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Prison Rape- A Real Problem

gtrcivic

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RAPE IN PRISON
by Scott L. Anderson

Prison rape. I can guarantee you that those two words are the first thing that popped into your head when you heard you were on the way to the slammer. There is no way to sugarcoat this issue. You may be raped when you go to prison. I am not trying to scare you. It is a serious, real issue. Here are some facts:

-It is estimated that there are over 300,000 instances of prison rape a year.
-196,000 are estimated to happen to men in prison
-123,000 are estimated to happen to men in county jail.
-40,000 are estimated to be committed against boys in either adult prisons or while in juvenile facilities or lock ups.
-5000 women are estimated to be raped in prison.

Remember that these are all estimates. Most rapes are not reported.

Sexual attacks in prison are considered rape when penetration occurs. It is estimated that inmates are approached with unwanted sexual advances over 80,000 times per day in the United States alone.

Keep in mind that many experts consider county and local jails to be more likely places for rapes than prisons. There is a reason for this. You are more likely to be raped while in prison if:

You are young.
You come from a middle-class background.
You are white.
You are not street smart or have no gang affiliations.
Physically you are of small stature.

By the time repeat or career criminals get to prison they have normally made the circuit through foster homes, juvenile lockups and reform schools where rape is very common. So by the time they actually make it to the big time they are well schooled in this fact of prison life and quite often they are the attackers not the attackees.

This guide is for the person who has never done any kind of time. Do not think that rape will only happen in prison. If you have to go to county jail prior to your trial and while awaiting transfer to prison, a sexual attack is very likely to occur there. This can all depend on the area you live in. If you are in a rural area with a small jail, of course the chances will drop. But if you are in a metro area, Los Angeles County, New York’s Rikers Island, Miami’s Dade, and Chicago’s Cook being among the worst, your chances of being raped are going to skyrocket.

Especially, and this is not a racist statement, if you are white. Consider that of the total number of estimated prison rapes:

-13% involved white inmates raping white inmates
-29% involved black inmates raping black inmates.
-56% involved black inmates raping white inmates.

This comes to a grand total of 85% of prison rapes being committed by blacks, with 69% of the victims being white. The rapes of white inmates are normally done by gangs of blacks and somewhat in the open so that other inmates, but not staff, can witness the attacks. The blacks involved are generally in the joint for crimes such as armed robbery or severe assault cases.

One of the reasons for this situation is that whites lack solidarity while in prison and unlike the population on the outside, are the minority on the inside.

Scenario #1. A white middle-class man, let’s say a car dealer, is picked up for sale of cocaine, and is locked into a communal cell with four black inmates, all whom have done substantial amounts of time in prison. The white man is of small stature and has no street smarts. The chances of him being raped:. Damn near 100%.

Scenario #2. Same situation only this time the white is a solid member of a biker gang that has ties to inside the prison walls. He himself has been in several times. Chances of rape in this situation: Practically zero. The black inmates are smart enough to know that they may be able to out muscle this man and rape him, but the long-term ramifications are not worth it. Without even talking to this man, the blacks’ years of experience in prison will give them the sense to leave him alone.

While I was an officer in Moose Lake/Willow River (Minnesota) prison I worked a unit that held two Native Americans, one black, one Asian, a younger white inmate, and an older seasoned inmate. When it finally came to the attention of the staff, it turned out that the young white inmate had been raped repeatedly over several months by the black and Indian inmates, but not by the Asian or the older inmate. It also turned out that no advances had ever been made toward either of those two. Note that the seasoned inmate did not join in on the rapes, but never tried to stop it either. That is just the way things are in prison. There is no brotherhood of man when you walk inside those gates.

There is a class system of three groups in prison involving prison sex.

Group #1: The predators. They are known as jockers, studs, wolves, and pitchers. These inmates will sniff out new victims and will almost always attack in groups. Of the three groups these are the inmates who consider themselves “men.” “Men” in prison have not ever been penetrated or raped; if this is done to them, they immediately lose this status. They never consider themselves homosexuals but some probably are and for their safety will never admit it, just as some of these men have been victims of sexual assault and will never admit it. A number of these inmates also don’t have much of a taste for rape, but do it to protect their own status so they themselves could be turned on.

Group #2: The jailhouse queens. These inmates actively carry on a female-like existence and will dress as femininely as they can within the regulations of the prison. There is a lower percentage of these inmates in prison and thus are cherished by the jockers. They are referred to in female terms and are called “her” or “she” by both prisoners and staff alike. Quite often these inmates will have somewhat of a permanent relationship with one of the stronger, established wolves, even though it is not uncommon for the wolf to lend his gal out to his buddies to pay off a debt or for some other reason. Other names used for queens are bitches, ladies, and whores. They will often refer to their assholes as “pussies.” I once had a queen tell me that she fucked like a woman, but fought like a man.

Group #3. The punks [GhostFaceKiller's group]. Also called fuck boys. These inmates are the younger, weaker, normally white inmates who have been “turned out” by the stronger inmates. They are normally assaulted within days of arrival and these attacks will keep up until they either get protection, are locked up in protective custody, or turn queen themselves. The queens normally look down on punks with disdain. Punks are down on the same prison level as child molesters. Often they are sold to other gangs. They have an extremely high suicide rate.

Suicide rates in prison are estimated to be 15.4 per 100,000 inmates in all the states averaged out, with the exception of California, which has an astronomical 179 per 100,000. Penologists believe that the number one cause of suicide in prison is rape, with AIDS and depression from being in prison being the two runner up reasons.

AIDS/HIV is six times the national average in prison. When inmates rape, they don’t wear condoms.

