Primo experts....please read.

[Smokescreen]

Why is Primo so-called the best drug for muscle retention during calorie restricted diets? How is that? What is the logic behind that? Wouldn't ANY steroid do the same thing like Primo?

And if anything...don't you think that an androgenic steroid such as Test, Winny and especially Tren would the same? If not a better job at retaining muscle during a calorie restricted diet?

 

[Indy]

Why is Primo so-called the best drug for muscle retention during calorie restricted diets? How is that? What is the logic behind that? Wouldn't ANY steroid do the same thing like Primo?

And if anything...don't you think that an androgenic steroid such as Test, Winny and especially Tren would the same? If not a better job at retaining muscle during a calorie restricted diet?

The reason this is always said is that Anabolic Steroids require proper calorie intake in order to grow, correct ? Many of them even say on the pharmacy box, "when taken in accordance with proper diet and nutrition". Primo on the other hand can remain in an Anabolic state without the same restrictions on calories as say Deca would be. Primo is MUCH more tolerable to a flexible or lower calorie diet in where you should not only retain your muscle, but even gain a small amount while cutting. The more androgenic's usually just let you retain most of your mass while cutting. Primo is also liked in that fashion cause as you are watching your calories it's very good at giving that extra hard appearance much like folks use proviron for, year around. I am quite familiar with Primo, use it alot, but I cannot tell you WHY, CHEMICALLY it does better than another in a calorie deficit, I have never seen that documented. So I hope this helps, that's the reasoning behind it, but not the scientific proof, besides I'm not a chemist

 

[Makavelli]

Primo isn't the best drug to use in a caloric deficit...tren is. Tren causes the greatest degree of repartitioning. Which is why they give it to cows. They want heavy and lean cows. Not heavy and fat cows.

 

[Smokescreen]

Ok...so Tren or Primo? Which is better at retaining muscle during a calorie restricted diet? Seems to me like Tren is! Very anabolic and extremely androgenic.

 

[Indy]

Primo isn't the best drug to use in a caloric deficit...tren is. Tren causes the greatest degree of repartitioning. Which is why they give it to cows. They want heavy and lean cows. Not heavy and fat cows.

I just pulled 3 documents, that all state that Primo is the ONLY steriod that remains anabolic while in a calorie deficit state. I have never cut with tren so I cannot speak from experiance on that, but I have cut with Primo, and I am cutting with primo now. Personally from what I gather in alot of documentation is that you can take advantage of much larger doses each week without the sides of harsher chemicals, and those larger doses are what's giving you the benefits of adding on top of cutting while in deficit.

 

[Indy]

Primo isn't the best drug to use in a caloric deficit...tren is. Tren causes the greatest degree of repartitioning. Which is why they give it to cows. They want heavy and lean cows. Not heavy and fat cows.

That's a good point. But I am not a cow, I am a human, and maybe that's why "human grade" gear may react differently than vet grade ?? Food for thought.

 

[Makavelli]

That's a good point. But I am not a cow, I am a human, and maybe that's why "human grade" gear may react differently than vet grade ?? Food for thought.

Well genius, here's some more food for thought. Vet test is the same molecule as human test and acts the same in the body. So therefore, tren will and does act the same in a human as it does in animals...

 

[Bruce]

if you read about anavar it is supposed to give gains on a low calorie diet, furthermore it actually has been known to suppress the appetite. i eat whatever i can though, so don't know from experience

 

[Indy]

Well genius, here's some more food for thought. Vet test is the same molecule as human test and acts the same in the body. So therefore, tren will and does act the same in a human as it does in animals...

I disagree with that, I have read many tests that show how chemicals react differently in animals than in humans,, I am not trying to be a genius, I was just keeping the thread going for all to learn, no need to go that direction !

 

[Mr_MAX]

Primo isn't the best drug to use in a caloric deficit...tren is. Tren causes the greatest degree of repartitioning. Which is why they give it to cows. They want heavy and lean cows. Not heavy and fat cows.

I think the most popular or a leat where i am from.. are
Synovex H: contains..200 mg testosterone propionate and 20 mg estradiol benzoate

RALGRO: contains Zeranol (1x = 36 mg Zeranol), a derivative of the mycotoxin Zearalenon, and shows strong
estrogenic and anabolic effects

not that i disagree with the Tren idea... just the resoning ...
i dont think they care if the cattle are lean...

