause a very rapid and dramatic increase, or spike, in blood glucose levels. To clear this wave of glucos from the blood and equally massive influx of insulin is released. Now, insulin is not bad, but too much of it too fast is. This si exactly what happens when you ingest a lot of high GI carbs. Insulin is an anti-lipolytic hormone meaning that it prevens the breakdown of fat. It is also lipognesis promoting meanig that all those glucose molecules from your weight gainer shake that your body has no use for will be made into fat and stored in adipocytes. Insulin turns on the fat making machinery. When you eat low Gi carbs in frequent, but smaller, quanities you don't have this mass infusion of blood glucose and the body only needs a small amount of insulin to deal with the glucose. This small amount of insulin will be just sufficent to activate glucose transport systems in the myocytes, but not the adipocytes, provided calories aren't too high. Weight gain shakes have far more carbohydrate/calories than anyone needs in one sitting. By ingesting smaller more frequent meals blood glucose remains level and insulin very low. Insulin in high qunaities also is detrimental to arteries, the heart, and nerves. It can also lead to type 2 diabetes, or insulin insensitivity. In this case your muscle aren't activated properly by small amounts of insulin so they don't take up the glucose. The body thus produces more insulin, and then even more insulin, but the muscle still don't respond. This leave far too much glucose in the blood and it will be synthesized into fat. The problems only compound from there. The body is able to "handle" low GI carbs much more efficiently and thus onle small, safe amounts of insulin are released by the pancreas.

Great Info..... Karma your way!
 
Twitched said:
All of the weight gainers are all malodextrin. This is a 100GI carb. This is bad for anything that isn't post workout. How can you DRINK a balanced meal without spiking your insulin?

All of those stupid MRPs are malodextrin.

Are there any powders using some other powdered low gi carb?


twitched
When I read the lable of many so called MRPs I laugh my ass of. Why not eat a fudge sunday?

There is a place called The Colgan Institute that is the top athletic nutrition institute in the country. I know the have a drink for their athletes that uses some isolated grain carb with a very low GI. I don't think the stuff is on the market but I'll try to look into how they make it. Beverly International (one of the best supplement manufacturers IMO) makes a drink that contains what they call "humilin" (SP?) that is low GI. The funny thing is, I've seen this stuff at my gym, but I can't find any powdered drink on their wesite that does not contain maltodextrin.

I'm willing to bet that there are a couple other low GI MRPs on the market but they are sure hard to find.

I don't think a high GI MRP every once in a while outside of post-workout will hurt you much, but it's sure as hell not how I prefer to eat. For a quick, easy, and portable meal, I'm apt to carry a serving of plain brown rice (GI=55 on glucose based list) and a pure protein powder. I've just started the habit of eating dry oats(mmmmmmmm) and have thought abouyt mixing dry oats, milk, and protein powder in the blender for a quick "meal replacement."
 
MRP's shouldnt have very much maltodextrin or any type of sugar. most MRPO nowadays are all low carb or zero carb.

maltodextrin is a complex sugar/carbohydrate. compare this to all the simple sugars they put in weight gainers and u get a "cake mix". i'd rather have a slow burning complex sugar like maltodextrin than a simple sugar.

maltodextrin IS better than simple sugars, stop bitchin.

rNg
 
rutNgut said:
MRP's shouldnt have very much maltodextrin or any type of sugar. most MRPO nowadays are all low carb or zero carb.

maltodextrin is a complex sugar/carbohydrate. compare this to all the simple sugars they put in weight gainers and u get a "cake mix". i'd rather have a slow burning complex sugar like maltodextrin than a simple sugar.

maltodextrin IS better than simple sugars, stop bitchin.

rNg


It's better then simple sugar, but it SUCKS for all the reasons beezers mentioned. It's not an acceptable way to eat if you're going to eat it 3 times a day.

I had the same idea silent had.. I was going to grind oats into a fine dust with a mortar and pestil and mix it with whey protein and peanut butter and skim milk to make a REAL mrp..


Someone really should make one..
 
rutNgut said:
MRP's shouldnt have very much maltodextrin or any type of sugar. most MRPO nowadays are all low carb or zero carb.

maltodextrin is a complex sugar/carbohydrate. compare this to all the simple sugars they put in weight gainers and u get a "cake mix". i'd rather have a slow burning complex sugar like maltodextrin than a simple sugar.

maltodextrin IS better than simple sugars, stop bitchin.

rNg
Look again. Most meal replacement powders on the market have maltodextrin. Any "meal repacement" supplement without carbs is not suitable to be deemed a meal replacement in my opinion.