You can always spot a punk in prison. Often they shuffle around like mental patients and will have extremely poor hygiene in an attempt to stave off future attacks. Rarely will they alert staff to what is going on. I approached several of these inmates while I was an officer to offer them help and they never accepted.

How do first time inmates defend against rape? They will either pay for protection, join a gang, or they can be “sponsored” by a relative or friends before they even get there. But I have seen fish (rookie) inmates so big and fucking tough that no inmate even wanted to think about taking them on.

If it happens, it will most likely happen in a dorm or shower area. But anyplace will do if it is out of sight of the officers. My advice to you if you are not protected in some way and you are attacked is to FIGHT back as hard and as loud as you can. AIDS is a death sentence, so that’s the biggest reason. The second reason is once you are raped you are considered in prison circles to have lost your manhood. If you find out you are being singled out and do not have protection, I would also consider striking first against one of the main wolves, although return violence is sure to occur. The problem with this is that you are going to wind up in the hole with maybe some time added to your sentence and things may not have changed when you are released out of segregation.

If you are cornered and things aren’t going your way, some people think that a way to avoid being raped is to tell your attackers that you are HIV positive and have AIDS. This may work as a quick fix but it more than likely will also result in you being severely beaten if not killed. AIDS in prison is a very sensitive issue with both officers and inmates. Security staff aren’t even told who has AIDS, due to privacy rights issues.

Do Not Be Passive. Stand Your Ground.

If you are young, small, and white, your chances of being attacked are higher. If you are getting middle-aged, the chances will drop. Don’t even drop your guard though.

In a minimum facility there is a much smaller chance of rape as inmates don’t want to screw up chances of their release. In maximum joints, the chance is much higher because inmates have longer sentences and less to lose. In medium facilities always remember that a good share of your fellow inmates are former maximum inmates so the chance of rape is always there with them. County jails have a very high number of rapes reported.

Many officers that you are going to come in contact with think that most inmates are homosexuals and they deserve what is coming to them and they will often turn their backs when they feel a rape is being committed. Officers have been known to allow a rape to go on if they are working in a high-risk facility and think that doing so will help keep the stronger inmates in line. I can tell you for a fact that the number one worry of all corrections staff is that if there is a riot, they are going to get fucked in the ass, the men that is; the woman really have something to worry about.

An officer that I know who was working in the Atlanta federal penitentiary in 1987 during the Cuban riot there, told me that every hostage taken in that riot had been raped.

After you’ve been locked up for a while you are going to get horny. My advice to you is to masturbate. Alone.

If you decide to get your rocks off and pay some queen to let you screw her, you will not have protection. Remember the AIDS factor. Is it worth it? Even if you decide to just get a blowjob from one of them, you risk the chance of making her “Daddy” jealous and that can open another can of worms.

Soft-core porn magazines are available in most prisons. Check out the chicks, use your imagination, and jack off in your sock.

You are trying to survive the joint. Not live in it.
 
You are more likely to be raped while in prison if:
You are young.
You come from a middle-class background.
You are white.
You are not street smart or have no gang affiliations.
Physically you are of small stature.



Bullit, Decem... I sure hope you never get arrested.
 
1) that was pretty poorly written - what the fuck is that from?

2) PrisonRape is a good board name.

3) glad I'm not in prison
 
supernav said:
All of a sudden, a life of a crime sure has lost it's attractiveness. Ouch.

-= nav =-

I think if they totally stopped prison rape from ever happening, the crime rate would skyrocket. Its one of the biggest deterrents there is.
 
supernav said:
Oh shit. I don't want to go to "Federal POUND ME IN THE ASS Prison". (said with accent).

Quick, which movie was that!!! You all got 5 seconds!

-= nav =-

office space
 
Remember visiting the Va State Pen back in 12th grade for a Sociology "field trip"....after seeing how big those mofos in there were, i made sure i didnt' go down the path of crime....Maybe they should hold a Mr Convict/Olympia each year.. Some of those guys were big as shit.. Must be the "manjuice" they receive for their protein supplement. Cause bologne cheese sandwiches cant get you that big.
 
NoDaddyNo said:
1) that was pretty poorly written - what the fuck is that from?

2) PrisonRape is a good board name.

3) glad I'm not in prison

you would be raped the first night.they love young fat boys.:D
 
white guys on the bottom of the heap again. how is prison different than freedom? whites are allowed to be shit on outside and inside prison.
 
i dont know about that one.
i did some time and didnt see anybody fucked with...
and i was with hardcore fools too.
 
The article gives the impression that "asians" are less likely to be raped (albeit there was only one small example) in prison/jail. How true is this? As an Indian, would I have a good chance of being left alone? Not that it matters, because I'm tough as cheese and I'll fucking fight you right now, but I am curious. I'm almost 27, and if there's any chance of my starting a life of crime, I have to get moving soon.

By the way, I'm extremely handsome, so this may work against me. I have grown out my beard before, looking like an unkempt, somewhat wild terrorist-type. I don't know if this helps because it makes me slightly less attractive (which is almost impossible), or if it hurts because the US prison population doesn't take kindly to those who reek of America-hating, radical Islam (thugs can be patriots too, after all).
 
This is a BS article written by someone pretending to have a working experience in prison. It is NOT written by someone who actually worked in facilities. (That or he is a BS'er who is lying about his experiences.)

Prison rape does happen, but it is not nearly as common as TV and movies would like to depict it. As one seasoned vet of the prison system said,"Why rape somebody who will then turn around and stab you in the kidney in chow line. There are gay guys in here lined up to GIVE it away."

The stats in this article are total myth and do not match the numbers at the Buereu of Prisons.
 
SofaGeorge said:
This is a BS article written by someone pretending to have a working experience in prison. It is NOT written by someone who actually worked in facilities. (That or he is a BS'er who is lying about his experiences.)