 

[Makavelli]

I think the most popular or a leat where i am from.. are
Synovex H: contains..200 mg testosterone propionate and 20 mg estradiol benzoate

RALGRO: contains Zeranol (1x = 36 mg Zeranol), a derivative of the mycotoxin Zearalenon, and shows strong
estrogenic and anabolic effects

not that i disagree with the Tren idea... just the resoning ...
i dont think they care if the cattle are lean...

They do care if they're lean. It's more money in their pocket. Why do you think they give it to them. Believe what you will guys...I'll continue to use tren while dieting and gain LBM, while losing fat.

 

[Dial_tone]

Primo isn't the best drug to use in a caloric deficit...tren is. Tren causes the greatest degree of repartitioning. Which is why they give it to cows. They want heavy and lean cows. Not heavy and fat cows.

When was the last time you heard of a rancher putting a cow on a diet? They sell them by the lb....cows are never on a calorie deficit? What do they do? They eat, shit and sleep.

 

[Mr_MAX]

They do care if they're lean. It's more money in their pocket. Why do you think they give it to them. Believe what you will guys...I'll continue to use tren while dieting and gain LBM, while losing fat.

i definitly agree with the tren...

 

[Makavelli]

When was the last time you heard of a rancher putting a cow on a diet? They sell them by the lb....cows are never on a calorie deficit? What do they do? They eat, shit and sleep.

Dial Tone, bor, that's not the point. They obvioulsy don't put them on a diet, but they use fina because it's known to reduce fat and increase muscle. Otherwise, why not just use test?

 

[benevolent anarchist]

I wish people would stop referring to trenbolone as veterinary gear. And I'm not calling you out specifically Indy. This message board and others are littered with similar type statements. Parabolin is trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate was produced by Negma France and was specifically designed for human use. Esters may vary but the compound trenbolone is identical.

 

[Mr_MAX]

Dial Tone, bor, that's not the point. They obvioulsy don't put them on a diet, but they use fina because it's known to reduce fat and increase muscle. Otherwise, why not just use test?

Synovex H: contains..200 mg testosterone propionate and 20 mg estradiol benzoate

they do.. and they even add in estradiol.. (estrogen)

 

[monkey arms]

They do care if they're lean. It's more money in their pocket. Why do you think they give it to them. Believe what you will guys...I'll continue to use tren while dieting and gain LBM, while losing fat.

uhhh last time I checked beef was sold by the pound not by Lean Body Weight.

But I know that Tren is one hell of a cutter, and yes I did gain muscle on a cal restricted diet.

 

[Smokescreen]

From what you bros say....seems like Tren is the king here. Primo comes in 2nd place.

 

[flex2win]

From what you bros say....seems like Tren is the king here. Primo comes in 2nd place.

But then again, we haven't heard from Satch on this matter yet either..

 

[Smokescreen]

But then again, we haven't heard from Satch on this matter yet either..

Gee! I wonder what he's going to say is better? Hmmmmmm

 

[flex2win]

Gee! I wonder what he's going to say is better? Hmmmmmm

You gotta assume he's gonna chime in on this, he's busy watching the tournaments right now I bet..

 

[Guvna]

I just pulled 3 documents, that all state that Primo is the ONLY steriod that remains anabolic while in a calorie deficit state.

considering there is really no studies on tren, I dont see how these "documents" could be anything but speculation.


however, why dont you post them up..

 

[Indy]

Gee! I wonder what he's going to say is better? Hmmmmmm

Carth, have you tried a primo cycle yet ??? Just curious and maybe we will see more, if you are going to hit the tren and Satch hitting the primo, july might paint a new picture for all of us.....Satch is out of pocket right now, but he'll be back shortly to start chiming in.

 

[Outtlaw]

Carth, have you tried a primo cycle yet ??? Just curious and maybe we will see more, if you are going to hit the tren and Satch hitting the primo, july might paint a new picture for all of us.....Satch is out of pocket right now, but he'll be back shortly to start chiming in.

