potential virgin user with some heavy ammo

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I am 31 years old (6 feet/235 pounds), I've been lifting for more than half my life, and I've decided that I'm ready to take my workouts to the next level. I have a friend who has been actively juicing for quite some time, and he has offered me 100 tabs of Anadrol, 25 tabs of Winstrol (50mg), and 30 tabs Nolvadex (20mg).

I have been doing quite a bit of research on Anadrol and the opinion that I have come across quite frequently is that this is a bad choice for a first cycle. If I were to take a 5-week cycle of Anadrol (1 tab per day for the first 2 weeks, 2 per day in week 3, then back to 1 a day in weeks 4 and 5) along with Nolvadex, could I then take Winstrol for 5 weeks (1 tab per day Monday through Friday for 5 weeks) and keep the majority of my gains? I was thinking of taking about 2 weeks off after the Anadrol cycle before hitting Winny. Please let me know if this would be a huge waste of time and money. I want to do this right and as SAFELY as possible.

Also, I'm not quite clear on how exactly to stack the Nolvadex. Would I take it DURING or AFTER the Anadrol cycle? Also, for how long if it is during PCT?

Thanks in advance for all of your help!

 

[702daswoll1]

Anadrol for a first cycle is not a good idea. Bite the bullet and buy some test e and run it for 10 weeks at 3-500mg every week.. If you want you can throw in the Winstrol at the end but you dont have very much. If you want to keep your gains and do a low-toxic cycle the Anadrol is a very bad idea.

 

[justchilling]

i would put up the androl untill you have a few cycles under your belt. Im sure you read that an ideal begginer cycle is test only between 250mg/500mg per week. you could also kick start it with some d-bol, or even your winny. I dont think it would be bad to use test/deca for your first. that will make a good bulking begginer cycle. If you are going to do the androl only cycle any ways, use the nolva after for your pct. you can use it a day after your last pill@40mg ed for 1 wk then 20mg ed for wk 2 and 3.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

I am 31 years old (6 feet/235 pounds), I've been lifting for more than half my life, and I've decided that I'm ready to take my workouts to the next level. I have a friend who has been actively juicing for quite some time, and he has offered me 100 tabs of Anadrol, 25 tabs of Winstrol (50mg), and 30 tabs Nolvadex (20mg).

I have been doing quite a bit of research on Anadrol and the opinion that I have come across quite frequently is that this is a bad choice for a first cycle. If I were to take a 5-week cycle of Anadrol (1 tab per day for the first 2 weeks, 2 per day in week 3, then back to 1 a day in weeks 4 and 5) along with Nolvadex, could I then take Winstrol for 5 weeks (1 tab per day Monday through Friday for 5 weeks) and keep the majority of my gains? I was thinking of taking about 2 weeks off after the Anadrol cycle before hitting Winstrol - stanozolol. Please let me know if this would be a huge waste of time and money. I want to do this right and as SAFELY as possible.

Also, I'm not quite clear on how exactly to stack the Nolvadex. Would I take it DURING or AFTER the Anadrol cycle? Also, for how long if it is during PCT - post cycle therapy - ?

Thanks in advance for all of your help!

Your mate should know better he must need some cash , i would never
tell anyone it was a good first cycle .
Brad.

 

[daveyboy2345]

give him back the anadrol and get more winstrol and a bottle of test.

 

[redtopp06]

your friend gave or sold you what worked for him. listen to these guys on here bro they know their shit .

 

[hyp1]

your gains from the anadrol are going to be goddamned near impossible to retain,and your liver is going to be pissed as hell at you for it.

a first cycle containing orals only is a mistake most newbs make,by trying with everything they have to avoid injections(which btw are much much easier on your liver and easier to retain the gains you make on them)

save the anadrol for later cycles,NOT YOUR FIRST ONE

invest in a injectable testosterone whether it be enanthate,cypionate,or sustanon that you will only have to inject once a week.on your first cycle do 250mgs of testosterone a week,that's all you'll need for your first cycle.......stick to one compound only.run it for 12 weeks,train heavy with good form,get enough rest,eat clean and you'll grow like a fucking weed.

best of luck to you

 

[advanced-stealth]

Agree with hyp1

 

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First off, I most certainly appreciate all of the feedback. While I've done a good bit of research, this is something that I still wanted to accrue as much expert input as possible before getting started.

Let me pose a hypothetical situation. Let's say that despite all of the great advice here that I went ahead and administered the following cycles:

CYCLE 1
Week 1: Anadrol (50mg/day)
Week 2: Anadrol (50mg/day)
Week 3: Anadrol (100mg/day)
Week 4: Anadrol (50mg/day)
Week 5: Anadrol (50mg/day)
PCT: Nolvadex (20mg/day for 30 days)

CYCLE 2
Winstrol (50mg/day) for 5 weeks

If I went ahead with this, what is reealistically the end result for me? Is hypl's prediction pretty much on par according to the rest of you? Bear in my mind that I most definitely know what I'm doing in the weight room and in terms of nutrition.

Thanks again!

 

[beenieman]

Anadrol is nasty bro... Listen to Hyp....

 

[justchilling]

you dont need 100mg ed of androl. take the advice you are being given.

 

[holy ghost]

Anadrol is nasty bro... Listen to Hyp....

how can you judge if you havent taken it yourself?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ever wonder why anadrol is in a 50 mg tab while Winstrol is a 2mg tab? It has a lousy affinity for androgeinc/ anabolic receptors. It is however very good at increasing blood volume, which accounts for the fast gains, and consequently, the fast loses. That's a fact and you don't have to take it yourself in order to know that.

100mgs a day is extremely liver toxic.

As for the original poster, why are you asking advice and then presenting a hypothetical situation which constitutes ignoring the advice? Listen to what's being told or shut up and just do what you want.

 

[rg78]

As for the original poster, why are you asking advice and then presenting a hypothetical situation which constitutes ignoring the advice? Listen to what's being told or shut up and just do what you want.

Damn straight i bet my shrivled up pea sized left testicle this mofo will be downing 100mg mg of drol everyday for the next 5 weeks.

 

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As for the original poster, why are you asking advice and then presenting a hypothetical situation which constitutes ignoring the advice? Listen to what's being told or shut up and just do what you want.

I asked the original question in hopes of getting some more definitive answers such as "Taking anadrol during a first cycle is bad because yadda...yadda...yadda." I already know that anadrol is highly liver toxic, but why is it worse to implement on a first cycle than a second or third?

One thing I know for damn certain is that the more weight you put up, the bigger your muscle gets. Having said that, if I took an anadrol cycle and followd that up with Winstrol, wouldn't that secure a good portion of my gains? If not, why???

As for your advice to "listen or shut up" I think I'll pass on that. For everything that's said here, I can talk to someone else that has a different angle. Being new to roids, I will ask as many questions as necessary to collect the information I need before making an educated decision. I don't take any one opinion as gospel.

 

[freshbro]

i am new to steroids too, and also doing lots of research and asking lots of questions. when a page and a half of replys from people with experience tells you its a bad idea, it's proli a bad idea.

contenue your own research but ask more ditect questions

 

[rambleon]

I asked the original question in hopes of getting some more definitive answers such as "Taking anadrol during a first cycle is bad because yadda...yadda...yadda." I already know that anadrol is highly liver toxic, but why is it worse to implement on a first cycle than a second or third?


c'mon man. These guys most definately have it right. U sound to me like a guy who is only ready to listen to someone telling u what u want to hear. That is a seriously unhealthy approach to juicing.

