Pre- elite physique contest cycle...final draft |-|===|---

[DaveTSI]

posted this before, ive changed it a little and was hoping for some opinions from my good bros before i order..thanks alot.

third cycle currently 188-192 5'9"

week 1-6 sus 460mg/wk
week 1-7 NPP 410mg/wk
week 1-5 turanabol 60mg day
week 3-8 anavar 55mg day
week 9 start clen 2wk on/off for 2 cycles
week 1-8 liquidex .5mg eod
dostinex .5mg e4d week 1-?? ------------how long past end of npp should i run?

hcg/nolva/clen pct

should i run clen up to 100 mcg my first time with it? or level off at like 60-80? any opinions here would be great and much appreciated. thanks alot.

 

[bicepts101]

i would run the dos through pct...

 

[Outtlaw]

I dissagree with the sust. I'd want to do more than 6wks, but with only six weeks I'd do much more than 460mg/wk.

 

[Makavelli]

What are you trying to do? I wouldn't run sust for only 6 weeks.

 

[DaveTSI]

thanks bicepts101.

outlaw i know its unorthidox (sp?) @ six weeks but i cant do eod injects w/ prop, should i stop being a pussy and just do it? why more than 400+ with dosage, its only my 3rd cycle. reason for only six weeks is sides from test for me SUCK.

mak trying to drop to 7-8% from 11-12 and get to 195 from 187-188ish.

thanks guys

 

[DiamondCutCows]

thanks bicepts101.

outlaw i know its unorthidox (sp?) @ six weeks but i cant do eod injects w/ prop, should i stop being a pussy and just do it? why more than 400+ with dosage, its only my 3rd cycle. reason for only six weeks is sides from test for me SUCK.

mak trying to drop to 7-8% from 11-12 and get to 195 from 187-188ish.

thanks guys

You wanna drop 4% and gain 10lbs NET? Thats a pretty lofty goal IMO. Those goals scream TREN. Good luck bor

 

[LVTitan]

if its your first time with clen , i'd start off low, my buddy got bad shakes at 80mcg

 

[Clean]

It also depends on the clen on how bad the shakes are. The bulgarian clen was the worst for me, but the 40mcg BD wasn't too bad.

 

[DaveTSI]

diamondcc i dropped from 12 to 9 and gained 3-4 on test 250 eq 400 easily, so why not on this cycle (another 5-6lbs.) i think its definatly doable. Tren ..maybe inna couple cycles lol. also maybe im not quite as high in bf% as im saying maybe closer to 10 right now.

thanks lv thats what i was thinking i should level off at 80mcg

is the weeks i have listed to run the clen correct ^??

 

[DaveTSI]

It also depends on the clen on how bad the shakes are. The bulgarian clen was the worst for me, but the 40mcg BD wasn't too bad.

yeah, i cant remember what clen ill be doing ill let you guys know

 

[Outtlaw]

thanks bicepts101.

outlaw i know its unorthidox (sp?) @ six weeks but i cant do eod injects w/ prop, should i stop being a pussy and just do it? why more than 400+ with dosage, its only my 3rd cycle. reason for only six weeks is sides from test for me SUCK.

mak trying to drop to 7-8% from 11-12 and get to 195 from 187-188ish.

thanks guys

So basically you're using the sust to substitute for the prop?? I'd just do the prop. You're gonna want to inject 2-3x a week anyways to use the sust like that.

 

[DaveTSI]

yeah thats basically it, but also the sus will stay in my system longer while im still on deca. i was going to do e3d with the sus for 6 weeks (14 injects), where as prop for 7 weeks would be 25. ouch

 

[Outtlaw]

Yeah, but you're talking about a minimal amount of sust that's gonna be in your system at the dose you're running. If you plan on using the sust to carry you through, I'd extend the cycle to like 9wks and increase dosage on the sust (you could still cut the sust at wk 6 if you want).

 

[DaveTSI]

ok so you think i should run the npp to week 9 along with var and cutoff the sus at week 6, but run it at say 585mg/wk (1mL e3d for 6 weeks)


anyone else have any input about clen, or is schedual above fine??

 

[Outtlaw]

ok so you think i should run the npp to week 9 along with var and cutoff the sus at week 6, but run it at say 585mg/wk (1mL e3d for 6 weeks)


anyone else have any input about clen, or is schedual above fine??

That sounds a lot better. I'd even do more than 585, but you say you get a lot of sides from test so that should work. Remember, by the time you do that last sust shot you'll be down to 250-300mg of acting sust cause the fast acting esters are gonna be gone.

 

[DaveTSI]

got my hdl/ldl levels checked today and i am ready to go - 66/121, bp is great. also had my bf done and it's 11.8% so i was right on with my guess

soooooooo....

week 1-6 sus 585mg/wk
week 1-9 NPP 410mg/wk
week 1-5 turanabol 60mg day
week 3-9 anavar 45mg day
week 9 start clen 2wk on/off for 2 cycles (20, 40, 60, 80, 80, 80, etc...)
week 1-9 liquidex .5mg eod
week 1-10 dostinex .5mg e4d week

any other suggestions or thoughts here bros??

 

[DaveTSI]

bump for thoughts

 

[Bald Gorilla]

Just wondering about the two orals...
And are you going to front load the sust?
If I did it like that I would see any gains from it until about week 5. I would add (for my cycle....) some prop in the first two weeks... (in addition to the prop in sust)
I've never used Turanabol, but Fina instead would be wise since you are using Dostinex anyway.
Since you don't like frequent injects why are you using NPP instead of Deca or Laurabolin?
Just my thoughts. GOOD LUCK!!!!

 

[DaveTSI]

Just wondering about the two orals...
And are you going to front load the sust?
If I did it like that I would see any gains from it until about week 5. I would add (for my cycle....) some prop in the first two weeks... (in addition to the prop in sust)
I've never used Turanabol, but Fina instead would be wise since you are using Dostinex anyway.
Since you don't like frequent injects why are you using NPP instead of Deca or Laurabolin?
Just my thoughts. GOOD LUCK!!!!

No front load, i feel with the prop in sus, and being on turanabol its not really nessecary. Ill give the prop frontload some thought though, good idea. Not ready for fina yet bro, only my third cycle, i dont wanna go there yet. As for NPP ive heard its easier to recover from than deca, this was supposed to be a shorter cycle (where deca wouldnt be practical), and just the fact that alot of guys recommended npp to me so i want to give it a shot. Also if any sides occur, like hairloss while using dutasteride, itll leave my system alot faster than deca. About injection frequency, i think i can take e3d w/o problems, but eod or more would be a stretch for me. I think that covers everything you asked. Does this all make sense to you?