Prison rape does happen, but it is not nearly as common as TV and movies would like to depict it. As one seasoned vet of the prison system said,"Why rape somebody who will then turn around and stab you in the kidney in chow line. There are gay guys in here lined up to GIVE it away."

The stats in this article are total myth and do not match the numbers at the Buereu of Prisons.


Dear Lord, I really hope so.. my little brother (17) is looking like he's going to be doing some time and this kind of article keeps me awake at nights worrying....
 
supernav said:
All of a sudden, a life of a crime sure has lost it's attractiveness. Ouch.

-= nav =-

not really. all it does is encourage gang membership for the white victims. As it said, the truly violent criminals are the ones doing the rapes. It wouldn't suprise me if most rape victims are in for less severe & less consistent crimes than their rapist. dont you remeber those white guys who killed Byrd? Their families said before prison they were different people than out. supposedly before prison they weren't racist, when they got out they were in a white gang. I tend to think prison rape had a hand in it. too bad nobody who encourages prison rape will ever be brought up on accessory charges for fostering an environment that encourages gang membership (gangs commit most violence) and race crimes, but perhaps they should.

besides we have a rule of law in america. the police cannot break the law to enforce it. encouraging a serial, major felony like serious battery & sexual assault to deter minor, one time felonies like drug manufacture is a violation of the rule of law.
 
SofaGeorge said:
This is a BS article written by someone pretending to have a working experience in prison. It is NOT written by someone who actually worked in facilities. (That or he is a BS'er who is lying about his experiences.)

Prison rape does happen, but it is not nearly as common as TV and movies would like to depict it. As one seasoned vet of the prison system said,"Why rape somebody who will then turn around and stab you in the kidney in chow line. There are gay guys in here lined up to GIVE it away."

The stats in this article are total myth and do not match the numbers at the Buereu of Prisons.

i think i remember you saying you were a guard once. SO how are you sure its not just going on somewhere you can't see it?

and what level prison was it? level 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6?
 
Would like to clarify that i'm not the one who wrote the article.

Well for one thing, when 2 of my friends got locked up several years ago in the DC Jail for gun charges(time with all the cop murders in DC), they didn't get raped while being in there for 3 months. But they did get have to give up their leather jackets during the initial lockup. Guess once word got around that my friends got caught with "Glocks" the brothers left them alone. What they saw more/less in there was feuding among blacks from different neighborhoods NE vs SE vs NW vs SW affliations and were pretty much left alone during their time in jail.
 
i would grow my facial hair out so much and try to look like a psycho path...... glad I am a big boyi would go in there and throw up a insane huge bench in the yard and maybe they would leave me out it:) i guess i would have to go with the skin head crowd with my blonde hair and blue eys
 
tiger88 said:
i guess i would have to go with the skin head crowd with my blonde hair and blue eys

yeah, that's what I would do to probably. although remember American History X? That guy got raped by his own gang. Oh well, it was his fault.
 
tiger88 said:
i would grow my facial hair out so much and try to look like a psycho path...... glad I am a big boyi would go in there and throw up a insane huge bench in the yard and maybe they would leave me out it:) i guess i would have to go with the skin head crowd with my blonde hair and blue eys

But you would have to bend over for the skin head gang, before you sign up for affiliation...

So bulk up and start being an asshole...
 
SofaGeorge said:
This is a BS article written by someone pretending to have a working experience in prison. It is NOT written by someone who actually worked in facilities. (That or he is a BS'er who is lying about his experiences.)

Prison rape does happen, but it is not nearly as common as TV and movies would like to depict it. As one seasoned vet of the prison system said,"Why rape somebody who will then turn around and stab you in the kidney in chow line. There are gay guys in here lined up to GIVE it away."

The stats in this article are total myth and do not match the numbers at the Buereu of Prisons.

yep exactly, my best friend was in med security for two yrs and he said some of the guys had been locked up for twenty years or more but that does'nt turn them queer (no offense AAP) but think about it are you gonna start raping people just cos your locked up?

he said being raped was'nt even something he worried about, but you did want to be carefull cos you realy don't know whats up with alot of the guys, they may have just got a letter from their wife filing for divorce or found out they lost their parole hearing and they might snap on the next guy they see
 
gtrcivic said:
Would like to clarify that i'm not the one who wrote the article.

Well for one thing, when 2 of my friends got locked up several years ago in the DC Jail for gun charges(time with all the cop murders in DC), they didn't get raped while being in there for 3 months. But they did get have to give up their leather jackets during the initial lockup. Guess once word got around that my friends got caught with "Glocks" the brothers left them alone. What they saw more/less in there was feuding among blacks from different neighborhoods NE vs SE vs NW vs SW affliations and were pretty much left alone during their time in jail.

I don't think it was because they got caught with glocks was the reason they did'nt get raped, considering they didnt have their glocks on them, more likely that the brothers were'nt interested in having homosexual relations with them

I don't think people change just because they get locked up, I know I'm not gonna let some dude suck me off just cos i'm in prison, people are gonna do the same as they did before they got locked up just like the blacks you talk about, they were fueding on the streets, now they are feuding in the joint
 
jackangel said:
As an Indian, ....


HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD on a second here.

This changes everything.
 
exactly. where the white men of America can serve there prison time in a safe, comfortable, non anal raping environment. I mean shit man, what if a 20 year old kid gets caught with AB and gets a prison sentence, the poor kid is in with murders and anal raping psycho gang banger. screw that. I'll go down in a hail of gun fire before I go to prison

anabolicmd said:


Preferably in the suburbs.
 
Sundance said:


But you would have to bend over for the skin head gang, before you sign up for affiliation...