I did anadrol and gotta tell u its bad. Aside from the liver toxicity (which is through the roof and 100mg ed? poof goes ur liver) the sides is baaad. Acne from day 1, headaches and baaad bloat. U'd need some strategy for aromatase inhibitor because the aromatization is awful. Do not and u'll grow breasts fast! The last thing is: U'll get very strong very quick. Gain at a tremendous rate. But u'll blow up most of the gain being water and u'll lose ALL of it after. Then u'd gone through all that hassle with the sides for nothing. U'll be unhappy with ur lifting because u'll lose that insane strength. But the worst part is: Starting with something as heavy as anadrol may limit what u can get uot of other more sensible componds later. Ask AR or Nelson about this tho as i'm not sure about how bad this effect would be.

Overall: There's a TON of good reasons not to start with anadrol. But if ur mind is set: When u won't hear u must feel.

 

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I did anadrol and gotta tell u its bad. Aside from the liver toxicity (which is through the roof and 100mg ed? poof goes ur liver) the sides is baaad. Acne from day 1, headaches and baaad bloat. U'd need some strategy for aromatase inhibitor because the aromatization is awful. Do not and u'll grow breasts fast! The last thing is: U'll get very strong very quick. Gain at a tremendous rate. But u'll blow up most of the gain being water and u'll lose ALL of it after. Then u'd gone through all that hassle with the sides for nothing. U'll be unhappy with ur lifting because u'll lose that insane strength. But the worst part is: Starting with something as heavy as anadrol may limit what u can get uot of other more sensible componds later.

This is more along the lies of what I was looking for. Someone actually spelling it out rather than simply saying "Anadrol is bad for a first cycle." Thank you.

 

[socket]

I asked the original question in hopes of getting some more definitive answers such as "Taking anadrol during a first cycle is bad because yadda...yadda...yadda." I already know that anadrol is highly liver toxic, but why is it worse to implement on a first cycle than a second or third?

One thing I know for damn certain is that the more weight you put up, the bigger your muscle gets. Having said that, if I took an anadrol cycle and followd that up with Winstrol, wouldn't that secure a good portion of my gains? If not, why???

As for your advice to "listen or shut up" I think I'll pass on that. For everything that's said here, I can talk to someone else that has a different angle. Being new to steroids, I will ask as many questions as necessary to collect the information I need before making an educated decision. I don't take any one opinion as gospel.

If the overwhelming opinion is shared by the majority. It is a good indicator it is correct. If you come on here and question the vets, after they've given you their 'knowledge based' opinion, you will not earn their respect, which means, in future you will not get their advice - which is the exact advice you want.

So to sum up dont be all fucking cocky, ask direct questions, such as 'why is it so toxic', etc.

Oh, and Nelson knows his shit better than most. So give the guy respect. he's earnt it.

 

[timtim]

wheres the heavy ammo?

theres a 5 week cycle of anadrol - crap, followed by a 5 week cycle of winstrol - crap.

One thing I know for damn certain is that the more weight you put up, the bigger your muscle gets. Having said that, if I took an anadrol cycle and followd that up with Winstrol, wouldn't that secure a good portion of my gains? If not, why???

this is not true at all. take test e for 10 weeks with no ai and see how quick you blow up from the estrogen increase and water retention and then watch the weight you were pushing drop back down when the cycle ends.

you dont sound like you educated yourself on aas yet. your 2 cycle proposal is terrible for plenty of reasons. if you want, run it. you'll look like complete garbage running anadrol by itself and by the time the winstrol takes affect in your "2nd cycle", all the water weight from the anadrol will be pissed out and you'll be back at step 1.

 

[musclehealth]

You got many people who already warned you about anadrol. Its a horrible compound and in my honest oppinion its outdated as hell. Its not worth even saving. The water retention is baaaad, ur liver will suffer a lot. You will NOT hold much if any of your gains...and if you do it will be water weight.

USE INJECTABLES!!! THe safest route of administration. Hands down.

Test Enanthate or Test Cypionate

do between 250-500mg week. More is not better!

You can inject once a week at 250mg but I would reccomend twice a week for safety. ex...Monday/thursday.

DONT ASK ABOUT THE CYCLE U WERE PLANNING. ITS GARBAGE!

First off, I most certainly appreciate all of the feedback. While I've done a good bit of research, this is something that I still wanted to accrue as much expert input as possible before getting started.

Let me pose a hypothetical situation. Let's say that despite all of the great advice here that I went ahead and administered the following cycles:

CYCLE 1
Week 1: Anadrol (50mg/day)
Week 2: Anadrol (50mg/day)
Week 3: Anadrol (100mg/day)
Week 4: Anadrol (50mg/day)
Week 5: Anadrol (50mg/day)
PCT - post cycle therapy - : Nolvadex (20mg/day for 30 days)

CYCLE 2
Winstrol (50mg/day) for 5 weeks

If I went ahead with this, what is reealistically the end result for me? Is hypl's prediction pretty much on par according to the rest of you? Bear in my mind that I most definitely know what I'm doing in the weight room and in terms of nutrition.

Thanks again!

 

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If the overwhelming opinion is shared by the majority. It is a good indicator it is correct. If you come on here and question the vets, after they've given you their 'knowledge based' opinion, you will not earn their respect, which means, in future you will not get their advice - which is the exact advice you want.

So to sum up dont be all fucking cocky, ask direct questions, such as 'why is it so toxic', etc.

Oh, and Nelson knows his shit better than most. So give the guy respect. he's earnt it.

Alright man, first off I have not questioned any of the actual advice given to me by the "veterans." When I first asked my question, I was getting typical responses that I had seen numerous other times during my research such as "Anadrol makes a bad first cycle" or "Anadrol is nasty stuff." These are things that I could hear from any DEA puppet on any day of the week. I was hoping to get some DETAILED feedback from peope who have actually used the stuff and could give me some first hand testimonials. A lot of you keep reverting to the argument that "The majority has already told you that anadrol is a bad idea." Well no kidding. Doing steroids is a bad idea period as is drinking coffee or eating candy bars. What I am trying to do is gather as much information as possible in terms of how this stuff will effect my physique so that I can weigh the risk versus the reward. Someone said that it doesn't appear that I've done my research on AS. Well what the hell do you think I'm doing here? If I already knew the answers then I wouldn't be asking you guys any questions.

Secondly, to the person who suggested that I show some respect to Nelson, just understand that respect is a 2-way street. I have never approached a person that I didn't know from a hole in the wall (online or anywhere else) and told them to either "Listen or shut up." I didn't come on this board to get advice on how to frame my questions so that even the greatest of ego-maniacs wouldn't be offended that their almighty word has been questioned. I've already been raised and I don't need any personal conduct advice from anyone else. I don't care if he's done every steroid under the sun. I'm here to learn as much as I can. If that means asking follow-up questions, then that's what I'll do.

 

[cadey]

Doing steroids is a bad idea period

so why are you planning on doing them?

 

[holy ghost]

anadrol is bad news

but i have a few friends who LOVE it

 

[beenieman]

how can you judge if you havent taken it yourself?

2 of my college buddies took the shit for a first cycle and didn't keep ANY of their gains. Plus the sides were terrible... You're right, I've never taken Anadrol and after seeing WTF it did to my homies I never will....

