Preparing for first test cycle, question re: the pinning process

[MethylateMePlease]

Hey guys,

I have no fear of needles, as I had to administer subcutaneous injections to my mother for years (multiple sclerosis). That said, this will be my first experience with intramuscular injections, and I want to do this the correct way, so as to avoid not being able to work out my legs or glutes for a whole week (due to stiffness or soreness).

Here's the deal. I'd like to use a high gauge insulin syringe, but I am concerned the needle will be dulled in the process of puncturing the rubber tops of the testosterone vial. Should I forget all that, and just purchase some syringes with replaceable needles that I can change out after extracting the test, before injecting it?

Also, is any gauge too small for oil test e? If so, what's the perfect size? I'd planned on using a 31 or 32 gauge needle, but perhaps that's not appropriate for my needs.

 

[chrisdoane]

I use 29g insulin pins for my test-e twice a week into quads. I have no fat on my thighs and I make sure to dimple skin. Down side is aspirating. If you are shoot 1cc it doesn't leave much room for aspirating. But you can cause I do. I used 1.5in 21g pins for my first 2 cycles, but my results on this third cycle are right on par with previous 2. Slin pins are gtg with me!

 

[semper03]

I use 22G 1.5 in for my test. They're like $10 for 100 from a pharmacy so never reuse the tube or needle. 22G leaves you a bit sore so I'm switching to a 26G. 32 is way to small for test.


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[Pound4PoundAAS]

It would be too hard for the oil to move through the needle if it's anything over a 26. I stick 23g by 1-1/2" and for shoulders I pin 26g by 1". If you do decide to use a small needle keep your hand steady while pushing the plunger (which may take a while) so you don't irritate the injected muscle. The dulling of the needle isn't that bad from drawing it and as long as you keep your skin taught it shouldn't be too bad.


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[MethylateMePlease]

Thanks for all the input guys! So I'm going to head to the pharmacy for some 26 gauge insulin pins.

What is the easiest site for first-time injections? I've read plenty of reports from guys whose legs were so stiff and sore that they couldn't work those muscles or do any cardio for a whole week. I want to do everything I can to avoid this. Tips, anyone?

 

[96banshee]

You can heat your oil.... Also try to work out whatever muscle your injecting into and massage the area you injected into for a few minutes. It's night and day Compared to not doing so. It makes a big difference. Hope this helps.

 

[jojoenglish85]

Why is it that people make such a big deal about drawing and pinning with the same needle? I get freaking allergy shots twice a week for the next 18 months with a 1" needle that is used to draw then pin me. People seriously exagerate the "damage" that can be caused by doing two jobs with the same needle. Sticking your self is something mentally your just going to have to get over. Nothing will make it not hurt or not feel a thing. You will always feel something, but after a couple weeks your going to get over it. Buy a decent size needle and draw/pin get it over with and move on with your life lol, stop spending extra money on stuff you don't really need. People just read way too much into this sh*t, just like they do when creating a "cycle" to run. Less is better, so stop complicating it.

 

[jcnuts]

Why is it that people make such a big deal about drawing and pinning with the same needle? I get freaking allergy shots twice a week for the next 18 months with a 1" needle that is used to draw then pin me. People seriously exagerate the "damage" that can be caused by doing two jobs with the same needle. Sticking your self is something mentally your just going to have to get over. Nothing will make it not hurt or not feel a thing. You will always feel something, but after a couple weeks your going to get over it. Buy a decent size needle and draw/pin get it over with and move on with your life lol, stop spending extra money on stuff you don't really need. People just read way too much into this sh*t, just like they do when creating a "cycle" to run. Less is better, so stop complicating it.

It isn't because of the pain its strictly for sanitary reasons. I like using a fresh clean needle to inject. And I would definitely not use anything over a 25g. And nothing under an inch for delts and thighs and 1.5" for glutes. Use a 23g cause you don't want to sit there for 5 min with a needle jammed in your leg. Put some big girl panties on.

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[jcnuts]

Sorry jojo the big girl panty comment was for the people talking about using insulin needles.

