Primo/deca cycle- should I add Dbol?

[bernard]

This is my first post on this board, gentlemen, but I have certainly been around gear boards before. I am 22, 6'1" 180 pounds, 8-10 percent body fat and will hopefully begin my second cycle shortly. My first cycle was sust 250mg/ deca 200 mg a week for 8 weeks. I gained about 30 pounds but, stupidly, cut back on my diet immidiately after finishing and subsequently lost over half my gains even though I was using the necessary ancillaries. This time I will be more patient and continue to eat huge well after my final shot. Going with a theme of quality muscle gain over dramatic but bloated weight increase, I am thinking the following:

250 mg Primo/ 400 mg Deca for 8 weeks

I am contemplating a three week Dbol blitz weeks 3 through 6 to put on a little more mass and then sustain it. I will have all the necessary nolva, clomid and, this time, will definitley finish with some HCG.

Please let me know your opinions on this cycle. Should I throw in the Dbol for a more pronounced androgenic affect?

All replies are welcome and appreciated.

 

[Mr.Holland]

If you want to gain some mass you certaintly should add some DBolls. But i would do them the first three weeks. At that point your receptors will be fresh so the DBol can do it's work better; and you have a couple of weeks on less androgenic stuff wich wil help to keep the gains.

And why do you use HCG. I think it's crap. Clomid works even better, bloks estrogen (something HCG will not be) and does not give you gyno. And that's something HCG could give you.
Just Clomid, clenbuterol, maybe proviron(for libido) and keep some nolva at hand in case of bitchtits(altough i wont worry about it with primo, deca and a couple of Dbols).

Good luck

 

[bernard]

HCG rational

I am thinking HCG as an added combatant to size lost post cycle. I will be taking clomid and nolva and, from what I have researched, HCG will greatly increase natural testoterone production, something I was slow to regain even with clomid after my first cycle. I think I have decided to add a stronger test somewhere in this cycle but am not wholly convinced about the dbol.

Judging from my first cycle, sust proved outstanding but I have an inclination to use a single esther such as enanthate this time. Any ideas or suggestions. I have researched previous posts but not many seem to run primo and deca together so I am having a difficult time attaining any concrete information. Not to be redundant, but I am most concerned with MAINTANABLE QUALITY MUSCLE.

All suggestions as to cylce length and potential combinations of primo/deca and a short run class 1 test are greatly appreciated.

 

[Nelson Montana]

How do you do 250 of primo? Do you split one ampule in half?

Anyway, I can't disagree more with Holland. HCG is great -- if you need it. Clomid blows.

This time out, drop the deca and eat and train correctly.

 

[bernard]

250 g primo

To answer your question:

Yes, my thinking behind the 250 g/week primo was to split an ampule. I have previously done this with deca and it worked fine as far as I can tell.

Why would you recommend to drop the deca? Personally, I have had very good gains with it and, as extremely long-lasting esther, wouldn't it further work to keep the more androgenic gains?

I know that deca and primo are commonly used individually in addition to a stronger testosterone but I have also read previous posts on another board touting their abilities together.

My main question is what strong test you would add to this cycle. I know a large portion of it depends on personal preference but have any of you real experienced guys noticed in particular any androgenic (i.e. Dbol, Anadrol, Ananvar, Sust/Omna, enanthate, or prop) that seems to retain overall mass better at the conclusion of a cycle.

I know primo should help keep water retention low so hopefully that will aid in overall retention. I am so paranoid about this because I lost so much of myself (about 20 pounds) after my last cycle.

Thanks so much for the responses so far. Your advice is absolutely invaluable and I look forward to your replies.