 

[Papa Lion]

As for the original poster, why are you asking advice and then presenting a hypothetical situation which constitutes ignoring the advice? Listen to what's being told or shut up and just do what you want.[/QUOTE]


you beat me to it!!

 

[Papa Lion]

As for your advice to "listen or shut up" I think I'll pass on that. For everything that's said here, I can talk to someone else that has a different angle. Being new to steroids, I will ask as many questions as necessary to collect the information I need before making an educated decision. I don't take any one opinion as gospel.[/QUOTE]


I'm pretty sure it wasn't one opinon.... it seemed to be the general consensus.... well actually more like unanimous!!

 

[musclehealth]

I dont think your ready. Sorry but you are not listening to anyone.

One word..... TESTOSTERONE!!!!

 

[bigbox]

Alright man, first off I have not questioned any of the actual advice given to me by the "veterans." When I first asked my question, I was getting typical responses that I had seen numerous other times during my research such as "Anadrol makes a bad first cycle" or "Anadrol is nasty stuff." These are things that I could hear from any DEA puppet on any day of the week. I was hoping to get some DETAILED feedback from peope who have actually used the stuff and could give me some first hand testimonials. A lot of you keep reverting to the argument that "The majority has already told you that anadrol is a bad idea." Well no kidding. Doing steroids is a bad idea period as is drinking coffee or eating candy bars. What I am trying to do is gather as much information as possible in terms of how this stuff will effect my physique so that I can weigh the risk versus the reward. Someone said that it doesn't appear that I've done my research on AS. Well what the hell do you think I'm doing here? If I already knew the answers then I wouldn't be asking you guys any questions.

Secondly, to the person who suggested that I show some respect to Nelson, just understand that respect is a 2-way street. I have never approached a person that I didn't know from a hole in the wall (online or anywhere else) and told them to either "Listen or shut up." I didn't come on this board to get advice on how to frame my questions so that even the greatest of ego-maniacs wouldn't be offended that their almighty word has been questioned. I've already been raised and I don't need any personal conduct advice from anyone else. I don't care if he's done every steroid under the sun. I'm here to learn as much as I can. If that means asking follow-up questions, then that's what I'll do.

Good god man, quit being such an ass!! Maybe you'll get a better response if you ask in a respectful way to begin with!!! I think you are right though, the vets here don't know much about roids, maybe you should bump up the anadrol to 600mg, add some DNP and eat chocolate cake!!! You're lucky Nelson even took the time to reply to you!!!

 

[socket]

Good god man, quit being such an ass!! Maybe you'll get a better response if you ask in a respectful way to begin with!!! I think you are right though, the vets here don't know much about steroids, maybe you should bump up the anadrol to 600mg, add some dnp - dinitrophenol - and eat chocolate cake!!! You're lucky Nelson even took the time to reply to you!!!

I think he is ready for some Roid Store gear, beats anadrol hands down!

 

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Good god man, quit being such an ass!! Maybe you'll get a better response if you ask in a respectful way to begin with!!!

What the hell are you talking about? Since when is asking a question and stating that I appreiciate all of the help considered disrespectful?

I think you are right though, the vets here don't know much about steroids

Please quote a statement of mine where I said anything remotely close to that. You're making shit up at this point. All I have said is that I am here to learn as much as possible from experienced users, but I could do without the advice on personal conduct. I'm a grown man.

maybe you should bump up the anadrol to 600mg, add some and eat chocolate cake!!!

Despite the overwhelming advice from you guys not to go with the anadrol, I have decided to that I am indeed going to go with that cycle. I e-mailed my buddy this link so he could see all of your feedback and he simply disagrees. Given that he has run through several cycles of anadrol, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

He said given that I already very good size and strength that the Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - will work wonders. He said that the comments regarding liver problems are being highly exaggerated and that those problems are more common with bodybuilders who abuse the dosage over longer periods. He said that even in those cases, the body tends to return to normal functionality once you come off of the steroids. He didn't feel that a 5 or 6-week cycle (even at 100mg/day for a few weeks) would cause any problems at all. He also said that the water retention can be controlled by drinking at least 1.5 gallons of water per day, which I pretty much do already. He mentioned that by following up the anadrol cycle with Winstrol (which would make me stronger than an ox) that the vast majority of my gains would be preserved. While he certainly agreed that sustanon 250 or test ethanate is a better first cycle, he vowed that I would not be disappointed with the results from this one.

 

[rambleon]

on your head be it then.

 

[timtim]

What the hell are you talking about? Since when is asking a question and stating that I appreiciate all of the help considered disrespectful?



Please quote a statement of mine where I said anything remotely close to that. You're making shit up at this point. All I have said is that I am here to learn as much as possible from experienced users, but I could do without the advice on personal conduct. I'm a grown man.



Despite the overwhelming advice from you guys not to go with the anadrol, I have decided to that I am indeed going to go with that cycle. I e-mailed my buddy this link so he could see all of your feedback and he simply disagrees. Given that he has run through several cycles of anadrol, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

He said given that I already very good size and strength that the Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - will work wonders. He said that the comments regarding liver problems are being highly exaggerated and that those problems are more common with bodybuilders who abuse the dosage over longer periods. He said that even in those cases, the body tends to return to normal functionality once you come off of the steroids. He didn't feel that a 5 or 6-week cycle (even at 100mg/day for a few weeks) would cause any problems at all. He also said that the water retention can be controlled by drinking at least 1.5 gallons of water per day, which I pretty much do already. He mentioned that by following up the anadrol cycle with Winstrol (which would make me stronger than an ox) that the vast majority of my gains would be preserved. While he certainly agreed that sustanon 250 or test ethanate is a better first cycle, he vowed that I would not be disappointed with the results from this one.

your friend is as clueless as you are. those cycles suck and winstrol does not make you stronger than an ox. please, how supid. and water intake keeping anadrol bloat down? if everything in life was so easy. have fun looking bloated and pimply and then pissing out all the water gain you get.

 

[hyp1]

What the hell are you talking about? Since when is asking a question and stating that I appreiciate all of the help considered disrespectful?



Please quote a statement of mine where I said anything remotely close to that. You're making shit up at this point. All I have said is that I am here to learn as much as possible from experienced users, but I could do without the advice on personal conduct. I'm a grown man.



Despite the overwhelming advice from you guys not to go with the anadrol, I have decided to that I am indeed going to go with that cycle. I e-mailed my buddy this link so he could see all of your feedback and he simply disagrees. Given that he has run through several cycles of anadrol, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

He said given that I already very good size and strength that the Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - will work wonders. He said that the comments regarding liver problems are being highly exaggerated and that those problems are more common with bodybuilders who abuse the dosage over longer periods. He said that even in those cases, the body tends to return to normal functionality once you come off of the steroids. He didn't feel that a 5 or 6-week cycle (even at 100mg/day for a few weeks) would cause any problems at all. He also said that the water retention can be controlled by drinking at least 1.5 gallons of water per day, which I pretty much do already. He mentioned that by following up the anadrol cycle with Winstrol (which would make me stronger than an ox) that the vast majority of my gains would be preserved. While he certainly agreed that sustanon 250 or test ethanate is a better first cycle, he vowed that I would not be disappointed with the results from this one.

