Problem!!! Need to do cycles before contest enough time?

[musclehealth]

I am doing a contest in late April. I was planning on doing two cycles before the show. First a bulker 12 weeks (test, deca, tbol). I was also going to do a cutter before the show. I cant start the bulking cycle till the start of november because of no--$$$$$$$. I will have the cash at the end of the month. Will I have enough time to squeeze both of them in? I dont know if I will have enough time to fully recover from the first one. Can someone scedual me a goog time to start, finish recover, cut and win (show). Im also taking donations in the form of AAS LOL.

 

[musclehealth]

To add in...I could cut my bulker short and stick to 10 weeks. what ya guys think? Will this work out? I know that its not a good idea to go from a bulk strait to a cutting cycle. You loose mass. Please help.

 

[|3ossman]

-november 21-december 27:
8 week cycle- Test(short esters only), NPP, Tbol

-december 28-february 28
9 weeks off including pct

-March 1-April 26
8 week cycle to get into contest shape

this is a stretch as im sure you know. not really ample time between, and i know you said you wanted a 12 weeker for bulking, but its almost not possible at this point. If you used all short esters for bulking (i.e. prop, suspenion, NPP, tbol) you could hopefully fully recover from the bulker in time to hit the 2nd cycle. But if you used sus or enan or deca you will not even come close to recovering in time.

I am in the same jam as i am competing in a National Level PL meet in June and I am trying to get it together! Somebody want to front a brother some gear? LOL

 

[musclehealth]

-november 21-december 27:
8 week cycle- Test(short esters only), NPP, Tbol

-december 28-february 28
9 weeks off including pct

-March 1-April 26
8 week cycle to get into contest shape

this is a stretch as im sure you know. not really ample time between, and i know you said you wanted a 12 weeker for bulking, but its almost not possible at this point. If you used all short esters for bulking (i.e. prop, suspenion, NPP, tbol) you could hopefully fully recover from the bulker in time to hit the 2nd cycle. But if you used sus or enan or deca you will not even come close to recovering in time.

I am in the same jam as i am competing in a National Level PL meet in June and I am trying to get it together! Somebody want to front a brother some gear? LOL

what if I did a 10 week bulker and only had 7 weeks off?

 

[RADAR]

I did several bulkers then immediately switched over to my cutting cycle before contest time -worked well enough for me!


RADAR

 

[|3ossman]

what if I did a 10 week bulker and only had 7 weeks off?

well, you always want atleast same amount of time off or more.

I like Radar's idea though. You could run a 10-12 week bulker and go straight into an 8 week cutter. Its a bit long for me, but your doing a contest so you gotta do what you gotta do right? I would run hcg throughout to help keep the boys going.

 

[Gman1]

what if I did a 10 week bulker and only had 7 weeks off?

theres no what if really, youd just be taking 7weeks instead of 8, simple as that,.... youd be given your body 1less week to recover.. will you recover fully, dunno depends on cycle experience alot... but depending on how important the show is to me... i would either do 2 cycles w/ a sufficient amount of time off in the middle, least 8weeks, and then do the cycle before the show... or, you could just try to get some natural gains right now and just maybe do like a 20week cycle... upto showdate.. bulk for 8week cut for 12...( i would suggest at least 20weeks off after that though...but most heavy juicers dont...dunno how all out you are..) but mostly do what your comfortible w/and what you know your body will respond good too...

 

[musclehealth]

I like the idea of a heavy bulker followed by a cutter all in one. This show is SUPER important. How about a 10 week bulker followed by a 8week cutter? Back to back? No PCT till the end of the complete cycle?

 

[|3ossman]

sounds good to me, you better get fucking HUGE bro! good luck and post up your progression.

 

[Maxx Out]

I like the idea of a heavy bulker followed by a cutter all in one. This show is SUPER important. How about a 10 week bulker followed by a 8week cutter? Back to back? No PCT till the end of the complete cycle?

That's what I was thinking, one long cycle instead of screwin' around w/two short ones. I think ur on the right track bro!

 

[bluehen]

I like the idea of a heavy bulker followed by a cutter all in one. This show is SUPER important. How about a 10 week bulker followed by a 8week cutter? Back to back? No PCT till the end of the complete cycle?

Very good idea given you time frame. No pct ontill after the show. You should be running some anti e's before the show anyway for the water.

 

[RADAR]

I like the idea of a heavy bulker followed by a cutter all in one. This show is SUPER important. How about a 10 week bulker followed by a 8week cutter? Back to back? No PCT till the end of the complete cycle?

thats right on point, just keep a clean bulker so you have sufficient time to lean up.