Well I've tried primo cycles before, and not on calorie restricted diets either. Now maybe all you guys respond much better to primo than I do, but 4-500mg/wk of primo did minimally to almost nothing for me when it came to gains. If I used 4-500mg/wk of tren you can bet that I will gain more than if I ran the same amount of primo.

Most people I see posting their primo cycles and bragging about how magical the gains are are running it at 800-1000+mg/wk, which is what you pretty much have to do if you want to make meaningfull gains on it.

 

[Smokescreen]

Carth, have you tried a primo cycle yet ??? Just curious and maybe we will see more, if you are going to hit the tren and Satch hitting the primo, july might paint a new picture for all of us.....Satch is out of pocket right now, but he'll be back shortly to start chiming in.

I did Primo many years ago. But I only did it at 300mgs per week with 25mgs of Anavar. I really didn't like it all. I lost too much size and strength.

 

[benny1970]

My understanding is that the benefit of primo over tren is the lack of sides (limp dick?) with primo. If you don't care about that, then maybe tren is your best choice...

 

[Smokescreen]

My understanding is that the benefit of primo over tren is the lack of sides (limp dick?) with primo. If you don't care about that, then maybe tren is your best choice...

Primo with Proviron....problem solved!

 

[cornfish]

My view was with Primo, is that you will keep more of the LBM gains that you made. I'm trying like crazy to find the reference material i read that in, but for now just treat it like my impression or viewpoint until i can get the sources to post up.

I'm very unsure of Tren, as I haven't looked into it personally, but I was almost positive the main benefit of Primo was that you kept a larger portion of your gains over most any other AAS. So the difference i see if they can both be sufficient in this role, but with Primo you may not see the explosive growth that you get with others, but should have a better retention.

I hope this makes sense, but if it doesn't, remember Corn hasn't had his coffee yet

 

[Smokescreen]

My view was with Primo, is that you will keep more of the LBM gains that you made. I'm trying like crazy to find the reference material i read that in, but for now just treat it like my impression or viewpoint until i can get the sources to post up.

I'm very unsure of Tren, as I haven't looked into it personally, but I was almost positive the main benefit of Primo was that you kept a larger portion of your gains over most any other AAS. So the difference i see if they can both be sufficient in this role, but with Primo you may not see the explosive growth that you get with others, but should have a better retention.

I hope this makes sense, but if it doesn't, remember Corn hasn't had his coffee yet

Looks like this is never going to be answered. LOL

 

[cornfish]

we need satch! Wealth of primo knowledge (good and bad) right there

 

[psychedout]

I'm not sure the backing behind it, but there is likely more research on primo because it is human grade -- there is virtually no scientific research on tren.

I don't like tren. Hairloss, irratibility, and a shut down from hell (lost most of the results I got). I would take primo anyday over tren, even if it not as much of an anti-catabolic.

 

[Makavelli]

I wish people would stop referring to trenbolone as veterinary gear. And I'm not calling you out specifically Indy. This message board and others are littered with similar type statements. Parabolin is trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate was produced by Negma France and was specifically designed for human use. Esters may vary but the compound trenbolone is identical.

Thank you...

 

[Indy]

I did Primo many years ago. But I only did it at 300mgs per week with 25mgs of Anavar. I really didn't like it all. I lost too much size and strength.

Well this time around I am at 1 gram a week of Primo and 100mg/day of var, so it shoulnd't take long to let ya know how the larger doses work. At least I am speaking from experiance, trial and error, and trusted sources documentation, we are still getting to many "opinions" in this thread, mostly from people that have not tried both it sounds like. I will keep you updated on this primo cutter cycle, then I am going to to a tren cycle early summer, I cant argue that side well so I figured I would give it a go.

 

[Indy]

My view was with Primo, is that you will keep more of the LBM gains that you made. I'm trying like crazy to find the reference material i read that in, but for now just treat it like my impression or viewpoint until i can get the sources to post up.

I'm very unsure of Tren, as I haven't looked into it personally, but I was almost positive the main benefit of Primo was that you kept a larger portion of your gains over most any other AAS. So the difference i see if they can both be sufficient in this role, but with Primo you may not see the explosive growth that you get with others, but should have a better retention.

