primo help!!

[hellraiser2]

On my bf's login....I need some help from you experienced ladies! I have done two aas cycles so far, one just anavar (5mgs per day) and one anavar/primobolan (50-75mgs primo/week, 5 mg anavar/day). No probs with the first cycle, but the second time around I had sort of a "raspy" voice, clit swelling, and more hair loss than normal. The hair loss freaks me out, I have no desire to sacrifice my hair for muscle lol. But I DID love the results I got from the primo, I was much harder and tighter.
Question is this: is there anything that is comparable to primobolan that I can use with less risk of hair loss? The other sides I can deal with, they went away as soon as I stopped. Someone in one of these threads said good stuff about nandrolone phenylpropionate????

 

[Bikini Mod]

On my bf's login....I need some help from you experienced ladies! I have done two anabolic androgenic steroids cycles so far, one just anavar (5mgs per day) and one anavar/primobolan (50-75mgs Primobolan - methenolone - /week, 5 mg anavar/day). No probs with the first cycle, but the second time around I had sort of a "raspy" voice, clit swelling, and more hair loss than normal. The hair loss freaks me out, I have no desire to sacrifice my hair for muscle lol. But I DID love the results I got from the Primobolan - methenolone - , I was much harder and tighter.
Question is this: is there anything that is comparable to primobolan that I can use with less risk of hair loss? The other sides I can deal with, they went away as soon as I stopped. Someone in one of these threads said good stuff about nandrolone phenylpropionate????

Well if you can deal with the sides then have you considered deca durabolin? Some people hold water with it but it is my understanding that even small doses will yield great strength, hardness gains also help spare joints.

Winstrol is called "the snake bite" because some women have barely any sides while others get them BAD. Water based so if you stop a cycle because of sides you can mitigate the risk of permanence.

Test is another anabolic that women either love or hate. Both Deca and Test are oil based though so you have to be VERY CAREFUL with dosages and duration of cycle.

Equipoise is also another agent that is superior for strength and hardness, but also oil-based.

My knowledge of this topic is admittedly limited but it is my understanding that very low dose, long cycles is the way to go for women who choose this route. Risk of sides is mitigated this way and better chance to put on longterm muscle-mass gains.

 

[Tatyana]

If your hair falls out with Primo, then Winstrol may not be the drug for you, as this is notorious for hair loss, brittle nails.

Deca for a woman? Not so sure about that.

Can you get your hands on a copy of Anabolics 200_ by William Llewellyn?

He has great steroid profiles on all the drugs, which ones are more androgenic and which are recommended for women.

Anthony Roberts also has a lot of steroid profiles on line.

I would check a few more threads in this forum, I have posted something by a woman called Amazon Doll, and she has listed the ways to minimise virilisation for women.

One thing she has said, is that there are ALWAYS sides for women, you need to know what you can live with, and each cycle you do will just be that next little bit of virilisation.

I am a nattie BBer, and I do think that periodization of training and clever diet manipulation can result in awesome results for women.

(And my arms are bigger/same size than quite a few of the other girlie BBers I know who have been on quite a few cycles )

 

[hellraiser2]

thanks for the advice, bikinimom and tatyana. And you are a great inspiration, tatyana, with your incredible body! I have followed your journal and you kick some serious ass at the gym
If there's anyone out there with experience using deca or injectables other than primo, let me know how it went!

 

[Bikini Mod]

thanks for the advice, bikinimom and tatyana. And you are a great inspiration, tatyana, with your incredible body! I have followed your journal and you kick some serious ass at the gym
If there's anyone out there with experience using Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - or injectables other than Primobolan - methenolone - , let me know how it went!

I have known several competitors that LOVED deca-durabolin. Yes, there were sides, but the ladies were very satisfied with the end result.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I would never recommend Decca for a man because the progesterone kills libido, but in a women it shouldn't be as much of a problem. It is VERY bloating though, not at all like Primmo while on, but if you can shed the water, the results are similar in that it's not very androgenic.

But water can be lost. Wearing a sweat suit is one way and this is another: http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=919&cat=0&page=1

 

[Sassy69]

When you say you lost "more hair than normal" -- what is "normal"? Anything stronger than anavar has the potential side to make you lose hair - its an effect of DHT -- male pattern balding. Primo and winstrol are notorious for hair loss as well as the raspy voice (similar to a young boys voice changing - same effect), clit swelling, acne, etc - the amount, as w/ any of those drugs and any of their sides, will be dependent on the person's personal body chemsitry. Any of those other drugs will potentially cause hair loss as well. These are just the part of playing w/ male hormones that you have to decide if you are willing to bear for the results you want or not.

Anything that does any amount of conversion to estrogen can cause water retention / bloating - I'm not sure I'd recommend using something like Nelson's water cutting stuff - the reason is that if you are running a cycle of any duration (and things like primo & EQ need a longer cycle on the order of at least 6 -8 weeks), stuff like OTC natural diuretics are intended to be run to cut water for a specific date - i.e. a very short period of time and then come off them. I'm not sure I"d recommend running something like that for 6-8 weeks. Again, these are the sides that you can expect to encounter if you decide it is appropriate to run the more aggressive steroids to get results.

If you so choose to run another cycle you can do a var cycle at a higher dose than 5 mg - easy to up to 10 - 15 mg - start at 5 mg ED for 2 weeks (to ensure its actually var, etc.) and the up to 10 mg ED and could move up to 15 mg ED if you felt you wanted to see how more will work. Note though that stepping up the dose vs jumping it up will help you determine what is sufficient (i.e more is not better - better is to find the dose that works best for you w/ sides that are acceptable).

 

[Nelson Montana]

Anything that does any amount of conversion to estrogen can cause water retention / bloating - I'm not sure I'd recommend using something like Nelson's water cutting stuff - the reason is that if you are running a cycle of any duration (and things like Primobolan - methenolone - & Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - need a longer cycle on the order of at least 6 -8 weeks), stuff like OTC natural diuretics are intended to be run to cut water for a specific date - i.e. a very short period of time and then come off them.

Not really. You're thinking of chemical diuretics. Herbal diuretics can be used more "long term." They aren't so harsh that they "force" urination, more like they "stimulate" it. In fact, it's actually healthy for the urinary system and works as a kidney tonic. And you never have to worry about overdosing and being left dehydrated.

Again, we're talkin about holding a little water. With a mild diuretic and some sweating (be it from training or a suana) you can get rid of it easily.

It's a bit of a misconception to say Primmo is dihydrotestosterone based, it's actually DHB based, so it's less androgenic than Winstrol or Proviron -- both of which create a very "hard" look but will exasperate hair loss, but either way it shouldn't be much of a concern for a woman since there should be enough estrogen to counteract it. There may be some other factors involed in the hairloss. Primmo is usually a good choice for women with varr a close second, though varr has more health risks. It's liver toxic and raises LDL, but again, at a "female dosage" it shouldn't be too bad.

 

[Sassy69]

Depending on goals, women tend to be more concerned about the hairloss which, as the poster notes, is fairly dramatic w/ primo. The raspy voice and all the other harsher sides are much more prominent w/ primo - on that level, no comparison to var. None at all.

For hair loss you can reduce the impact by including 1% nizoral shampoo in your regimen. As w/ most compounds, once the stuff clears your body (see steroid detection times) the sides usually go away.

 

[slat1]

I know a few ladies that loved var and primo either together or seperate.
They didn't like the sides though.
They wound up having their diets done by Beverly International and now look better then ever and they don't use any AAS.
Its all diet!