RADAR

 

[musclehealth]

How does this look?


Test 750mg week 1-20
Deca 1-12
Tbol 1-6, 14-20

I wna add in primo and winny in the end of the cycle. What do you think about doses? Ill prob do some mid cycle hcg also.

 

[Makavelli]

Just run a 20 week cycle. 8 weeks of bulking and 12 of cutting into the show.

 

[RADAR]

Just run a 20 week cycle. 8 weeks of bulking and 12 of cutting into the show.

That will work! I'd rather have a 12 week cutter.



RADAR

 

[RADAR]

How does this look?


Test 750mg week 1-20
Deca 1-12
Tbol 1-6, 14-20

I wna add in primo and winny in the end of the cycle. What do you think about doses? Ill prob do some mid cycle hcg also.

looks good, then run the primo & Winny thru your cutter
Get some masterdon for finishing that chisled look!

RADAR

 

[musclehealth]

looks good, then run the primo & Winny thru your cutter
Get some masterdon for finishing that chisled look!

RADAR

What doses should I do? By the way...check ur e-mail.

 

[musclehealth]

Plus...primo is waaaay expensive but will pay if needed.

 

[RADAR]

Plus...primo is waaaay expensive but will pay if needed.

Primo should be ran at 400mg week min dosage

Or sub it with some tren ACE!
be sure to add at least 300mgs of test Prop,or enanth/Cyp
Then Winny at 30mgs day! and you are rolling.



RADAR

 

[musclehealth]

Primo should be ran at 400mg week min dosage

Or sub it with some tren ACE!
be sure to add at least 300mgs of test Prop,or enanth/Cyp
Then Winny at 30mgs day! and you are rolling.



RADAR

So...

Test 750mg week 1-20
Deca 1-12
Tbol 1-6, 14-20
Primo week 10-20 500mg week
winny 30mg day 10-20

hows that sound?

 

[solidspine]

How does this look?


Test 750mg week 1-20
Deca 1-12
Tbol 1-6, 14-20

I wna add in primo and winny in the end of the cycle. What do you think about doses? Ill prob do some mid cycle hcg also.





I would add the PRIMO as early as possible!

 

[RADAR]

So...

Test 750mg week 1-20
Deca 1-12
Tbol 1-6, 14-20
Primo week 10-20 500mg week
winny 30mg day 10-20

hows that sound?

Test 750mg week 1-20
Deca 1-12
Tbol 1-6, 14-20

Is all you need for bulking


Save the primo/tren/winny for cutting!

RADAR

 

[musclehealth]

Test 750mg week 1-20
Deca 1-12
Tbol 1-6, 14-20

Is all you need for bulking


Save the primo/tren/winny for cutting!

RADAR

The whole point was to have the bulking and cutting side of each other. When in the 20 weeks should I add in the primo and winny?

 

[RADAR]

The whole point was to have the bulking and cutting side of each other. When in the 20 weeks should I add in the primo and winny?

Thats what i would do.start it up on Week seven.
50mg of tren ace eod would compliment that nicely.
RADAR

 

[musclehealth]

Dam. I am still unclear. Sorry..starting to sound like a newb. So. I will do 20 weeks. I will run the test/deca throughout. Tbol 6 weeks in the start. I will start cutting week 7? with??? Primo? Winny? Whats the best for the money?

 

[bluehen]

Dam. I am still unclear. Sorry..starting to sound like a newb. So. I will do 20 weeks. I will run the test/deca throughout. Tbol 6 weeks in the start. I will start cutting week 7? with??? Primo? Winny? Whats the best for the money?

No deca throughout! You'll hold water like crazy. You need to cut that out 6-8 week's out from the show. And the test should a fast acting one like prop or suspension.

 

[|3ossman]

bluehen is right on, cut the deca out atleast 8 weeks out and switch the test to prop or suspension about 4-6 weeks out.

As far as when to switch, it depends how fast you can drop weight and get into shape. This is what id do

test (long ester) 750mg week 1-13
deca 4-600mg 1-12
tbol 50-80mg 1-6

test (fast) 100mg ed 14-20
primo 400mg 9-20
tren ace 50mg eod 13-20
winny 50mg ed 15-20

use low dose of hcg throughout, but dont use it for pct until AFTER the contest, it could make you hold a little water.

