Preliminary big-ass spring bulker/cutter!

[Tux]

Well, I've decided that I'm going to do a competition or two this coming summer. To prepare, I'm going to start a massive bulker right after new years for about 10 weeks till mid-march, then a cutter till mid-june. This is tentative so feel free to make suggestions, ask questions, etc. The bulker is so far going to be test E 1200mg/week for 10 weeks, EQ 1g/week for 10 weeks, dbol 60-80mg/day for 4 weeks, test prop 400mg/week for those same beginning 4 weeks. After that I will transition into the cutter. The cutter is not quite as planned out. I plan on lowering the test to probably around 600mg/week, EQ at 900mg/week, tren enth at 4-500mg/week, drostanolone enth at 500mg/week. T3/ECA/phentermine will be used here, as well as some IGF. Don't think I need DNP for this cutter. The last 4-6 weeks before the competition, I'm going to add either anavar or winny, dosage undetermined. The last 3-4 weeks I'll add in halo and switch the test enth for prop. Prop cuts out at 2 weeks from contest. Oh, also, the last 4-6 weeks I'll likely switch over to short-acting masteron and fina, 100mg either ED or EOD. Not sure yet. Of course, will be using an AI, first the trial AI from anafit then aromasin, along with nolva 20mg/day. Also vitamins, protein, niacin, policosanol, sesamax. Oh, and I'll be running HCG in the middle, probably 1,500iu every MWF for 2 weeks, but that's open for revamping too. LMK what you guys think. Perhaps add some deca or NPP somewhere? Primo maybe? Any gear, almost any amount, is an option. I don't intend to just place well, I intend to completely destroy anyone who steps onstage with me Oh, and of course, PCT is in place, hell for this cycle I may even use some HCG with my nolva/IGF!

 

[Iliketolift]

Sorry I cannot help you, I do not know much on the subject. But aproxamitly how much would all of that cost? Cut+bulk cycles...?

 

[UA_Iron]

I'd do a couple cycles of dbol, 4 on, 4 off, or mix it with another oral. Gotta keep switching up those compounds or else it seems like they lose their effectiveness.

I'd do winny over anavar.

How's the diet look?

 

[Tux]

Think I should switch the test enth for cyp after the bulker, and maybe switch the EQ for say, primo when cutting? What exactly do you mean by doing a couple cycles of dbol? I have tons of dbol so that's no problem, I'm just not sure where you're suggesting adding it back in again? I also have tbol, winny, anadrol, and anavar. The diet is good. Starting at around 4000cal/day when bulking, adding 300-500 calories/week till I hit about 6000/day at the highest. Protein at 300g's/day. As clean as I can get it, but for someone my size to eat that many cals, some have to be junk food basically. Hence the 1g of EQ, I need all the EQ hunger I can get. Iliketolift, as far as prices, those cycles are still pretty cheap, as I have great sources for tabs and I make all my own oils in my home lab. Can't mention prices, but I'd say that I can run at least 4x as much of my stuff for the same or less money than most UG's or mex companies.

 

[UA_Iron]

Think I should switch the test enth for cyp after the bulker, and maybe switch the EQ for say, primo when cutting? What exactly do you mean by doing a couple cycles of dbol? I have tons of dbol so that's no problem, I'm just not sure where you're suggesting adding it back in again? I also have tbol, winny, anadrol, and anavar. The diet is good. Starting at around 4000cal/day when bulking, adding 300-500 calories/week till I hit about 6000/day at the highest. Protein at 300g's/day. As clean as I can get it, but for someone my size to eat that many cals, some have to be junk food basically. Hence the 1g of EQ, I need all the EQ hunger I can get. Iliketolift, as far as prices, those cycles are still pretty cheap, as I have great sources for tabs and I make all my own oils in my home lab. Can't mention prices, but I'd say that I can run at least 4x as much of my stuff for the same or less money than most UG's or mex companies.

with orals - 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, repeat. Thats what I was saying. Primo is a good drug, but its hard to justify cutting out EQ for it.

I've never done a precontest cycle so honestly maybe someone else is better qualified for giving advice.

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

Tux your mental!! I like your attitude though, its all or nothing which is good in bodybuilding!!
In terms of your stack it looks good, the doses are high but you must be a big guy to be thinking of running all that.
What are your stats and what do you plan to compete at???

 

[Makavelli]

Sup Tux? This is what I would do:

Test E-1200 mgs/wk until 6 weeks out then switch to prop. Keep the dosage the same all the way until 2 weeks out then cut out the test. Test will prevent muscle loss better than almost any AAS. It is essential to keep your androgens high.
EQ-1 G a week the whole cycle.
D-Bol-100 mgs/day for the first 6 weeks
Tren-500 mgs/wk starting 8 weeks out
Winstrol-700 mgs/wk starting 8 weeks out
Proviron-50 mgs/day starting 8 weeks out and then bumping to 100 mgs/day the last 4 weeks.
GH-4 IU's a day for the whole cycle.
Slin-During the bulking 10 IU post workout
Nolvadex, Arimidex, etc. of course.