LOL you and your friend both are fucking clueless.........the water rentention experienced on anadrol is from estrogen overload that it causes to everyones fucking body and drinking shitloads of water isn't going to effect that fucking fact at all.I'm convinced neither one of you know a goddamned thing about proper anti estrogen use on cycle.

not to mention the killer fucking headaches,bloating,elevated blood pressure, and a general "unwell" feeling you're sure to fucking experience.winstrol is not known for strength increases so your friend is full of fucking shit to the core,not to mention Stanozolol(winstrol) has one of the worst hepatoxicity (mg for mg) of any steroid.combine that with the anadrol that you're so readily focused on dosing on and your liver is going to suffer like a motherfucker.it's main use is as a cutting agent,something I'm positive your gym rat guru doesn't have a fucking clue about.watch the whites of your eyes for any yellowness that starts showing,because next step is full fucking jaundice.

best of luck you fucking timebomb........lol

 

[MichaelScott]

yeah a bombs were brutal on me fat and lazy kept results for about 2 -3 weeks

 

[timtim]

LOL you and your friend both are fucking clueless.........the water rentention experienced on anadrol is from estrogen overload that it causes to everyones fucking body and drinking shitloads of water isn't going to effect that fucking fact at all.I'm convinced neither one of you know a goddamned thing about proper anti estrogen use on cycle.

not to mention the killer fucking headaches,bloating,elevated blood pressure, and a general "unwell" feeling you're sure to fucking experience.winstrol is not known for strength increases so your friend is full of fucking shit to the core,not to mention Stanozolol(winstrol) has one of the worst hepatoxicity (mg for mg) of any steroid.combine that with the anadrol that you're so readily focused on dosing on and your liver is going to suffer like a motherfucker.it's main use is as a cutting agent,something I'm positive your gym rat guru doesn't have a fucking clue about.watch the whites of your eyes for any yellowness that starts showing,because next step is full fucking jaundice.

best of luck you fucking timebomb........lol

i think the cholesterol values after this cycle will be awesome. my last run of winstrol as my my only 17aa landed me with 192 total, 0 hdl, and 161 ldl.

what do you think anadrol followed by winstrol will do?

winstrol making people strong as an ox? please, killed my joints everytime i took it. combine that here with the after effects of the huge weight increases the anadrol will cause and then the huge drop off that will follow 3 days after ending, should create an awesome environment for tendinitus.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

A lot of you keep reverting to the argument that "The majority has already told you that anadrol is a bad idea." Well no kidding. Doing steroids is a bad idea period as is drinking coffee or eating candy bars. What I am trying to do is gather as much information as possible in terms of how this stuff will effect my physique so that I can weigh the risk versus the reward. .

Assuming doing steroids is a bad idea, why can't doing only Anadrol on your first cycle, be an even worse idea? Those with experience and knowledge are giving you a better bad idea - doing test on your first cycle. And they have given you many detailed reasons concerning the advantages and disadvantages. WTF? What more do you want?

 

[hyp1]

what do you think anadrol followed by winstrol will do?
should create an awesome environment for tendinitus.

what will the winstrol do?

probably be the icing on the fucking cake to his expected punished liver implosion,and I agree with the joint pain point you make bro.

 

[MichaelScott]

yeah man if u r scared of needles and afraid to do injects then i dont think u should be doing aas anyhow, abombs are bad, been there done that

 

[Acela]

if you insist on doing this abomonation of a cycle....for your own benefit....take 1000mg's milk thistle ED....drink 1.5 gallons H20 ED

take before and after pictures and keep the board posted. prove everybody wrong.

 

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if you insist on doing this abomonation of a cycle....for your own benefit....take 1000mg's milk thistle ED....drink 1.5 gallons H20 ED

take before and after pictures and keep the board posted. prove everybody wrong.

Thanks Acela! That's some great advice on the milk thistle. I'll drive right past a Rite Aid on the way home from work and I'll pick up a few bottles.

I forwarded all of your replies to my buddy. While all of you keep bashing me for being clueless about AS (which I mostly am so I'm not offended), he most definitely is not. He's been doing this stuff for 15 years. He's for a former defensive lineman at Auburn and he's built like the Hulk. It's kind of hard for me to believe that he doesn't know what he's talking about, and he has actually done multiple anadrol cycles. I would assume that all of you posting these dire predictions have done it yourself, correct?

 

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watch the whites of your eyes for any yellowness that starts showing,because next step is full fucking jaundice.

best of luck you fucking timebomb........lol

Hyp1, despite the fact that you were ripping me a new asshole for about 95% of your post, I truly do appreciate the advice about watching my eye color. That is a red flag that I will be on the look-out for throughout my cycle...

 

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I'm going to go by what my buddy and this article say about anadrol:

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do;jsessionid=7C53B18789947ADF38B7B8434B4D6059.hydra?id=460367

 

[hyp1]

Hyp1, despite the fact that you were ripping me a new asshole for about 95% of your post, I truly do appreciate the advice about watching my eye color. That is a red flag that I will be on the look-out for throughout my cycle...

bro sorry to be so fucking direct with you but you're entirely ignoring all the advice everyone has given you,so are we casting pearls to swine or what?LOL

seriously I'm worried about your fucking health and don't want you to become another 'statistic' from not being educated on what you are attempting to use in the first place.anadrol is seriously hard on your liver,it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that........and you can take my word we aren't trying to attempt any anti steroid propaganda on this site at all.what we are doing is trying to give you sound advice on responsible cycles that will give you keepable gains that won't disappear right after you stop your cycle.

bro that dude that told you how to overcome water retention by drinking water is one uneducated motherfucker.he doesn't have the slightest idea that's caused by the estrogen overload from the anadrol,the ONLY thing that can help even remotely is an anti estrogen taken on a daily fucking basis...for
maintenance.hate to burst your bubble but just because a dude is large in size doesn't mean he knows his shit,the world is full of idiots doing horrendous shit to their bodies because they lack the education and knowledge on what should be done and what shouldn't be done.

the dude also telling you that winstrol would make you strong as an 'ox' doesn't have the slightest fucking clue that winstrol is used almost exclusively as a cutting agent,it's not known as a strength building compound in the slightest and truthfully gives a lot of people joint irritation and problems.

do yourself a favor and get some injectable testosterone enanthate run 250mgs a week for your first cycle,hell if you want to you can even throw in 25mgs of dianabol a day to jumpstart your cycle for 4 weeks...that would be much,much safer and you could maintain your gains with a proper post cycle therapy which I'm positive many guys on this forum could help you out with.

 

[hyp1]

I'm going to go by what my buddy and this article say about anadrol:

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do;jsessionid=7C53B18789947ADF38B7B8434B4D6059.hydra?id=460367

here's an article for your education

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymetholone

pay close attention to this part,some shit your 'guru' didn't admit to

Side effects

The side-effects of short-term use of the drug itself include nausea, bloating, acne, and masculinising effects such as deepening of the voice, growth of facial hair and clitoral hypertrophy . In addition, oxymetholone is readily aromatized by aromatase to form a progestagen, and unless selective estrogen receptor modulators such as tamoxifen or clomifene are taken in conjunction with the drug, there is a significant risk of the appearance of estrogenic effects such as gynaecomastia over time. Because of its 17α-alkylated structure, oxymetholone is highly hepatotoxic. Long term use of the drug can cause a variety of serious ailments, including hepatitis, liver cancer, and cirrhosis.

 

[MichaelScott]

i hate the clitoral hypertrophy lololol

 

[MichaelScott]

the liver cancer sux too

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Thanks Acela! That's some great advice on the milk thistle. I'll drive right past a Rite Aid on the way home from work and I'll pick up a few bottles.