 

[black sheep]

Test 750mg/week 1-10 (Long Ester- I would do Sust)
Deca 600mg/week 1-10
T-Bol 80mg ED 1-6

Test 350mg/week (100 eod of Prop) 11-20
Tren Ace 75mg ED 11-16
Winny 50mg ED Oral 15-20
Masteron 100mg EOD 15-20
Arimidex 1mg ed Week 1-20
DOstinex .5mg e3d Week 1-18


That will do the trick!

 

[RADAR]

Test 750mg/week 1-10 (Long Ester- I would do Sust)
Deca 600mg/week 1-10
T-Bol 80mg ED 1-6

Test 350mg/week (100 eod of Prop) 11-20
Tren Ace 75mg ED 11-16
Winny 50mg ED Oral 15-20
Masteron 100mg EOD 15-20
Arimidex 1mg ed Week 1-20
DOstinex .5mg e3d Week 1-18





That will do the trick!

Beat me to it, Like everone one says stop the Deca on Week 8
Then this will do nicely cutting!
Test 350mg/week (100 eod of Prop) 11-20
Tren Ace 75mg ED 11-16
Winny 50mg ED Oral 15-20
Masteron 100mg EOD 15-20
Arimidex 1mg ed Week 1-20
Dostinex .5mg e3d Week 1-18

RADAR

 

[bluehen]

Beat me to it, Like everone one says stop the Deca on Week 8
Then this will do nicely cutting!
Test 350mg/week (100 eod of Prop) 11-20
Tren Ace 75mg ED 11-16
Winny 50mg ED Oral 15-20
Masteron 100mg EOD 15-20
Arimidex 1mg ed Week 1-20
Dostinex .5mg e3d Week 1-18

RADAR

I don't know if RADAR agrees but Halos at 20 to 30 mg's a day weeks 16-20 will really help harden you up.

 

[RADAR]

If he controls his water come showtime the Tren & Masterdon should do an excellent job in that area, Not to say i don't agree ,its just too many compounds to sort thru if a problem develops.

RADAR

 

[bluehen]

If he controls his water come showtime the Tren & Masterdon should do an excellent job in that area, Not to say i don't agree ,its just too many compounds to sort thru if a problem develops.

RADAR

good point

 

[black sheep]

Beat me to it, Like everone one says stop the Deca on Week 8
Then this will do nicely cutting!
Test 350mg/week (100 eod of Prop) 11-20
Tren Ace 75mg ED 11-16
Winny 50mg ED Oral 15-20
Masteron 100mg EOD 15-20
Arimidex 1mg ed Week 1-20
Dostinex .5mg e3d Week 1-18

RADAR

Since you agree with my post can I have my Karma back LOL

 

[musclehealth]

Dam. Thats alot of gear. Gona cost me a pretty penny!

 

[RADAR]

Dam. Thats alot of gear. Gona cost me a pretty penny!

You could always up the tren to 125mgs Eod
Then Winny
Prop
Masterdon


If funds are a issue
RADAR

 

[musclehealth]

Ill prob go with mostly GTP products

 

[RADAR]

Ill prob go with mostly GTP products

Can't go wrong there ,thats all i use!


RADAR

 

[musclehealth]

Can't go wrong there ,thats all i use!


RADAR

As far as stacking more then one oral. Will I have a problem? Masteron IP tabs are priced right and winny tabs 50mg are priced good also. I am concerened about taking two orals at once? Anything I should be worrying about? Also...Tren Ace...expensive, any suggestions for a substitute for it?

 

[musclehealth]

What about AOP and IP brands?

 

[RADAR]

As far as stacking more then one oral. Will I have a problem? Masteron IP tabs are priced right and winny tabs 50mg are priced good also. I am concerened about taking two orals at once? Anything I should be worrying about? Also...Tren Ace...expensive, any suggestions for a substitute for it?

Lots of Canberry Extract,Water,& Milk thistle Or Tyler's and you're golden!

RADAR

 

[RADAR]

What about AOP and IP brands?

AOP Is excellent,the sad part it takes over a nonth for them to come thru.

IP=Junk!

RADAR

 

[musclehealth]

Beat me to it, Like everone one says stop the Deca on Week 8
Then this will do nicely cutting!
Test 350mg/week (100 eod of Prop) 11-20
Tren Ace 75mg ED 11-16
Winny 50mg ED Oral 15-20
Masteron 100mg EOD 15-20
Arimidex 1mg ed Week 1-20
Dostinex .5mg e3d Week 1-18

RADAR

Why should I drop the test from 750 to 350 when I start cutting?