So bulk up and start being an asshole...



they fuck u to get you into there gang in prsion??? they roll that way???
 
tiger88 said:
o ya one more thing i wouldnt do, i would speak zero english since my accent makes me sound kinda soft, i would speak only afikaan and swahili they migit scare the brothas.......i dunno i think the skin head is the only way for the white guys like me

Actually your accent or lack of English is a big turn on for those in charge with fucking up in the ass...

Watch out...Better fight to death..
 
o ya one more thing i wouldnt do, i would speak zero english since my accent makes me sound kinda soft, i would speak only afrikaan and swahili they migit scare the brothas.......i dunno i think the skin head is the only way for the white guys like me
 
velvett said:
Clearly they were all asking for it.

:eyes:



No one deserves to be sodomized. If our government is so intent on locking people up (which I support), then they need to provide a safe environment so people aren't raped by vicious blacks - who are likely hiv positive.
 
tiger88 said:
o ya one more thing i wouldnt do, i would speak zero english since my accent makes me sound kinda soft, i would speak only afikaan and swahili they migit scare the brothas.......i dunno i think the skin head is the only way for the white guys like me

Hey I just realized you were from SA. Afrikaans is a cool language, and if spoken hard and fast would be intimidating. So, are you Dutch or English?
 
anabolicmd said:


Hey I just realized you were from SA. Afrikaans is a cool language, and if spoken hard and fast would be intimidating. So, are you Dutch or English?


English....i live in the states i speak some dutch too...
 
tiger88 said:



English....i live in the states i speak some dutch too...

I went to school with a bunch of South Africans, I guess the English are a bit more modern and more likely to send their kids abroad. From what I got from them, the Dutchmen were pretty brute over there. Anyhow most of them spoke that clickety-clack bushman language, are you familiar with it?
 
anabolicmd said:


I went to school with a bunch of South Africans, I guess the English are a bit more modern and more likely to send their kids abroad. From what I got from them, the Dutchmen were pretty brute over there. Anyhow most of them spoke that clickety-clack bushman language, are you familiar with it?



yes i am very familar with the clickety click language. my father owned/managed a large mining operation and quite a few natives worked for him, and my father could speak the native languages to communicate with the natives. i worked with him so i learned to speak the langauges as well, i cant wirte them for shit just able to speak it very well. no african americans over here speak afrikaan or swahili....i say black guy with a picture of afrika on his shirt and i approached him and tried to speak afrikaan to him and didnt understand a damn thing
 
The clicky click language is spoke by the Xhosa tribe...lmfao.. It is pronounced "Click - hosa."


Are you a Voortrekker, tiger? Real shame what has happened to that country.
 
SofaGeorge said:
This is a BS article written by someone pretending to have a working experience in prison. It is NOT written by someone who actually worked in facilities. (That or he is a BS'er who is lying about his experiences.)

Prison rape does happen, but it is not nearly as common as TV and movies would like to depict it. As one seasoned vet of the prison system said,"Why rape somebody who will then turn around and stab you in the kidney in chow line. There are gay guys in here lined up to GIVE it away."

The stats in this article are total myth and do not match the numbers at the Buereu of Prisons.

I doubt the burea of prisons would report accurate stats even if they had them.
 
Chaucer said:

No one deserves to be sodomized. If our government is so intent on locking people up (which I support), then they need to provide a safe environment so people aren't raped by vicious blacks - who are likely hiv positive.


Oh, so in prison men that are raped should be felt sorry for - gee wonder why they are there in the first place.


Yet, on the outside women that get raped - asked for it.


:rolleyes:
 
no i am not a Voortrekker i like the country but usa is nicer :) the wild life and out doors blows what ever the USA has to offer.....i went to a national park i and didnt many things taht was a real "wow"
 
Lestat said:


I doubt the burea of prisons would report accurate stats even if they had them.

They don't have a choice. If someone tried to screw with the numbers somebody would blow the whistle. Besides, incidents of sexual assualt are pretty much a constant number per 100,000 inmates regardless of the facility.

Fights are common in prison. Getting your head cracked open with a pipe or getting stabbed is common. Getting raped isn't all that common. Prison rape does happen, but not remotely with the frequency that people are led to believe by the media.

You are much more likely to get your teeth stomped out with a size 12 shoe and then get kicked in the head 20 times than you are to be raped. (Not that this may be a preferable alternative to most of you.)

Sorry, guys, but the world doesn't want your cute little white butts as much as some of you think. :)
 
Well velvett,

Anybody that says raped women were asking for it, deserves to get a drain pipe shoved up their ignorant ass.
 
SofaGeorge said:


They don't have a choice. If someone tried to screw with the numbers somebody would blow the whistle. Besides, incidents of sexual assualt are pretty much a constant number per 100,000 inmates regardless of the facility.

Fights are common in prison. Getting your head cracked open with a pipe or getting stabbed is common. Getting raped isn't all that common. Prison rape does happen, but not remotely with the frequency that people are led to believe by the media.

You are much more likely to get your teeth stomped out with a size 12 shoe and then get kicked in the head 20 times than you are to be raped. (Not that this may be a preferable alternative to most of you.)

Sorry, guys, but the world doesn't want your cute little white butts as much as some of you think. :)

I respect ya man, and I don't want to get into an arguing match.

But I have a very close relative that works in a maximum security prison.

And basically the truest part of the article above was the fact that the prison guards really don't give a shit about who gets ass fucked... they know it sucks and no one deserves it.. but they figure that if ANYONE deserves it, its the shitbags that are locked up.

