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Post-Workout - Changing theories???
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Are you wanting to replace the dextrose with rice cakes? I use whey and dex myself, which is a pretty typical protocol. The GI on rice cakes is high anyway, so as long as you get the same amount of carbs, your results should be similar. Dextose is probably absorbed a little faster though. And if you put peanut butter on your rice cakes (which is one of the only ways I could get them down), the GI drops like a brick.
Makavelli
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The point of the post workout shake is to get the nutrients in asap. With that in mind, dextrose is the best source, next to Vitargo, which is actually quicker than dextrose. Vitargo is great because it doesn't cause any bloat, like dextrose. I'd stick with dextrose and whey.
Well first off Taking in High GI carbs with protein and complex carbs will cause the GI index to drop a lot depending on what exactly you are doing.
I feel the best thing and my trainer agree's as well. Immediately following your workout I have 75 gms of Cell -Tech, followed by my post workout shake which consists of 50gms Isopure protein, 130gms Maltodextrin, 2 tbs flax oil, 2tbs glutamine, mixed with water...You WILL grow from that. Then an hour later a low fat meal like Sushi. Youll have to adjust your requirments I wiegh 214lbs @ 5-6 % BF, 5'9
Give that a try for 1 month I garantee you will put on wieght.
I feel the best thing and my trainer agree's as well. Immediately following your workout I have 75 gms of Cell -Tech, followed by my post workout shake which consists of 50gms Isopure protein, 130gms Maltodextrin, 2 tbs flax oil, 2tbs glutamine, mixed with water...You WILL grow from that. Then an hour later a low fat meal like Sushi. Youll have to adjust your requirments I wiegh 214lbs @ 5-6 % BF, 5'9
Give that a try for 1 month I garantee you will put on wieght.
JKurz1
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Have some red for #1 an ignorant post, and #2 STATING your fake ass internet facts without a picture to support...........214lbs @ 5-6 % BF, 5'9..lol....cell tech huh? You and Cutler both...........then I love the flax seed mixing with insulin spike............get a grip...........2sick said:
shamrock11
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From all the studies I've read and my own experience a good post workout shake or meal will consist of a 3:1 carb to protein ratio, with the carbs being a high GI carb.
I agree, no flax post-workout because it will slow down absorption and drop the GI of the meal/drink. I've always thought cell-tech was a little silly too, but I will stay off my rant for that 
Also, a banana has a lot of fructose-which does not spike insulin, so if you are looking for a spike, its not a good choice. It's fine otherwise though.
Also, a banana has a lot of fructose-which does not spike insulin, so if you are looking for a spike, its not a good choice. It's fine otherwise though.
Makavelli
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faller said:I agree, no flax post-workout because it will slow down absorption and drop the GI of the meal/drink. I've always thought cell-tech was a little silly too, but I will stay off my rant for that
Also, a banana has a lot of fructose-which does not spike insulin, so if you are looking for a spike, its not a good choice. It's fine otherwise though.
Actually Cell-Tech is perfect with whey protein. It's just dextrose, creatine, and ALA.
Makavelli said:
Yeah, and it's really expensive too. I'd rather get dextrose at $2 a pound.
Guys, fruit doesn't only consist of fructose. There's other carbohydrates too, so a banana isn't a terrible choice, though maltodextrin and dextrose are obviously better. ie: out of the 51g of carbs a banana has, only 20% are fructose.
massatronic
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75 gms of Cell -Tech, followed by my post workout shake which consists of 50gms Isopure protein, 130gms Maltodextrin, 2 tbs flax oil, 2tbs glutamine, mixed with water...You WILL grow from that. Then an hour later a low fat meal like Sushi. Youll have to adjust your requirments I wiegh 214lbs @ 5-6 % BF, 5'9
You may disagree with 2sick but people are a bit keen to slag him off and call him stupid. You may think he's wrong, you think its not logical but he's offering an opinion, which the thread asked for!
We all know the whey + dextrose theory and have all benefited from it. (As for maltodex I thought it was added for being less sweet, I haven't seen reasons for why it is better/worse/synergistic with dextrose.) But we shouldn't be too quick to slag 2sick off. Remember when high protein came back in favour mid-nineties, scientific theory followed practice. Bodybuilders were being slagged off for moving away from high-carb diets- their reason? Becasue the protein worked and they didn't care if the science said different.
Ronnie Coleman adds olive oil to his PWshakes it hasn't turned him into the Michelin man. I've started adding a teaspoon of olive oil and a teeaspoon of cod liver oil. As ever the results are hard to judge, I think I've benefited by maybe its just a placebo affect.
You may disagree with 2sick but people are a bit keen to slag him off and call him stupid. You may think he's wrong, you think its not logical but he's offering an opinion, which the thread asked for!