I forwarded all of your replies to my buddy. While all of you keep bashing me for being clueless about AS (which I mostly am so I'm not offended), he most definitely is not. He's been doing this stuff for 15 years. He's for a former defensive lineman at Auburn and he's built like the Hulk. It's kind of hard for me to believe that he doesn't know what he's talking about, and he has actually done multiple anadrol cycles. I would assume that all of you posting these dire predictions have done it yourself, correct?

If you are so sure he knows what he is talking about and can't be wrong, then why ask for anybody else's opinions in the first place? This shit doesn't make any sense. Maybe you just like to argue. most people here are saying that anadrol alone is not a good beginner's cycle and they are right. Big fucking deal he is built like the hulk, and has been doing steroids for 15 years. For all you know, tomorrow he could drop dead from atherosclerosis, or be diagnosed with liver cancer. Go ahead and do an inferior cycle. If you just said, I know the risks and drawbacks, but don't want to pin and anadrol is all I have right now, that would be understandable. But this tack about how "Hulk," whose long term health prognostication you know nothing about, is right and all you guys are giving questionable advice is silly noob nonsense.

 

[bigbox]

Please quote a statement of mine where I said anything remotely close to that. You're making shit up at this point. All I have said is that I am here to learn as much as possible from experienced users, but I could do without the advice on personal conduct. I'm a grown man.




He said given that I already very good size and strength that the Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - will work wonders. He said that the comments regarding liver problems are being highly exaggerated and that those problems are more common with bodybuilders who abuse the dosage over longer periods. He said that even in those cases, the body tends to return to normal functionality once you come off of the steroids. He didn't feel that a 5 or 6-week cycle (even at 100mg/day for a few weeks) would cause any problems at all. He also said that the water retention can be controlled by drinking at least 1.5 gallons of water per day, which I pretty much do already. He mentioned that by following up the anadrol cycle with Winstrol (which would make me stronger than an ox) that the vast majority of my gains would be preserved. While he certainly agreed that sustanon 250 or test ethanate is a better first cycle, he vowed that I would not be disappointed with the results from this one.

Ok, you had a bunch of vets give you advise that you were asking for, and you totally blew them off. To me that's saying "fuck you guys, you don't know what you're talking about." If you feel like walking jaundice knows more than these guys then feel free.

 

[PoweredUp]

If you just said, I know the risks and drawbacks, but don't want to pin and anadrol is all I have right now, that would be understandable.

You know that's actually not too far from the case here. I have 100 tabs of anadrol, 25 tabs of Winstrol at 50mg, and 30 tabs of Nolvadex at 20mg. I only have these because they were made available to me. I wouldn't even know where to find them (at least not from a legitimate source). I guess you are right in saying that I should have just come out in the begining and said "This is what I have, please advise on the safest way to administer." And by the way Acela....I picked up a 300-tab bottle of milk thistle after I got off from work today.

 

[socket]

You know that's actually not too far from the case here. I have 100 tabs of anadrol, 25 tabs of Winstrol at 50mg, and 30 tabs of Nolvadex at 20mg. I only have these because they were made available to me. I wouldn't even know where to find them (at least not from a legitimate source). I guess you are right in saying that I should have just come out in the begining and said "This is what I have, please advise on the safest way to administer." And by the way Acela....I picked up a 300-tab bottle of milk thistle after I got off from work today.

do your body a favour, and throw the fuckers in the bin.., It's them or your , liver, and you dont go far without a liver.

Basically if you want to look like a fat cunt for 100 days, then look like a skinny bastard again, with a fucked liver afterwards, go right ahead. Otherwise dump the anardrols.

 

[MichaelScott]

i did an abomb only cycle and a test e only cycle, i feel better with the e and i am making better solid gains from the e, abombs are too unhealthy as far as sides from e i get more negative sides from creatine, acne, etc

 

[timtim]

its not that the liver is going to fail here guys. 10 weeks of 17 aa's wont kill you. they will really hit the cholesterol hard. the cycle is plain stupid as there is no reason to run these 2 drugs as planned here. the nolvadex will not prevent gyno here because anadrol has nothing to do with estrogen but in fact raises progesterone levels. the only way to combat that is with bromo/cabaser/dostinex.

its simply a bad cycle. you will ballon up in weight (all water from the anadrol), strength will go through the roof, and then when the anadrol stops and the winstrol starts, the body weight and gym weight will crash right back down and the winstrol will not help that at all. this is a classic roller coaster of hormone levels and will result in crap.

but everyone who knows what they are talking about has been ignored and i expect nothing else.

and for the "hulk" friend, if he is seriously prescribing this cycle he is clueless. his size and strength are pointless as he is completely in the dark about what these drugs are used for. i know a ton of meatheads who will take anything they can get their hands on. i wouldnt buy shit from them since odds are it could be fake (because they are clueless) and i wouldnt take 1 piece of advice from them as their actions speak louder than words.

 

[kyoshi6]

100mgs a day is extremely liver toxic.
As for the original poster, why are you asking advice and then presenting a hypothetical situation which constitutes ignoring the advice? Listen to what's being told or shut up and just do what you want.[/QUOTE]

Damn Nelson.... you are straight forward !!! That post is the BEST advice anyone could ever give.
If someone asks for advice..then continues to do what they want; then they deserve the consequences that go along with not following advice.. My old-timer dad always said..''Listen to wisdom son'' He''s 65' I'm 41. I still listen and heed others 'WISDOM'

 

[timtim]

100mgs a day is extremely liver toxic.
As for the original poster, why are you asking advice and then presenting a hypothetical situation which constitutes ignoring the advice? Listen to what's being told or shut up and just do what you want.

they have aids patients on anadrol for high doses for much longer than 5 weeks. liver toxicity is WAY overexaggerated but still possible for those who are genetically inclined for problems. if your liver is healthy and you have no hidden health issues, your not going to go into liver failure over 5 weeks at 100mgs. im watching a guy who is a few weeks out from going for his pro card right now and hes on 100mg anadrol and Halotestin - fluoxymesterone - (not sure the dosage) and winstrol (100mg). is it bad, yea, but lets no go overboard. people on here who dont compete have hit anadrol for 100 and 150mg a day for weeks and they are still with us.

 

[Snarling Force]

I ignorantly took anadrol when I was 19, having no clue WTF if was, being a total noob. It fucked me up. Years later when I was 26, I took the advice from this board and started out with sust 500 for 10 weeks. Was a good first cycle and that is what you should do. I think you probably just want this to work so bad because you have the shit in hand and don't want to go through the process of getting the right stuff and having to wait. You have your mind set. But trust us all, don't do abombs your first cycle.

 

[PoweredUp]

I think you probably just want this to work so bad because you have the shit in hand and don't want to go through the process of getting the right stuff and having to wait. You have your mind set.

You're pretty much right on. Anadrol, Nolvadex, and Winstrol are what I have, and I am not the kind of person who will go out and seek steroids. Basically this is what is available to me, and if the net result is going to be a positive addition in muscle mass, then I want to make it work. I do not plan on doing any more cycles after these two.