One thing that the media DOESN'T make a big deal of that goes on all the time is contraband. How do you think inmates get their drugs? There are guards that will bring in damn near anything. Many prison guards have ties back to the streets and are in some cases in AWE of some of the people that they guard. Most guards are legit, just as most cops are.. but it only takes a couple bad apples to really innundate the prison population with enough shit to cause a lot of trouble.

As far as rapes go, you are probably right, its not the daily occurance that people may think.. but it is frequent enough to be called common.

Many times you'll see guys giving head out of fear... they know that its a lot easier to suck a cock then to deal with the physical consquences for the next few YEARS.
 
I don't want to get into a pissing match here Lestat but lets think this over

if you were a prison guard and some kid is getting raped you would'nt do everything you could to stop it? what about after work? or how about in your own home? how could you live with yourself?

would you just say to yourself "he deserves it, he was out there selling dope and steeroids" most of the prison population is non-violent offenders because of "The War On Drugs"

How about if you were an inmate and some Kid was getting raped , you would just look the other way? even if the kid reminded you of your own son or nephew? not me, I'd be kicking some ass

I don't think people (inmates or staff) sudenly become animals once they walk through those gates

Don't you think these guys that are getting raped would be calling all their family and freinds and lawyers and filing all kinds of lawsuits claiming cruel and unusual punishment? I know you would have to damn near beat me to death before your getting any where near my ass

I dont believe Prison ass raping is as common as people believe I don't know about you lestat but I know for myself that if I ever get locked up I won't be raping the youngsters

and about the contaband and drugs, most of these guys are'nt the rich and famous so how are the going to pay for drugs? even if someone does get an ounce of dope in, whats he gonna do trade it for stamps or someones lunch?

for some reason people insist on believing this stuff , maybe because of all the movies

not a flame brother, just my thoughts
 
White boy, Im not at all an expert on prisons, but I do know a few guards, and let me tell you, only rookies get involved, try to help, or care about any inmates. Guards very quickly learn to ignore the brutality around them, and watch. They have their hands more than full just doing their jobs and keeping themselves and fellow guards safe. They are much more worried about getting stabbed with a shit-blood-urine soaked spear than they are about whos fucking who. Its sad, its brutal and inhumane, but thats how it is.
 
anabolicmd, what prison is that ? OZ maybe? jk

I'm no expert either

but I do know that if an inmate ever attempted to stab a guard with a stabbed with a shit-blood-urine soaked spear spear (aka attempted murder) they would never be getting out of prison again and would probly be doing the rest of their life in some type of supermax prison only coming out of the cell for an hour of of rec a week

your freinds are pulling your leg, a rookie would never be allowed in a situation like that, a goon squad would be called in, people that have been trained to deal with that type of event

if you want to believe it go ahead and knock yourself out but common sense will tell you that the violent people are going to be segragated, locked down, handcuffs and ankle bracletes any time they come out of their cell

think about it, can you imagine the guards sitting around on their breaks saying "that goddamn Bubba stabbed me again with a shit stained blood soaked spear, damn near got my good eye, wish we could do something about Bubba" lol,

the shit is not happening but people want to believe it and thats fine with me but it just reminds me of pro-wrestling yrs ago some guys just refused to believe it was all set-up
 
white boy said:
anabolicmd, what prison is that ? OZ maybe? jk

I'm no expert either

but I do know that if an inmate ever attempted to stab a guard with a stabbed with a shit-blood-urine soaked spear spear (aka attempted murder) they would never be getting out of prison again and would probly be doing the rest of their life in some type of supermax prison only coming out of the cell for an hour of of rec a week

your freinds are pulling your leg, a rookie would never be allowed in a situation like that, a goon squad would be called in, people that have been trained to deal with that type of event

if you want to believe it go ahead and knock yourself out but common sense will tell you that the violent people are going to be segragated, locked down, handcuffs and ankle bracletes any time they come out of their cell

think about it, can you imagine the guards sitting around on their breaks saying "that goddamn Bubba stabbed me again with a shit stained blood soaked spear, damn near got my good eye, wish we could do something about Bubba" lol,

the shit is not happening but people want to believe it and thats fine with me but it just reminds me of pro-wrestling yrs ago some guys just refused to believe it was all set-up

The dynamic between prison guards and innmates is unique.

You have to somehow convince yourself that these people are sub-human, inferior, or just evil.

Why?

You see them nearly every day for years and years. Some innmates are very smart, others charismatic.. some have families of their own... its easy to forget that they are there for a reason and that you are not, and never will be, "their friend".. its not like in the Green Mile where you are buddies with everyone on the cell block..
 
velvett said:



Oh, so in prison men that are raped should be felt sorry for - gee wonder why they are there in the first place.


Yet, on the outside women that get raped - asked for it.


:rolleyes:


WTF!?! I never said that. Most people aren't even in prison for rape. My point is this: If our government is going to lock people up with barbaric blacks, then they have a duty to ensure that people aren't being raped. Ideally, our prisons should be segregated.
 
I've been there, it's not as much of a problem as the author makes it seem.
 
Also, as far as the guards go there are good ones and bad ones. Where I was at, 75% of the guards were good people.
 
velvett said:



Oh, so in prison men that are raped should be felt sorry for - gee wonder why they are there in the first place.


Yet, on the outside women that get raped - asked for it.


:rolleyes:

I thought you were a little more intelligent than this, velv.
 
IF none of you ever been locked up for then quit running your fuckin socks !
 
velvett said:

Oh, so in prison men that are raped should be felt sorry for - gee wonder why they are there in the first place.


Yet, on the outside women that get raped - asked for it.


Good points.
I totally agree... maybe we should start a fund for male victims of rape?
 