You'd rather have a "slow burning complex sugar like maltodextrin" huh? Well, take another look at that one too. Maltodextrin has the highest GI rating of all the sugars, exept for maltose which equals it. Maltodextrins extremely high GI is why it is so desirable for post-workout supplementation, and so undesirable at other times.

Excluding the functionality of it's high GI for post-workout nutrition, the only place maltodextrin shines over other sugars is that it is thought to create less free radicals as it is processed in the body.
 
I think everyones lost the track of this thread... It was started regarding weigth gainers, I think a high GI weight gainer is excellent post workout. I dont recommend it for breakfast for obvious reasons, but thats why its not an MRP, but simply a weight gainer.
 
aNuBiS said:
I think everyones lost the track of this thread... It was started regarding weigth gainers, I think a high GI weight gainer is excellent post workout. I dont recommend it for breakfast for obvious reasons, but thats why its not an MRP, but simply a weight gainer.

The thread was about finding a wieght gainer or MRP with out the high GI, and a question asking if it was bad at times besides postworkout, and that is what is being debated.

Silent Method- I thought that Dextrose had the highest GI rating? I thought this was the prefered postworkout carb? Also, Bump to finding a good Brand of MRP, Protein Powder, gainer without the Maltodextrin or high GI.

One more thing(kinda off the topic, but I thought it was interesting) SPLENDA- "the no calorie sweetner" it's ingredients are Dextrose, Maltodextrin, and Sucralose. Funny how it has no calories, and <1g carb, but it's main ingredients are the highest on the GI? Could this shit be misleading?
 
Iwan2bsolid2 said:
Silent Method- I thought that Dextrose had the highest GI rating? I thought this was the prefered postworkout carb
Dextrose is an isomer of glucose. It has a GI of 100 compared to maltodextrins GI of 105. Not much difference in that department.
 
Oh ok. Why have I heard it's the prefered postworkout carb source, have you heard this?
And about that Beverly International stuff, any more info on it?

Thanks daWG.
 
"The supplement industry" would say acorns are the prefered post-workout carb source if thats what they were selling at the time. I have nothing against dextrose and think it works great. Maltodextrin is still my first choice.

Beverly International is a great company. My gym carries their stuff. The funny thing is, my gym has more than the have on their website. Beverly International
 
If someone were to design a weight gainer containing 60g protein, 60g carbs (GI < 50), 10g omega-3 fats, I would be all over it like flies on shit.
 
K hope I don't get flamed for going off topic but just to clear this up in my head....Twitched, don't fat/carb meals cause insulin spikes? I was on the impression when having fatty meals to limit carb intake, is this bullshit?
 
Not really on the insulin spike. If you are eating low glycemic carbs that is.

Your insulin will be raised, of course, but not SPIKED.

You NEED insulin to grow, BUT you want a slow and steady release of insulin. This can be accomplished with a 40/40/20 diet with low GI carbs.

I feel the ONLY way to bulk properly is to eat 40/40/20 all day in small meals, with the carbs all very low gi, except post workout where they should be malodextrin or dextrose.

What causes insulin spikes is simple overeating in one sitting (hence we eat 6-8 meals a day) or eating too much HIGH gi carbohydrates like sugar, malodextrin, instant mashed potatoes, etc.
 
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What baffles me is fructose is 22gi, which is REAL LOW, yet I can feel my blood sugar shoot through the roof when I drink anything with it..


Anyone explain this to me?
 
Hey bro, your idea about ground oatmeal is not a bad one, however im not sure if you really need to grind it up. If you dont mind having a little thickness in your shake just mix the protein with the 1 minute quaker stuff. Its not as good as the old fashioned kind but the difference is neglibible and its easier to drink. I used to drink these when i was working and didnt have time to eat a real meal. The other question is can you refrigerate it or put it in a cooler? If so, have it premade with milk and it tastes pretty good, add a little flax and your good to go. Hope this helps.
 
High GI

It's confusing to me too. Fructose=simple sugar witha low GI. Maltodextrin=complex carb with the highest GI. I would go low GI any day of the week. My physique leaned out when I started consuming low to moderate GI carbs.

As far as MRP's, I think Beta-Statin may not have maltodextrin, but I'm not sure. There are adds in the BB mags for a new MRP with no maltodextrin, but it's fuckin mad expensive, even whole sale.

So can anyonme tell me if this is right - maltodextrin breaks down slowly and once it is broken down - BAM- insulin spike. Correct?
 
I'm mixing 1 scoop weight gainer (1/2 of shake) with 2 scoops protein 3 times a day. Is this to much WG or am I ok.

Getting about 80g carbs, 70g protein and 800 cal, each time.
 
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