Prison Lifting: For or Against?

[Johnny Cut]

Im for it, a busy prisioner will stay out of trouble...plus the whole 20 mins they get to work out/ day isnt really alot,......well thats what it is in the Maximum security system in the northeast

 

[supertech69]

I'm 100% for an eye for an eye! As brutal and grotesque as it may seem to some. It works in 3rd world countries. The crime & types of crimes committed are absolutely out of control in the US. I believe that extreme measures need to be taken. Actually what I truly believe is that this country is so far gone when it comes to crime, that we will never dig our way out of it.

So, for someone charged with a violent crime, should they be allowed to lift, hell no. For someone thrown in for say, tax evasion or busted for something like, I dunno..........receiving controlled substance via the mailman (sound familiar) I say absolutely but, even in that case it should be an earned priveledge. In any case, I am totally against a free fucking college education, cable TV & all that other bullshit. Why should I have to bust my ass 50hrs a week & be up to my ass in debt to get a degree then turn around & pay tax dollars for them to go, fuck that! Someone who, in most cases, has absolutely no respect for the soceity that provides their means of these comforts while in prison.

There, my $.02

 

[chanmanfoo]

I'm 100% for an eye for an eye! As brutal and grotesque as it may seem to some. It works in 3rd world countries. The crime & types of crimes committed are absolutely out of control in the US. I believe that extreme measures need to be taken. Actually what I truly believe is that this country is so far gone when it comes to crime, that we will never dig our way out of it.

So, for someone charged with a violent crime, should they be allowed to lift, hell no. For someone thrown in for say, tax evasion or busted for something like, I dunno..........receiving controlled substance via the mailman (sound familiar) I say absolutely but, even in that case it should be an earned priveledge. In any case, I am totally against a free fucking college education, cable TV & all that other bullshit. Why should I have to bust my ass 50hrs a week & be up to my ass in debt to get a degree then turn around & pay tax dollars for them to go, fuck that! Someone who, in most cases, has absolutely no respect for the soceity that provides their means of these comforts while in prison.

There, my $.02

the key word here is third world country. possibly we should start hacking off the hands of our shoplifters or staging a good ol public execution in the town square. why should the magnitude of ones crime decide the humanity of their punishment? are we not all humans? i am in no way lobbying for violent crime but i feel these sort of ideas were discredited long ago for good reason. at what point does this sort of "punishment" become more depraved than the original crime.
foo

 

[Paiddailey]

There are differant security in intstitutional settings, they range from high max. security decending to minimum security there is usually around 4 to 5 "levels" of security, one may because of a more minor crime be placed in a low security setting usually his (or her)first go-round, and another may begin in am high max (murder, repeat offender etc.) there are two other ways to increase or decreae your security housing, one way is to fuck up
(higher level) another way is to "program" (lower level)
in a min. sec. setting thier should be weights as an incentive, it gives the high level inmates something to "program"for and it give's the lower level people a great form of rehab, most people in the lower security levels are more prone to rehab than the more violent or repeat offender in the higher level who refuses to "program"...
I can tell you unequivically the main reason for weights being removed from certain states corrections dept.s is that because of the explosive growth of prisons and prison populations in the U.S.
over the past decade+ has called for a massive recruitment of correctional officers, a GREAT portion of which are women and smaller size men, and they are simply intimidated by a LARGE convict, so the C/O unions (who are massive political contributers for governers etc.)called for the removal of said weights...
That IS the bottom line, and soon there will be no weights in any prison in our great country, which by the way I disagree with...

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

The main cause for grief with the inmate I mentioned is the fact that he is a convicted murderer, in for life with no chance of parole. He has gotten magazine coverage as well as leaving the prison to compete as mentioned. You have to wonder how the family of the victim must feel seeing this guy competing in sports, getting recognition, etc. He is supposedly a "model prisoner" and has been in for 20+ years and I guess the argument could be made that for the safety of the guards, give this guy an outlet. Just hard to swallow you and I footing the bill for this guy to compete in a sport that some high school kids cannot afford to. (Greg "Beetle" Lowe is also sponsored by - given free powerlifting gear by — Titan, a supportive gear/belt maker)

 