I want to make clear that for all of you who felt like I was simply blowing off the overwhelming (actually, unanimous) opinions given here, that is not the case at all. When I came to this board I was 100% committed to kickstart an anadrol cycle. After reading all of your negative feedback, that dropped to less than a 50% probability. I actually went back to my buddy and told him that I was having major reservations about going through with this. There were a few reasons that I ended up deciding to do them anyway:

1) The thing that I heard more than anything was the danger to my liver. I visted mesage board after message board on this topic and pretty much all of the actual research shows that anadrol doesn't pose a serious threat to your liver on a cycle this short (5-6 weeks). Especially not at 50mg per day for the majority of the cycle. The link that I posted a few days ago on this very thread stated that studies have shown that you can do at 100mg per day for up to 12 weeks without any serious issues. So I was really beginning to think that a lot of the people hammering on the liver issue were basing it more off of legend rather than personal experience.

2) I didn't feel like I was getting nearly the feedback that I wanted from people who have actualy used anadrol. Yes, I know that 1 or 2 people said that they had used it, but on other sites like this I read from numerous anadrol users and the majority of them had positive experiences and claimed to keep the majority of their gains.

3) I know that none of you are impressed with the advice that my buddy has given to me, but we have known each other since we were in 9th grade (we're in our early 30s now). He isn't trying to make a quick buck, he isn't giving me any fake stuff, and he most definitely wouldn't try to sell me on something that he claims worked wonders for him. Now he agrees with all of you that 10 weeks of sustanon is the way to go for a first cycle, but he VOWS that I will not be disappointed with the end result of these 2 cycles. He said that as long as I keep the protein between 300-400 grams per day at the conclusion of these cycles that I should retain the majority of my gains. He estimates that would be between 25-30 pounds of quality muscle.

I know that at this point you guys are probably so sick of hammering me that you're likely done even responding to what I say. Let me just say that I truly do appreciate all of the advice that each of you provided. It did not fall on deaf ears. Hyp 1..I will definitely keep a close watch on my eye coloring. Acela...thankks for the tip on the milk thistle. To everyone else...don't be offended because I am not taking your advice. My intent on coming here was never to do what the majority recommended...it was simply to take the information and use it to help me make a final decision along with everything else that I have researched. You are all most definitely providing an outstanding service.

 

[hyp1]

ok bro,you've made your decision......and further talking won't change your mind.

just remember when you're having the overall ran down feeling IT'S SPECIFICALLY CAUSED BY THE GODDAMNED ANADROL,AND THE TAXING EFFECTS IT HAS ON YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM.when you cyle off of those orals you're going to shrink up and resemble a fucking california raisin because of estrogen overload and shut down testosterone production.I would lay money on it you and your 'friend' doesn't even have a fucking post cycle therapy planned for you and your recovery which in essence is as important to the gear itself as far as keeping any gains at all.

do what you must,and learn the hard fucking way.but when you lose every goddamned ounce of muscle you gain don't come back to these forums crying ......because I'm going to straight up tell you WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO

 

[PoweredUp]

when you cyle off of those orals you're going to shrink up and resemble a fucking california raisin because of estrogen overload and shut down testosterone production.I would lay money on it you and your 'friend' doesn't even have a fucking post cycle therapy planned for you and your recovery which in essence is as important to the gear itself as far as keeping any gains at all.

What about my Nolvadex for PCT? Isn't that supposed to block estrogen while simultaneously bringing test levels back up? I have read several places that this is a very effective post-cycle remedy for anadrol.

do what you must,and learn the hard fucking way.but when you lose every goddamned ounce of muscle you gain don't come back to these forums crying ......because I'm going to straight up tell you WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO

I know you will hyp1, and if what all of you have said turns out to be true then I'll deserve every bit of it. I am going to take some before and after shots as well as some more pics 2-3 months later.

Let me ask one other question. Do you feel that I would have better (I know that you think both cycles are shit) results if I just took the Winstrol for now?

 

[hurricane]

ur right i never used anadrol and never will .. if u insisted on an oral first cycle and wanted to pack on size 1 test &dbol cycle would have been so much better ..then those 2 cycles combine

 

[hyp1]

What about my Nolvadex for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - ? Isn't that supposed to block estrogen while simultaneously bringing test levels back up? I have read several places that this is a very effective post-cycle remedy for anadrol.


I know you will hyp1, and if what all of you have said turns out to be true then I'll deserve every bit of it. I am going to take some before and after shots as well as some more pics 2-3 months later.

Let me ask one other question. Do you feel that I would have better (I know that you think both cycles are shit) results if I just took the Winstrol for now?

nolvadex for post cycle therapy would work but you need to use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - taken @500iu's for 10 days straight,in combination with 25mgs of nolvadex for 30 days straight,the day after you take your last dose of anadrol.saying that makes me cringe like a mothefucker,because in my mind anadrol is an outdated compound there are much,much better compounds you can run that you can actually retain most of the gains.doing both of the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and nolvadex will kickstart your body into producing testosterone once again if you haven't fucked your system up severely.truth be told you're going to be overloaded with estrogen.I recommend running an anti estrogen the full time you run the anadrol to keep the water retention down,like arimidex starting @ 0.5 to 1 mg is enough

a winstrol only cycle isn't going to get you fucking anything for results and would be a total waste of money imo.if anything WAIT until you can get some injectable testosterone(which btw is seriously fucking easy)and then do a proper cycle that won't be so hard on your liver with a proper post cycle therapy you will thank yourself for it bro

 

[tampatraps]

First off, I most certainly appreciate all of the feedback. While I've done a good bit of research, this is something that I still wanted to accrue as much expert input as possible before getting started.

Let me pose a hypothetical situation. Let's say that despite all of the great advice here that I went ahead and administered the following cycles:

CYCLE 1
Week 1: Anadrol (50mg/day)
Week 2: Anadrol (50mg/day)
Week 3: Anadrol (100mg/day)
Week 4: Anadrol (50mg/day)
Week 5: Anadrol (50mg/day)
PCT - post cycle therapy - : Nolvadex (20mg/day for 30 days)

CYCLE 2
Winstrol (50mg/day) for 5 weeks

If I went ahead with this, what is reealistically the end result for me? Is hypl's prediction pretty much on par according to the rest of you? Bear in my mind that I most definitely know what I'm doing in the weight room and in terms of nutrition.

Thanks again!

Your gains will be inpressive but without test following the A-50's you will loose most all what you gain sence it was mostly blood weight. Sound like you don't want to take injections the easyest on the body, if you follow thru with your plan you need test and the winny to end with.

Tampatraps

 

[timtim]

Your gains will be inpressive but without test following the A-50's you will loose most all what you gain sence it was mostly blood weight. Sound like you don't want to take injections the easyest on the body, if you follow thru with your plan you need test and the Winstrol - stanozolol to end with.

Tampatraps

his gains will be impressive? water and pimples are impressive?

anadrol alone will make him look gross. ive seen it many times.

 

[hyp1]

his gains will be impressive? water and pimples are impressive?

anadrol alone will make him look gross. ive seen it many times.

I fucking entirely agree with this post

extreme water retention,bacne and a bad case of a pizza face isn't what I call attractive or impressive at all............then when he comes off of the cycle he's going to resemble a goddamned california raisin all shriveled up and that's extremely depressed and suicidal from losing his explosive weight gain,size and strength.

 

[tampatraps]

his gains will be impressive? water and pimples are impressive?

anadrol alone will make him look gross. ive seen it many times.

Ok guy's if you are 13 mayby but if you read the original post he is 31, I guess that sence i have only been "ON" strait with a couple of bridges for 16 years, everyone here that has used for 6 months knows everything, we are talking about someones first cycle if he is going to use this anyway tell him what to expect. I will back down I am only here to tell the truth!!!!!!!!