I hope this makes sense, but if it doesn't, remember Corn hasn't had his coffee yet

You remember correctly, primo gains are slower but retained after pct, most all drug profiles state that as well for primo

 

[LVTitan]

i havent used tren, so i cant speak for it. but i am on a primo cycle right now, and my diet is suffering due to my work schedule, i'm not getting near the calories i usually do on a bulker,and i am still putting on a respectable amount of muscle. almost 10lbs up and i've only been on for 3 weeks at 400mg/week, i am really noticing a difference, much more than i was expecting, since i wasnt really expecting much from a primo bulker. i gotta say i love this shit, even though the shots are crippling me.

 

[satchboogie]

facts:

tren- weak anabolic, the ultimate angrogen

so tren cant be used alone.
it needs test.. it needs dostinex.
and it leads to some nasty sides in few users.

 

[Excidium28]

My understanding is that the benefit of primo over tren is the lack of sides (limp dick?) with primo. If you don't care about that, then maybe tren is your best choice...

Im in 4th week with 700mg primo and 80mg var.... no limpy here!

 

[thundercross]

Never did Primo or anavar, but tren is quite good regarding muscle hardness and and it still helps shed a bit of fat. Too many shots in the butt make it a bit unconfortable for me though.

 

[Smokescreen]

facts:

tren- weak anabolic, the ultimate angrogen

so tren cant be used alone.
it needs test.. it needs dostinex.
and it leads to some nasty sides in few users.

Weak Anabolic??!!! WTF?? How is that? Last year all I used was Tren at 100mgs per day for about 3 months. That along with my 5mgs of Androgel HRT per day. And Dostinex with 50mgs of Proviron. I was able to eat 6 meals a day. But I ate very,very little calories...and carbs. I think the most carbs I got each day was around 150. All of it low glycemic. And I gained was 15lbs of LBM in that time! So how can you say it is a weak anabolic?

 

[gymratforlife]

Only primo Ive done was fake.I have tried many many kinds of tren from homebrews to UG lab to vet grade and I can tell you its bad ass shit.Not many sides from it anymore but every1 is different.From what I know Id rather spend 1/4 of the price and homebrew the tren and I know what I will be getting.

 

[searay]

primo/masteron or proviron for cutting. tren has a simular moleculor structure to deca so you do need to eat to get the most out of tren. BUT for those who have used tren you know the shit burns fat. so my 2ccs would be cut up with primo and then switch to tren.

 

[Excidium28]

Weak Anabolic??!!! WTF?? How is that? Last year all I used was Tren at 100mgs per day for about 3 months. That along with my 5mgs of Androgel HRT per day. And Dostinex with 50mgs of Proviron. I was able to eat 6 meals a day. But I ate very,very little calories...and carbs. I think the most carbs I got each day was around 150. All of it low glycemic. And I gained was 15lbs of LBM in that time! So how can you say it is a weak anabolic?

Were u able to keep the gains off tren? size, strenghts, bf???

 

[Guvna]

considering there is really no studies on tren, I dont see how these "documents" could be anything but speculation.


however, why dont you post them up..

??? How about it indy?

 

[Tux]

Haha, and the boogiemonster misses one! Tren is a strong androgen AND a strong anabolic. It's higher anabolically than primo and MUCH MUCH higher androgenically. I simply cannot see how primo can compare with tren on an equivalent mg dosage. I won't say this for sure, as I've never used primo myself, but I've seen several friends take it, and none had results as good as equivalent or lesser amounts of tren. Tren is simply the stronger drug hands down. I don't believe it's any harder to maintain muscle gains made on tren either. If you're above your genetic limit, and you come off, you'll lose some muscle no matter what you used to gain it. As long as you keep training, keep your cals and protein up, you should maintain the same amount of muscle irregardless of whether you gained it from tren or primo, it's not like your body can somehow tell the difference in HOW you gained the muscle. It's cheaper and stronger... for me, tren wins hands down based on that alone

 

[Smokescreen]

Were u able to keep the gains off tren? size, strenghts, bf???

yes

 

[Mavy]

Eh Boys,

I dont believe that there are any references, or reason to believe that primo works well (especially better than tren) while in a calorie deficeit. This is like the EQ causes hunger, or anxiety phenomenoms. There is no logical explanation for it, and all evidence is emperical.