We all know the whey + dextrose theory and have all benefited from it. (As for maltodex I thought it was added for being less sweet, I haven't seen reasons for why it is better/worse/synergistic with dextrose.) But we shouldn't be too quick to slag 2sick off. Remember when high protein came back in favour mid-nineties, scientific theory followed practice. Bodybuilders were being slagged off for moving away from high-carb diets- their reason? Becasue the protein worked and they didn't care if the science said different.
Ronnie Coleman adds olive oil to his PWshakes it hasn't turned him into the Michelin man. I've started adding a teaspoon of olive oil and a teeaspoon of cod liver oil. As ever the results are hard to judge, I think I've benefited by maybe its just a placebo affect.
My thinking with the banana was so few calories with a reasonably large amount of fructose won't give a decent spike. I agree its probably about 20%. I use 300 calories worth of dextrose in my drink, so a lot more than what he is getting with a banana (not including the honey).
silverbackn
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I like that! Some will disagree because of the fat from the flax, but I like the approach of having some fat in the post-workout shake.2sick said:
romoranger
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i have 60g protein and 2 rice cakes right after i workout. works pretty darn good for me.
silverbackn
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First of all, the fats will mediate the insulin response to some extent. Second of all, you think your body is going to go into lipogenesis post workout because you added 90 calories from an essential fat? It's fact that essential fats improve insulin sensitivity, your body will pump out less insulin and yet it will be just as efficient at restoring glycogen. This means you would probably in turn be less likely to store bodyfat.azul said:
When you injest fats, they take hours to get to your blood stream because they travel to the liver in lymph rather than blood. Once in the blood, they are not nearly as sensitive to insulin as glucose is (GLUT 4, the major glucose transporter which is insulin sensitive does not move lipid). Point being, if you injest fats with sugar, the insulin spike will not affect fats getting into your cells.
silverbackn
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Nice post!faller said:
Singleton
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My PWO shake is homemade, and it beats all commercial shakes.
You can add more stuff to make your shake better.
I just did "protein factory." It's fun. I mix up shit into my protein powder. Basically, I start with some good whey protein, and add stuff. This one's got designer whey as a base with bcaa's (lower cortisol) , colostrum (^ recovery), pyruvate (^ mood, energy, ^ fat loss), v12 grape flavor, creatine monohydrate, CEE, maca, avena sativa, a little ma huang (^ protein synth), a little chocamine, cinnamon (for insulin sensitivity) and fenugreek (increase glucose capacity PWO, just like arginine) (I just use ground fenugreek seed from my grocer).
I use this to wash down my life extension mix (good for many things), vitamin c (lower cortisol), selenium.
I never use dextrose or carb powders. Sometimes oats, often banana, sometimes berries. Just my preference for natural food.
Fair trade organic bananas are good, and taste delicious and you get some potassium, too.
A slice of fat free, organic wheat raisin bread is good with that.
Good info on banana ripeness and fructose/glucose content.
You can add more stuff to make your shake better.
I just did "protein factory." It's fun. I mix up shit into my protein powder. Basically, I start with some good whey protein, and add stuff. This one's got designer whey as a base with bcaa's (lower cortisol) , colostrum (^ recovery), pyruvate (^ mood, energy, ^ fat loss), v12 grape flavor, creatine monohydrate, CEE, maca, avena sativa, a little ma huang (^ protein synth), a little chocamine, cinnamon (for insulin sensitivity) and fenugreek (increase glucose capacity PWO, just like arginine) (I just use ground fenugreek seed from my grocer).
I use this to wash down my life extension mix (good for many things), vitamin c (lower cortisol), selenium.
I never use dextrose or carb powders. Sometimes oats, often banana, sometimes berries. Just my preference for natural food.
Fair trade organic bananas are good, and taste delicious and you get some potassium, too.
A slice of fat free, organic wheat raisin bread is good with that.
Good info on banana ripeness and fructose/glucose content.
silverbackn
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I feel like getting out my tie dyed shirt and sitting in a field and smoking some weed, while talking about capitalist pigs. hehe. In all seriousness, this shit is pretty well thought out. Looks like you covered all the bases. Keep grinding away bro!Singleton said:
Singleton
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No weed. Weed affects steroid metabolism. This has been proven with scientific research. Plus it seems to have a really estrogenic affect on my hypothalamus. Turns me into a whiny bitch. My personal experience.
Anyway, it's a good mix of shit, but for PWO only, you could ditch the stimulants. I drink this crap all day long. I get about 10g maca per day. Great for PCT. Oh yeah, I take other stims and ketotifen at night. Fuck, I"m in PCT and I'm up 8 lbs in 2 weeks. I love PCT. The best challenge: coming off.
Anyway, it's a good mix of shit, but for PWO only, you could ditch the stimulants. I drink this crap all day long. I get about 10g maca per day. Great for PCT. Oh yeah, I take other stims and ketotifen at night. Fuck, I"m in PCT and I'm up 8 lbs in 2 weeks. I love PCT. The best challenge: coming off.