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Rape has less to do with the sex act itslef but more of an act of control, intimidation and power and the hardcore inmates feel the need to display that with the new guys as an initiation of saying 'don't f**** with me because I'm a bad ass'. People like that should be shot on sight, the world would not suffer a loss!
 
Chaucer said:



Ideally, our prisons should be segregated.

Justice is blind sir. Right?
 
XBiker said:


I thought you were a little more intelligent than this, velv.

I was not aware that the utter lack of sympathy for criminals getting butt rumped makes one less intelligent.

It just makes you insensitive - to criminals.


Please get your insults correct.
:o
 
Bullit said:



Does that mean I can include your name on the Letterhead?


Yes, as long as we are not talking about criminals that are raped - we *cough* donate enough to their cause.
 
velvett said:


I was not aware that the utter lack of sympathy for criminals getting butt rumped makes one less intelligent.

It just makes you insensitive - to criminals.


Please get your insults correct.
:o

Rape is wrong, no matter if it's a man, woman, or child.

You are saying it's justified in jail (which could include any part of the penal system - adult (M/F), juvenille detention, or mental institutions).

No one asked you to be sympathetic towards the criminal themselves, but rape is rape.

Period.
 
I know many officers and prison guards. One worked in texas before he moved here and he said they caught someone EVERYDAY that was raping another inmate or a consensual sex act going on. You can be content to sit in your bubble and say that it isn't as bad as that story makes it seem it is JUST THAT BAD IF NOT WORSE!! There are many many more rapes occuring inside prison walls than outside of them. Those are just reported rapes, for all the ones that go reported you can bet your ass there are many many more that arn't.

Don't live a fantasy world people rape in prison is really common, if you choose to turn a blind eye then you just choose to. It is real and if you are white and under 200lbs and are not some bad ass motherfucker you better watch your ass because the homies will be trying to take a piece.
 
XBiker said:


Rape is wrong, no matter if it's a man, woman, or child.

You are saying it's justified in jail (which could include any part of the penal system - adult (M/F), juvenille detention, or mental institutions).

No one asked you to be sympathetic towards the criminal themselves, but rape is rape.

Period.

Never said it was justified nor did I mention juvenille detention, or mental institutions.

I also didn't say it was not rape.

What I did say was it that I lack any form of sympathy.




And another WTF?! is your problem lately towards me?
Why such an ass?
 
velvett said:


Never said it was justified nor did I mention juvenille detention, or mental institutions.

I also didn't say it was not rape.

What I did say was it that I lack any form of sympathy.




And another WTF?! is your problem lately towards me?
Why such an ass?

No problem at all. I like and respect you and generally your posts show that you are intelligent and all that.

However, when you say that a criminal getting raped in jail is just fine, I am gonna have to disagree with you.

Here's your statement:
Originally posted by velvett



Oh, so in prison men that are raped should be felt sorry for - gee wonder why they are there in the first place.


Yet, on the outside women that get raped - asked for it.

I am not going to bother reading in to that one, it can be taken in numerous ways.

I will stand with my point.

Rape = sexual assault, no matter what color, creed, or gender the victim.
 
SupraHero said:
I know many officers and prison guards. One worked in texas before he moved here and he said they caught someone EVERYDAY that was raping another inmate or a consensual sex act going on. You can be content to sit in your bubble and say that it isn't as bad as that story makes it seem it is JUST THAT BAD IF NOT WORSE!! There are many many more rapes occuring inside prison walls than outside of them. Those are just reported rapes, for all the ones that go reported you can bet your ass there are many many more that arn't.

Don't live a fantasy world people rape in prison is really common, if you choose to turn a blind eye then you just choose to. It is real and if you are white and under 200lbs and are not some bad ass motherfucker you better watch your ass because the homies will be trying to take a piece.

"trying to take a piece" sounds like you been watching to many movies bro
 
Prison rape is not as prevelant as movies like "OZ" will lead you to believe. In maximum security prisons you are locked down 23 hrs a day and segregated so rape there is highly unlikely. In county jail rape is even more unlikely given that most people in there haven't even been sentenced yet. This story is bullshit is doesn't reflect prison life at all. How do I know? I've been there....
 
Juice Authority said:
Prison rape is not as prevelant as movies like "OZ" will lead you to believe. In maximum security prisons you are locked down 23 hrs a day and segregated so rape there is highly unlikely. In county jail rape is even more unlikely given that most people in there haven't even been sentenced yet. This story is bullshit is doesn't reflect prison life at all. How do I know? I've been there....

Dude, your experience versus hundreds of thousands of sore, bleeding bungs, Im sorry but I have to go with the bungs.
 
anabolicmd said:


Dude, your experience versus hundreds of thousands of sore, bleeding bungs, Im sorry but I have to go with the bungs.

Statistical analysis on prison rapes is impossible to determine given the fact that if the person is actually raped the likelihood of him or her bringing that to the attention of the prison staff is slim to nil. That would result in that person be placed in protective custody, which is no different than solitary confinement. Plus, the penalty for being found guilty of prison rape would add a minimum of 10 years to your sentence. Most people doing serious time for violent offsenses are in maximum security and are segregated from general population. General population consists mostly of non-violent offenders.
 
Juice Authority said:


The penalty for being found guilty of prison rape would add a minimum of 10 years to your sentence.

General population consists mostly of non-violent offenders.

Sorry bro, you are dead wrong on these two facts. There are plenty of violent offenders in the GP. Also, where do you get the ten years for prison rape?
 
supernav said:
Yes but think about it. Guys are always horny. They'll never touch another woman for a LONG time (if not ever). Safe to say, majority of them are gonna wind up turning gay. Even if there's not much rape, i bet there's still plenty of man-o-man lovin'. Even between men who were probably not gay or even close to being gay at all when they came in.