[Paiddailey]

I completely agree w/you.
There are some who deserve nothing, and in my above scenario very few (if any) murderers would ever make a min. security setting.
And for the system to temporarily release a murderer for any reason is reprehensible, much less for recreational purposes...
I do, however, believe that weights could play a key role in rehabilitation and behavior modification, in a MINIMUM security setting...
This is a political / social issue that in certain circles has been a heated topic for quite a while, many disagree on the philosophy of prison rehab and prison activities.
We live in a society that is plagued w/violent crime, drug abuse, and fear to walk down the street at night.
As a result I think most people just kind of lump all people who commit any crime into one catagory, and most wan't them to be harshly punished, I feel this is largely just social anger manifest, it's an outlet for our general anger.
Our great country is in peril, on this I am sure you agree, and there is no clear solution on how to deal w/people in the system
My brother was murdered on new years eve 97", a random act of violence, they never caught who did, if they did I would want death, blood for blood, no more no less, on the other hand my house was burglurized a few yrs. back, they caught the kid who did it and he was all fucked up on crack, he was a neighbor's kid and I knew him, good kid man, not that this matters but he was a 16 year old white kid from a mid class neighborhood in a ca. beach city, it was tough to see the affect on him and his parents...
Well, anyway I guess it's just about variables...
Peace

 

[thelegacy]

forget it---throw away the key

 

[Bam Bam]

the key word here is third world country. possibly we should start hacking off the hands of our shoplifters or staging a good ol public execution in the town square. why should the magnitude of ones crime decide the humanity of their punishment? are we not all humans? i am in no way lobbying for violent crime but i feel these sort of ideas were discredited long ago for good reason. at what point does this sort of "punishment" become more depraved than the original crime.
foo

No, murderers, rapists and child molesters are not human. And, yes, maybe if we starting de-balling molesters and rapists, lynching murderers and cutting off the hands of thiefs, there would be less crime in America. Then, I wouldn't worry so much everytime my sister gets on the highway at night with her 3 and 5 year old daughters , or I wouldn't worry about my mother pulling up at a not so well lit conveinence store at 2 in the morning. Criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens in this country. And let me say that you have the right to your opinion and even though I respect it, I don't understand it. Now, let me clarify what I said, non violent criminals should be allowed certain privilages like lifting weights and I would even go so far as to sy that I wouldn't mind if they were allowed to leave and compete once and while if I thought it have them some hope and something to work towards other than crime. But under no circumstances, should violent criminals be allowed any such luxeries ESPECIALLY being let out to go compete and seek glory. BamBam

 

[jasonstrong]

I am for it based on personal experience I judged a powerlifting contest at a prison with a friend and the prisoners that lifted were the most well behaved for the most part...lifting is a privlege and any violations of the rules you lose the time for it they only allowed these guys 3 days a week and not a whole lot of time but there were some amazing physiques in there guys benching 5-600 and squatting and deading 800 off of that rotten food....let em lift it might curb the violence...no leaving site to compete I don't know..sort of like a mini work release...?

 

[halfaclue]

No, murderers, rapists and child molesters are not human. And, yes, maybe if we starting de-balling molesters and rapists, lynching murderers and cutting off the hands of thiefs, there would be less crime in America. Then, I wouldn't worry so much everytime my sister gets on the highway at night with her 3 and 5 year old daughters , or I wouldn't worry about my mother pulling up at a not so well lit conveinence store at 2 in the morning. Criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens in this country. And let me say that you have the right to your opinion and even though I respect it, I don't understand it. Now, let me clarify what I said, non violent criminals should be allowed certain privilages like lifting weights and I would even go so far as to sy that I wouldn't mind if they were allowed to leave and compete once and while if I thought it have them some hope and something to work towards other than crime. But under no circumstances, should violent criminals be allowed any such luxeries ESPECIALLY being let out to go compete and seek glory. BamBam

Right on! Breaking a law is one thing, violating a person and or their rights is another. You want to rape or molest children then lop it off. You want to kill people then put my finger on the switch because I won't think twice. Would I say I could kill a rapist...probably not unless it was someone I knew who was the victum. But a murderer, I'd stand in line for the oppertunity.