no i totally understand what you guys are saying, but i just thnk you have me all wrong. i haven't ballooned out of shape in the slightest. i've just put on a bit of bodyfat. physiques are often an up and down thing by times. regardless of what you guys say, i'll have this stuff in a few days and i'll be starting it, so i'm just looking for some advice in regards to proper dosing and such. i think i've got the right dosage amounts so i'm just looking for verification. also i know what to take for pct, i'm just wondering if nolva is enough. since primo and var are DHT they don't convert to estrogen so simply nolva should suffice? this site has a gay rule that doesn't allow you to post links or photos til you've had 25 posts...which i don't have yet. so you can look up my bodyspace page, my user name as joshleb.