As for what is better to increase lean body mass, its quite obvious that tren is a winner. I would say followed closely by axandrolone, which is proven to work directly on visceral fat as well.

Its been clearly proven that tren does indeed reduce body fat (just like androgens do too), but only when there not competing with circulating estrogen. So, this means that for cutting fat, tren is best used in a cycle with non-aromatizing roids since it competes with circulating estradiol.

I am with mack on the cattle issue. In vet studies the actual androgenic hypertrophy of tren is regarded as the strongest of any steroid which could be used, which is why instead of using aromatizing compounds to enhance mass in cattle, they now inject them with prods like Revalor-S, which contains tren and estradiol, to make up for the lack of estrogenic mass accrual. You are right... beef is sold by mass, not by taking their bodyfat percentages, and selling the most "fit" cows lol. But we all know that muscle tissue is HEAVIER than fat! And lean beef is a higher quality meat. Giving tren to cows in the months leading up to their slaughter is the best choice to rapidly increase lean weight gain, which makes for some heavy, delicious, thick slabs of great steak!!

The way i see it, is that when you are in a calorie deficiet, you are in an anti-catabolic state. Tren is THE MOTHER OF ALL ANTI-CATABOLICS, which really does make it the "drug of choice" for cutting. Its no surprise that all these tren users report an actual increase in muscle mass while their bodyfat drops. Tren is famous for morphing your physique like no other drug will. Just ask all the goddamn tren junkies on this site. But .. at the same time, you have an increased risk of more sides. Which is the ONLY reason i have not used it thus far, (when i return home from travelling, i am going to give it a run though. I am going to need the help, lol.). As much as i bash tren sometimes, I am not going to deny that it is king. I just happen to personally know a few peeps who have had some nasty sides from it, and i am personally worried about hairloss from tren, as you cant really control it like hairloss from other roids.

Carth, if you are looking for the best drug to shred and and give you the edge over Satchy-boy, be sure to take tren. Better yet, why not run primo stacked with tren. Tren will cover both A/R and non-A/R mediated mechanisms, and stacking them with either a class I or II will only make things better. Tren/Primo/Winny sounds almost perfect, and right up your alley.

I wouldnt think of it so much as what works better with restricted calories.... but think of it re-worded as what works better in an anti-catabolic state. And in this case, its the tren. Good luck to you two on your contest. Should be a good one.
Fuck, i cant wait to get home and hit up a cycle myself, lol

Take Care,
Mavy

 

[Excidium28]

Im getting light acne on primo and var 700mg primo 80mg var

 

[Apexx]

My view was with Primo, is that you will keep more of the LBM gains that you made. I'm trying like crazy to find the reference material i read that in, but for now just treat it like my impression or viewpoint until i can get the sources to post up.

I'm very unsure of Tren, as I haven't looked into it personally, but I was almost positive the main benefit of Primo was that you kept a larger portion of your gains over most any other AAS. So the difference i see if they can both be sufficient in this role, but with Primo you may not see the explosive growth that you get with others, but should have a better retention.

I hope this makes sense, but if it doesn't, remember Corn hasn't had his coffee yet

corn, sorry to pick on you here bro as you're not the only one to have made this type of statement about keeping LBM.

BUT, lean muscle is lean muscle!! It doesn't matter which steroid it came from. It will be retained equally as well provided that proper precautions are taken for the correct PCT.

So, if it's agreed that tren will offer greater gains in lean muscle than primo with at least equal hardening powers, I don't see where the comparison is. Remember side effects are not the issue, so that shouldn't play a role in this particular answer.

Now I have used tren on several occasions, but have not used primo. However, I do know at least 7 different lifters who have used both and each time tren was the hands down winner. BTW, in 5 of the cases I'm talking about the doses were around 1g per week of primo, while their doses were only 75mg/ed of tren. So, while I don't know how primo would effect me, I'm not completely flying blind here either.

 

[thundercross]

Oh, so now this topic turned into a discussion about the chars of Primo and Tren?

I think its futile. The is no comparison between both. Tren is way better.