-= nav =-

the rapes in prison are not about gay sex...it's about power

oh someone already said that...thats what I get for not reading the whole thread...
 
nikolai_bolkov said:


the rapes in prison are not about gay sex...it's about power

oh someone already said that...thats what I get for not reading the whole thread...

Its about getting off. Ive talked to guys whove banged dudes in prison. They just close their eyes and pretend its a girl.
 
anabolicmd said:


Its about getting off. Ive talked to guys whove banged dudes in prison. They just close their eyes and pretend its a girl.

I dunno about that. It's kind of hard to fuck another guy's hairy bunghole and pretend it's a nice juicy pussy. I think it's about the power as well unless you're a fag.
 
XBiker said:
Rape = sexual assault, no matter what color, creed, or gender the victim.

Like I said I have no sympathy and again I did not say it was not rape what I am implying is that a criminal has less value in my eyes.

And what if a rapist or child molester were to be raped in prison.
I understand they are less than popular with their colorful history.

Would that not be slightly ironic?


Would you still feel sorry for them?


If a murderer or rapist gets killed or raped in prison I see no loss.



Think of it this way - if a criminal gets raped in prison and actually gets out - perhaps he/she would be less likely to find their way back in.


Consider it motivation.



Then again, it's fine just not to agree.
 
velvett said:


Like I said I have no sympathy and again I did not say it was not rape what I am implying is that a criminal has less value in my eyes.

And what if a rapist or child molester were to be raped in prison.
I understand they are less than popular with their colorful history.

Would that not be slightly ironic?


Would you still feel sorry for them?


If a murderer or rapist gets killed or raped in prison I see no loss.



Think of it this way - if a criminal gets raped in prison and actually gets out - perhaps he/she would be less likely to find their way back in.


Consider it motivation.



Then again, it's fine just not to agree.

Just fine indeed.

Let's switch gears here, shall we?

Perhaps your father in a bout of greed decided to not be honest on his taxes!

Low and behold he is caught, tried, and convicted of tax evasion and is now a criminal.

Following your logic, he deserves a good ass raping while incarcerated, which in turn will motivate him to pay every last red cent to the IRS.

Call it "hard time" (pun intended)
 
XBiker said:


Just fine indeed.

Let's switch gears here, shall we?

Perhaps your father in a bout of greed decided to not be honest on his taxes!

Low and behold he is caught, tried, and convicted of tax evasion and is now a criminal.

Following your logic, he deserves a good ass raping while incarcerated, which in turn will motivate him to pay every last red cent to the IRS.

Call it "hard time" (pun intended)


LOL

Bad example for me.

First off that's something he wouldn't do.

But I'll humor you - let's say it's a boyfriend or friend.

You sow what you reap.

You took the chance you pay the crime.

My feeling on a criminals just won't be altered and it doesn't matter who that person is to me.

It's also a damn shame that more of the white business men crime offenders don't find the inside of a jail with all the money they steal from their clients.
 
velvett said:


Like I said I have no sympathy and again I did not say it was not rape what I am implying is that a criminal has less value in my eyes.

And what if a rapist or child molester were to be raped in prison.
I understand they are less than popular with their colorful history.

Would that not be slightly ironic?


Would you still feel sorry for them?


If a murderer or rapist gets killed or raped in prison I see no loss.



Think of it this way - if a criminal gets raped in prison and actually gets out - perhaps he/she would be less likely to find their way back in.


Consider it motivation.



Then again, it's fine just not to agree.
How about prostitutes ? They are de facto criminals so they deserve no sympathy? Interesting logic here. You seem to be approaching this from the "All men are rapists angle". I also think a serious distinction exists between rape and aggravated sexual assault , the latter being far more clear cut and not merely a matter of opinion or choice.
 
Agree that in maximum security prisons that an inmate can be in his cell for 23 hrs/day. But you still have an hour outside of your cell for showering, eating in the mess hall, and going to the rec yard. These are opportune times for rapes to occur.. Its not like you need a few hours , but a few minutes ??

Pretty sure if you ask inmates that are doing a long sentence, that they have one time or another been raped or attempted to be raped by another inmate....
 
Mandinka2 said:

How about prostitutes ? They are de facto criminals so they deserve no sympathy? Interesting logic here. You seem to be approaching this from the "All men are rapists angle". I also think a serious distinction exists between rape and aggravated sexual assault , the latter being far more clear cut and not merely a matter of opinion or choice.

Never said that, you're twisting the meaning of what I said.

I don't believe prostitutes to long periods of jail time, so I have no opinion as to that concept.

I am saying that I don't personally have any sympathy for criminals, period. I honest don't have any feeling towards the news of their rape, injury or murder. I am not judging right or wrong of the matter - I am stating that I don't care.

What I also stated previously is an observation of irony that men seem to get all bent out of shape and sympathetic when you hear about prision rape yet when on speaks of a woman getting raped many (not all) men like to say that the woman either asked for it, deserved it or in the case of Kobe are money hungery whores.
 
velvett said:
Like I said I have no sympathy and again I did not say it was not rape what I am implying is that a criminal has less value in my eyes.

A criminal has less value in your eyes??? lol. What a crock of shit that is! Who made you judge, jury and executioner??? The only difference between you and a criminal is that the criminal got caught unless of course you've never broken the law. :rolleyes:

Ever take a hit off a joint or drink under age?? Ever speed down the highway? Ever had anal sex? Sodomy is against the law too..
 
Juice Authority said:


A criminal has less value in your eyes??? lol. What a crock of shit that is! Who made you judge, jury and executioner??? The only difference between you and a criminal is that the criminal got caught unless of course you've never broken the law. :rolleyes:

Ever take a hit off a joint or drink under age?? Ever speed down the highway? Ever had anal sex? Sodomy is against the law too..