Tampatraps

 

[tampatraps]

I fucking entirely agree with this post

extreme water retention,bacne and a bad case of a pizza face isn't what I call attractive or impressive at all............then when he comes off of the cycle he's going to resemble a goddamned california raisin all shriveled up and that's extremely depressed and suicidal from losing his explosive weight gain,size and strength.

hyp, If you reread your post and mine you stated "losing his explosive weight gain,size and strength" don't say one thing at the beginning and end up saying the same as I did without the follow up with test.

Tampatraps

 

[hyp1]

hyp, If you reread your post and mine you stated "losing his explosive weight gain,size and strength" don't say one thing at the beginning and end up saying the same as I did without the follow up with test.

Tampatraps

tell you what posing cocksucker with only 330 posts to your goddamned name,I will say anything I fucking want to.and bragging about being on cycle with a couple of bridges for 16 years shows how fucking far you have your head up your fucking ass,especially when giving information to people new to anabolics in general.you can pose if you know your shit,but to me you're coming off like a know it all posing bastard without a fucking clue.

and just for your information i've cycled and trained hard as hell beginning in my early 20's and continued my age being 39 at the moment.

how many fucking times have I recomended that he use injectable test as a fucking base in this thread?.......stop trying to grandstand a point that's already been made by me you cunt.

 

[tampatraps]

tell you what posing cocksucker with only 330 posts to your goddamned name,I will say anything I fucking want to.and bragging about being on cycle with a couple of bridges for 16 years shows how fucking far you have your head up your fucking ass,especially when giving information to people new to anabolics in general.you can pose if you know your shit,but to me you're coming off like a know it all posing bastard without a fucking clue.

and just for your information i've cycled and trained hard as hell beginning in my early 20's and continued my age being 39 at the moment.

how many fucking times have I recomended that he use injectable test as a fucking base in this thread?.......stop trying to grandstand a point that's already been made by me you cunt.

GO FUCK YOURSELF, I WAS POINTING OUT THAT YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. JUST BECAUSE I HAVE ONLY POSTED 330 TIMES HERE, DOSEN'T MEAN THATS ALL IN MY CAREER ON THE BOARDS!!!! PLURAL MEANING MORE THAN 1 JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW!!! I THINK RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONE THING I NEED TO DO LEAVE HERE AND GO TO A BOARD THAT'S NOT FULL OF MEMBER GIVING IGNORANT ADVICE. ASK ANYONE WITH A PRO CARD AND SEE HOW MANY YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN ON RETARD!!!!

TAMPATRAPS

 

[hyp1]

GO FUCK YOURSELF, I WAS POINTING OUT THAT YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. JUST BECAUSE I HAVE ONLY POSTED 330 TIMES HERE, DOSEN'T MEAN THATS ALL IN MY CAREER ON THE BOARDS!!!! PLURAL MEANING MORE THAN 1 JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW!!! I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING I DO NEED TO LEAVE HERE AND GO TO A BOARD THAT'S NOT FULL OF MEMBER GIVING IGNORANT ADVICE. ASK ANYONE WITH A PRO CARD AND SEE HOW MANY YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN ON RETARD!!!!

TAMPATRAPS

you capital typing pissed off cunt!LOL!

I didn't contradict myself at all,I've constantly stated in this thread that anadrol and a winstrol cycle wasn't a good one at all.that he would have drastic side effects like massive water retention,acne,and a overall bad feeling in general that the anadrol would cause,maintaining his gains would be damn near impossible...not to mention how hard that shit is on his liver.

that a test based cycle would be the best for a first cycle,something you obviously fucking overlooked.you must have a fucked up habit of jumping into threads and mouthing off some shit without actually reading the whole thread.........do yourself a fucking favor and read the whole thread......which will help you remove your head from your ass.

I called you on your 330 posts because you tried to come off like an expert yet mouthing insane advice to beginners with anabolics.go hang out on your favorite board which is probably some nambla pickup site,you clueless fuck.

 

[bigbox]

you capital typing pissed off cunt!LOL!

I didn't contradict myself at all,I've constantly stated in this thread that anadrol and a winstrol cycle wasn't a good one at all.that he would have drastic side effects like massive water retention,acne,and a overall bad feeling in general that the anadrol would cause,maintaining his gains would be damn near impossible...not to mention how hard that shit is on his liver.

that a test based cycle would be the best for a first cycle,something you obviously fucking overlooked.you must have a fucked up habit of jumping into threads and mouthing off some shit without actually reading the whole thread.........do yourself a fucking favor and read the whole thread......which will help you remove your head from your ass.

I called you on your 330 posts because you tried to come off like an expert yet mouthing insane advice to beginners with anabolics.go hang out on your favorite board which is probably some nambla pickup site,you clueless fuck.

lol You are the man!!! Everytime I read one of your posts it makes my day!!! Tell it how it is!!!

 

[hyp1]

lol You are the man!!! Everytime I read one of your posts it makes my day!!! Tell it how it is!!!

thanks for the compliment bro

 

[samoth]

GO FUCK YOURSELF, I WAS POINTING OUT THAT YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. JUST BECAUSE I HAVE ONLY POSTED 330 TIMES HERE, DOSEN'T MEAN THATS ALL IN MY CAREER ON THE BOARDS!!!! PLURAL MEANING MORE THAN 1 JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW!!! I THINK RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONE THING I NEED TO DO LEAVE HERE AND GO TO A BOARD THAT'S NOT FULL OF MEMBER GIVING IGNORANT ADVICE. ASK ANYONE WITH A PRO CARD AND SEE HOW MANY YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN ON RETARD!!!!

TAMPATRAPS

Settle down and adjust your attitude if you wish to continue posting here.

Thank you in advance.

 

[timtim]

Ok guy's if you are 13 mayby but if you read the original post he is 31, I guess that sence i have only been "ON" strait with a couple of bridges for 16 years, everyone here that has used for 6 months knows everything, we are talking about someones first cycle if he is going to use this anyway tell him what to expect. I will back down I am only here to tell the truth!!!!!!!!

Tampatraps

you are clueless. wow, youve been on 16 years straight with a few bridges. youre my hero. you know everything. you are awesome. you sound like a beligerant retarded 14 year old.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Ok guy's if you are 13 mayby but if you read the original post he is 31, I guess that sence i have only been "ON" strait with a couple of bridges for 16 years,

Tampatraps

Hmm. This fact alone would seem to disqualify you from giving anything resembling reasonable advice. IMHO

 

[tampatraps]

Hmm. This fact alone would seem to disqualify you from giving anything resembling reasonable advice. IMHO

Everyone here is correct about me, I came back today just to see the replys and noticed the site addr. My advice would be for Elite Bodybuilders not Elite Fitness competators I have no buisness here, I still stand behind my advise on all my posts, but the goals for people on this board and my goals are completely different.

Tampatraps

 

[hyp1]

Everyone here is correct about me, I came back today just to see the replys and noticed the site addr. My advice would be for Elite Bodybuilders not Elite Fitness competators I have no buisness here, I still stand behind my advise on all my posts, but the goals for people on this board and my goals are completely different.