Good luck bro.

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

hey makavelli, is hgh good to go in a bulking cycle at 3iu a day? (Jinotropin) or will i need 4iu. Thinking of running it for a few months like you said, can afford 3iu a day but 4-5iu getting expoensive
cheers

 

[Makavelli]

hey makavelli, is hgh good to go in a bulking cycle at 3iu a day? (Jinotropin) or will i need 4iu. Thinking of running it for a few months like you said, can afford 3iu a day but 4-5iu getting expoensive
cheers

Yeah, 3 is good. Just remember that with GH the real magic starts around 5 IU's. 3 will suffice though.

 

[Tux]

Looks nice mak, but I don't know that I'll use slin or GH this time around, though I'm sure they'd help, I don't know if I've got the funds for GH. I do already have 3mg's of IGF-longR3 I'm going to use, and I've got enough EQ/test/dbol/proviron to run what you're suggesting... I'll have to think about what needs tinkering with and see what I finally come up with. Anyone else have suggestions/opinions? Oh, and massivemonster, I'm not really that big, 5'5", about 185lbs off-cycle with 9-10%bf max. On cycle I'll be well over 200 with the same or lower bf, then I plan to cut to 174-175 and 4% or so for the competition so I can make the middleweight class. I don't want to be stuck at the bottom of the light-heavies

 

[Makavelli]

Looks nice mak, but I don't know that I'll use slin or GH this time around, though I'm sure they'd help, I don't know if I've got the funds for GH. I do already have 3mg's of IGF-longR3 I'm going to use, and I've got enough EQ/test/dbol/proviron to run what you're suggesting... I'll have to think about what needs tinkering with and see what I finally come up with. Anyone else have suggestions/opinions? Oh, and massivemonster, I'm not really that big, 5'5", about 185lbs off-cycle with 9-10%bf max. On cycle I'll be well over 200 with the same or lower bf, then I plan to cut to 174-175 and 4% or so for the competition so I can make the middleweight class. I don't want to be stuck at the bottom of the light-heavies

Cool bro. You'll be a solid middleweight.

 

[Tux]

That's what I'm shooting for. Hell, I'll only be about 20-25lbs smaller than Lee Priest at his competition weight these days, and I'm the same height... I've been compared to him before so hopefully I will again! I'll try and save up funds for some GH, maybe Santa will be nice to me

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

5`5 at 176 on stage will be good. Get shredded and its on!

Hey makavalli,

Should i run a four monther of hgh or just sell what i have and run the occassional course of igf post cycle? If funds were unlimited what would you do. I am in a dilemma and dont want to make an expensive mistake!!
Also i will run 10iu slin post training like you said with the hgh. Is the 3iu hgh all good to go in prior to bedtime or should i run first thing in morning?

Cheers

 

[Tux]

Well I'm not Mak, but I'd run GH all the time if I could. If you can't afford more than 5 weeks worth that's not worth it. As for timing, I divide my GH up, 1/2 in the am, 1/2 post-workout. I don't like to shoot it before bed, as your bodies natural GH release occurs in deep sleep anyway.

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

hgh and slin fine together post training or do they need a gap between injecting them?
I need about 300iu to get me going.. That will be 3IU a day for 100 days then can buy more.
Is jinotropin better than ansomone as the ansomone i did before was shit but have done humatrope before and that was the nuts.

 

[Makavelli]

Well I'm not Mak, but I'd run GH all the time if I could. If you can't afford more than 5 weeks worth that's not worth it. As for timing, I divide my GH up, 1/2 in the am, 1/2 post-workout. I don't like to shoot it before bed, as your bodies natural GH release occurs in deep sleep anyway.

I agree with Tux, Massive. I would run the GH for at least 4 months, otherwise sell it and get some IGF-1. I have my guys use their GH mid morning and mid afternoon. Those are the times when natural GH is lowest. You don't want to use it before bed, as Tux said, since that's when natural GH is highest.

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

2iu a day wont do nothing will it?

 

[Tux]

If you're past 40 and just looking for slow, cosmetic benefits, then yes 2iu will be fine. For bbing purposes, I'd go 4-5iu though.

 

[Makavelli]

If you're past 40 and just looking for slow, cosmetic benefits, then yes 2iu will be fine. For bbing purposes, I'd go 4-5iu though.

Right. For BB purposes 3 IU's is the minimum.

 

[Tux]

Back to the original topic, anyone else have suggestions or opinions about my proposed cycle? Remember it's still in the planning stages so I can make drastic alterations if necessary, I have access to basically any amount of any gear on earth. Except THG, that stuff Balco produced, I haven't found that yet, but if you want me to throw in cheque drops I can get those lol