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[Pound4PoundAAS]

It isn't because of the pain its strictly for sanitary reasons. I like using a fresh clean needle to inject. And I would definitely not use anything over a 25g. And nothing under an inch for delts and thighs and 1.5" for glutes. Use a 23g cause you don't want to sit there for 5 min with a needle jammed in your leg. Put some big girl panties on.

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Well put!

For anyone reading do not wipe your needle with alcohol if you use it to draw and then inject. There's a coating of silicon that's essential on the needle to help it slide through the muscle.


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[MethylateMePlease]

You can heat your oil.... Also try to work out whatever muscle your injecting into and massage the area you injected into for a few minutes. It's night and day Compared to not doing so. It makes a big difference. Hope this helps.

I will do this. What is the optimal injection site, in your opinion? I've read the quad is the easiest for first timers to do with precision (specifically the vastus lateralis muscle). While injecting, should I extend my leg forward so as to flex the muscle, or sit down with my knee bent and my feet firmly on the ground?

Thanks for all the help guys. I'm pretty good at injecting subcutaneously, but IM pinning is very new to me and I want to do it correctly. I'd hate to waste 250mg of test e by fucking up the injection.

 

[semper03]

I pin primarily in the quads. Sit on the edge of a chair or couch with the leg bent and relaxed measure one hands length from the knee and bottom of hip. That 5 in gap in between your hands is where you will pin. Some people stretch the skin tight, I hold the muscle.

Check this site out it should help you understand what I said as well as give you other spots.

http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm


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[eddy0merckx]

I am lazy and impatient--I draw out with a 18g and pin everywhere with 23g (but I do not pin tris/calfs) and only use a 1.5 b/c scared of needle breakage. I have only been able to get decent pins with a 25g if its pharm grade, low oil, or water based.

The only downside to the 18g is it tears up the rubber on the vial--so I don't use it if its for more than a 6 or so pokes.

Not a fan of quad pokes b/c I use the 1.5 and if I am bit careless I can get a pool above my knee area and it hurts like crazy nor a fan of warming the oil (I mean unless you store it in a root cellar).

In the end (no pun intended) don't worry if you mess-up once in a while--it happens to all--just do not skimp on the cleanliness/use needle one time--don't put a loaded pin on the counter/desk/sink and pick it back up and use it--replace the needle.

And when you see a trickle of blood you only nicked a vein--not pinned into it at as will be your first thought.

 

[MethylateMePlease]

And when you see a trickle of blood you only nicked a vein--not pinned into it at as will be your first thought.

That's why it's imperative one aspirates, though, right?

 

[jcnuts]

Yes make sure you aspirate once the needle is completely in.


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[eddy0merckx]

That's why it's imperative one aspirates, though, right?

yes, but even when you aspirate there is always a little blood--I get it from quad pins but if you look at an anatomy chart it's clear why--lots of veins and close to the surface

 

[semper03]

I've never had blood in the quads. Try a different location of the quad.

 

[1Johnboy]

Why is it that people make such a big deal about drawing and pinning with the same needle? I get freaking allergy shots twice a week for the next 18 months with a 1" needle that is used to draw then pin me. People seriously exagerate the "damage" that can be caused by doing two jobs with the same needle. Sticking your self is something mentally your just going to have to get over. Nothing will make it not hurt or not feel a thing. You will always feel something, but after a couple weeks your going to get over it. Buy a decent size needle and draw/pin get it over with and move on with your life lol, stop spending extra money on stuff you don't really need. People just read way too much into this sh*t, just like they do when creating a "cycle" to run. Less is better, so stop complicating it.

Was wondering this also jojo, I also had allergy shot for years where the doc always drew and pinned with the same needle. Never ever had any issues or problems. Also, I was in
the military for many, many years and the shot clinics also never used the two needle method. I feel like a human pin cushin ffs lol. I do have a test cycle coming up and it is my first one, so I did some reading and all and decided upon advice from the wizards here that I will do the two needle method. Using a 19g to draw and 23 to pin with. We will see how it goes, better to be safe than sorry.

JB