Tampatraps

it must not be easy being such a fucking poser,for someone who claims to be a 'competitor' you don't even know how to spell the word....let alone give sound advice and help to anyone.your goals must be that of trying to bullshit someone that knows you're full of shit in the first place.if it's true that

I guess that sence i have only been "ON" strait with a couple of bridges for 16 yearsTampatraps

you're a shining example of someone that has seriously abused your body and haven't the slightest clue that your body will never naturally produce testosterone ever again.....your liver must look like shit and the yellow eyed jaundice look must suit you well.

best of luck to you on your so called 'competitor' boards.

 

[tampatraps]

it must not be easy being such a fucking poser,for someone who claims to be a 'competitor' you don't even know how to spell the word....let alone give sound advice and help to anyone.your goals must be that of trying to bullshit someone that knows you're full of shit in the first place.if it's true that you're a shining example of someone that has seriously abused your body and haven't the slightest clue that your body will never naturally produce testosterone ever again.....your liver must look like shit and the yellow eyed jaundice look must suit you well.

best of luck to you on your so called 'competitor' boards.

Thanks for the nice send off, and to the people on this board you look like the shining star. Keep getting your info from the medical field to get wrong info, unless I have some kind of super human liver and kidneys. My blood work always comes back great, good enzyme levels "alway fine" so stop listening to the medical field apperentlly the Medical Practice is misinformed which make you misinformed. I guess I should just be happy about that, just keep the majority wonder why some make so much more progress.

Tampatraps

 

[hyp1]

Thanks for the nice send off, and to the people on this board you look like the shining star. Keep getting your info from the medical field to get wrong info, unless I have some kind of super human liver and kidneys. My blood work always comes back great, good enzyme levels "alway fine" so stop listening to the medical field apperentlly the Medical Practice is misinformed which make you misinformed. I guess I should just be happy about that, just keep the majority wonder why some make so much more progress.

Tampatraps

anytime,to anyone that has any common sense on any boards whatsoever they can clearly see that you're entirely full of shit.

your total of 335 total posts and your invalid advice and outright bragging about being on cycle for 16 years with a couple of bridges and thinking that your body can produce any testosterone at all from being on androgens for that amount of time is laughable at best.your nuts must be shrunken to the point of non existence,you most likely have erectile disfunction and will probably in the near future have to spend thousands of dollars for a doctor to implant a penis pump so you can bang the old skeezer you sleep with.

 

[hurricane]

anytime,to anyone that has any common sense on any boards whatsoever they can clearly see that you're entirely full of shit.

your total of 335 total posts and your invalid advice and outright bragging about being on cycle for 16 years with a couple of bridges and thinking that your body can produce any testosterone at all from being on androgens for that amount of time is laughable at best.your nuts must be shrunken to the point of non existence,you most likely have erectile disfunction and will probably in the near future have to spend thousands of dollars for a doctor to implant a penis pump so you can bang the old skeezer you sleep with.

lol hyp is 100% correct my friend recently tried to come of riods after like 20 years of abuse with non stop cycles and was gettin very sick.. he found out he cant produce test on his own ... now he gets riod with precriptions and has to use test for the rest of his life because his body cant produce it on its own

 

[tampatraps]

anytime,to anyone that has any common sense on any boards whatsoever they can clearly see that you're entirely full of shit.

your total of 335 total posts and your invalid advice and outright bragging about being on cycle for 16 years with a couple of bridges and thinking that your body can produce any testosterone at all from being on androgens for that amount of time is laughable at best.your nuts must be shrunken to the point of non existence,you most likely have erectile disfunction and will probably in the near future have to spend thousands of dollars for a doctor to implant a penis pump so you can bang the old skeezer you sleep with.

LMAO I forgot about the nuts shriking every since my vasectomy 8 years ago they don't do that anymore. About the ED sound like someone is selfconsious I am only 3 year behind you at 36 are you saying in 3 year I wll need a penis pump implanted don't think so, to bad you can't ask my wife about our sex life. I would be afraid to ask your partner I am almost certain it would be male. So Hyp MD is alway right, and hurricane MD this friend with sickness can you explain or just putting your 2 cents worth.

Tampatraps

 

[solidspine]

The nolvedex is not gear, it is for gyno
Anadrol is way to toxic, I would never use it period
Winny is not my favorite but if you do it use 50mg per day for 6 weeks


Recommendation -I would do 1000mg a week of Test E for 12 weeks

Aifm, Nolvadex= for anti e
Hcg for pct

 

[hyp1]

LMAO I forgot about the nuts shriking every since my vasectomy 8 years ago they don't do that anymore. About the ED sound like someone is selfconsious I am only 3 year behind you at 36 are you saying in 3 year I wll need a penis pump implanted don't think so, to bad you can't ask my wife about our sex life. I would be afraid to ask your partner I am almost certain it would be male. So Hyp MD is alway right, and hurricane MD this friend with sickness can you explain or just putting your 2 cents worth.

Tampatraps

that's because you didn't have any nuts to begin with you tranny bastard....you mean ask your husband about your sex life?I would rather not,don't want to risk embarrassing you and making your cry while in the fetal position in the shower like the little bitch you are.for a man that brags to have been on cycle for 16 years you've ultimately shown and disclosed your severe mentally challenged status.

 

[tampatraps]

that's because you didn't have any nuts to begin with you tranny bastard....you mean ask your husband about your sex life?I would rather not,don't want to risk embarrassing you and making your cry while in the fetal position in the shower like the little bitch you are.for a man that brags to have been on cycle for 16 years you've ultimately shown and disclosed your severe mentally challenged status.

WOW how innovative did you basically just say the same thing I did to YOU. I have to keep this going because you keep coming back with the stupidest shit ever. I am so mentally challenged by you no-hyp1 I feel my eyes starting to tear up BOOHOO!!! LMFAO!

 

[hyp1]

WOW how innovative did you basically just say the same thing I did to YOU. I have to keep this going because you keep coming back with the stupidest shit ever. I am so mentally challenged by you no-hyp1 I feel my eyes starting to tear up BOOHOO!!! LMFAO!

it's highly ironic the stupidity you fucking show,you jumped into this thread mouthing stupid shit telling me that I should make a point of telling the dude to use test as a base for his cycle when I already had numerous fucking times...and demanding that it was your idea to begin with.you must have been dropped repeatedly on your goddamned head as a child.

samoth makes a great point....if you want some more flaming ........lets take it to the chat board,there's no need to clutter the steroids discussion board with this shit

 

[Harleymarleybone]

Thanks for the nice send off, and to the people on this board you look like the shining star. Keep getting your info from the medical field to get wrong info, unless I have some kind of super human liver and kidneys. My blood work always comes back great, good enzyme levels "alway fine" so stop listening to the medical field apperentlly the Medical Practice is misinformed which make you misinformed. I guess I should just be happy about that, just keep the majority wonder why some make so much more progress.

Tampatraps

If your lipids, tryglycerides, hemocrit, etc. always comeback fine, then you have been taking fake gear all this time.

 

[tampatraps]

it's highly ironic the stupidity you fucking show,you jumped into this thread mouthing stupid shit telling me that I should make a point of telling the dude to use test as a base for his cycle when I already had numerous fucking times...and demanding that it was your idea to begin with.you must have been dropped repeatedly on your goddamned head as a child.

samoth makes a great point....if you want some more flaming ........lets take it to the chat board,there's no need to clutter the steroids discussion board with this shit

Your right why keep using space that more people who want to use or athletes (bodybuilders) get misinformed. Sorry again for comming to this board in the first place. I was just just trying to shed light and bring some truth which apparently this board isn't ready for. Out for good say what your want know it all fuck!!!

Tampatraps