I don't need to be their judge - someone else has already made that judgment and placed them in jail.

Never smoked, never sold or purchased any recreational drug.

Speeding down the highway will not place me in jail unless there are other larger offenses on record.

Anal sex - no never - nor will I.

Underage sex - no I was 19 and a legal adult.

Sodomy? You've to be kidding, no.


I don't see how anyone would miss a murderer, child molester or rapist - in my opinion they are not deserving of life. (Again my opinion doesn't make it right or wrong.)

The only people I truly feel for are those that are unjustly accused and condemned - that is a loss and fortunately that does not happen often.
 
velvett said:
If a murderer or rapist gets killed or raped in prison I see no loss.
This is what I object to Velvett - it is not that u see lees value , it is that u see no value in their suffering. I merely pointed out that there are women who are criminals too and questioned - although you have yet to answer whether their rape has any value.

velvett said:

I don't believe prostitutes to long periods of jail time, so I have no opinion as to that concept.
I'm sorry, what does duration have to do with the matter , whether a criminal is in jail or otherwise does not alter the fact that the person is a criminal. And while we're at it , almost every steroid taker on this board is a criminal (although presumably we have some value :rolleyes: ).

velvett said:
What I also stated previously is an observation of irony that men seem to get all bent out of shape and sympathetic when you hear about prision rape yet when on speaks of a woman getting raped many (not all) men like to say that the woman either asked for it, deserved it or in the case of Kobe are money hungery whores.

I really feel that is a gross exaggeration , many/most men are apalled by rape, but Im often left wondering the following:
Which is the greater crime and why:
1. To be beaten senseless by baseball bat wielding thugs and left in a state requiring hospitalisation involving drip-feeding.
2. To be raped by a spouse/lover because you were tired/not in the mood.

And therein lies the problem with rape - Tyson was convicted "on balance" , with no visible traces of an assault , its very much a case of one person's word versus another. I think many men are bothered by the level of power this gives women - essentially they hold a legal sword above men , many men have had their lives destroyed by mere ACCUSATIONS of rape , and when their cases were acquitted no recourse for compensation exists.It is a gross inequity. That is why I feel that aggrevated sexual assault ought to be the cause celebre of feminists and not rape.
 
A friend of mine is a corrections officer as is her husband and the reality is less than 5% in men's facilities and less than 1% in women's facilities.

At her prison - women's facility in Danbury CT there had been one incident in the past 7 years.
 
velvett said:



I don't need to be their judge - someone else has already made that judgment and placed them in jail.

Never smoked, never sold or purchased any recreational drug.

Speeding down the highway will not place me in jail unless there are other larger offenses on record.

Anal sex - no never - nor will I.

Underage sex - no I was 19 and a legal adult.

Sodomy? You've to be kidding, no.


I don't see how anyone would miss a murderer, child molester or rapist - in my opinion they are not deserving of life. (Again my opinion doesn't make it right or wrong.)

The only people I truly feel for are those that are unjustly accused and condemned - that is a loss and fortunately that does not happen often.


You're taking rather extreme examples. You said,"A criminal has less value in your eyes." What the fuck is that supposed to mean exactly? A criminal is defined as one who breaks the law so by your statement you're saying that anyone who breaks the law has less value in your eyes. That is a rather arrogant, holier than Thou statement to make.
 
Mandinka2 said:

This is what I object to Velvett - it is not that u see lees value , it is that u see no value in their suffering. I merely pointed out that there are women who are criminals too and questioned - although you have yet to answer whether their rape has any value.


I'm sorry, what does duration have to do with the matter , whether a criminal is in jail or otherwise does not alter the fact that the person is a criminal. And while we're at it , almost every steroid taker on this board is a criminal (although presumably we have some value :rolleyes: ).



I really feel that is a gross exaggeration , many/most men are apalled by rape, but Im often left wondering the following:
Which is the greater crime and why:
1. To be beaten senseless by baseball bat wielding thugs and left in a state requiring hospitalisation involving drip-feeding.
2. To be raped by a spouse/lover because you were tired/not in the mood.

And therein lies the problem with rape - Tyson was convicted "on balance" , with no visible traces of an assault , its very much a case of one person's word versus another. I think many men are bothered by the level of power this gives women - essentially they hold a legal sword above men , many men have had their lives destroyed by mere ACCUSATIONS of rape , and when their cases were acquitted no recourse for compensation exists.It is a gross inequity. That is why I feel that aggrevated sexual assault ought to be the cause celebre of feminists and not rape.

It's not a man woman thing - I never stated that either - I stated criminals period (man or woman) - specifically rapist, murders and child molesters.

Duration does matter, how could one compare a night in jail and a 1, 5, 10 year - life sentence? You really can't can you?

I never said most men were not appalled by rape, I said many not all.

Regarding 1 or 2 - at first glance - I would say 1. If a spouse would force themselves upon another (man or woman - doesn't matter) I would find that most offensive. Yet, what would be mor offensive is the spouse that stays and accepts the abuse.

(What does any of this have to do with prision rape though???)

Tyson.
:rolleyes:

If you want to discuss the injustice towards men being wrongly acussed of rape - we'd need a different thread and I have to tell you - you would very surprise as to my views, they are not what you are suggesting.

many men have had their lives destroyed by mere ACCUSATIONS of rape , and when their cases were acquitted no recourse for compensation exists.It is a gross inequity

I feel for them - as I feel for women and men that have never spoken of being raped in fear of being judged.

So for those that remain silent and those that are wrongly accused there is some sort balance in the numbers with those numbers.

Again though that is a totally different thread.
 
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