Post cycle therapy.

[wetback]

Ok here is the question:

Alot of people here like to use the clomid post cycle therapy.
I was wondering what anyone else suggests.

I am going to be doing a deca\sust cycle in Aug and have clomid already but I am researching other post cycle methods also. I know Deca has a tendency to shut you down and I would like to get things working again as soon as reasonably possible.

I PM Nelson for a list and dosage amount of his alternative method but no response as of yet.

This could be a really good thread for those looking into alternative methods other than the standard Clomid.

 

[lawnsaver]

OK, Nelson is a very knowledgable person, but his view on Clomid and Nolvadex are just tough to swallow. How can so many people be wrong?

HCG is key, especially while using deca. And to say Deca has a tendency to shut you down is an understatement! Deca is extremely suppressive and is very hard to recover from!

HCG should have been used throughout your cycle to prevent your testicles from shrinking, but IMHO must be used before you finish to revert any shrinkige before starting clomid. The will allow clomid to go right to work on your HPTA, without trying to revert the shrinkige first.

Clomid and Nolvadex have direct actions on the areas that regulate and create natural test production. Other anti-a's will help post cycle in controling estrogen, but you need a substance to signal things to start working again!

Maca, Avena Sativa, and Tribulus(strong extract) can have a somewhat positive effect, but not nearly the effects of the above substances.

 

[wetback]

What type of dosage for the HCG ???

And take it throughout the deca\sust cycle ????

 

[The Terminator]

What type of dosage for the HCG ???

And take it throughout the deca\sust cycle ????

Yes, throughout at ~500 iu once every week (this is what I will be doing this time out). LS may advocate 300-500 iu every 4-5 days. It comes down to fairly frequent small amounts throughout...

 

[ripper911]

Ok but if ou do not suffer from Testicular atrophy do u really need Hcg at the end??

Lawnsaver Whats your method and what doeses do you use during post cycle when using clomid nolv and arimidex

 

[Nelson Montana]

weback: Might as well answer you question here.

A big part of post therepy is choosing the right compounds. Deca is a bad choice and one which Clomid will not rectify -- even if it works for you, and it doesn't work well in a lot of people.

HCG will improve testicular size, as ripper mentioned, but will not aid in recovery. Another thing you have to careful with is using HCG for too long. It loses it's effect with over use. (desensitizing the leydig cells) Using it throughout a cycle may help cosmetically, but may actually prolong inhabition. It also doesn't stop excess e. In fact, it can increase e. Get some proviron.

Avena, maca, xanthoparmilia and chrysin are all good to use post cycle.

 

[Bishop4]

ok, if someone was to....for some ungodly reason....cycle fina100mg/deca100mg 4X per week 12 weeks and anadrol for the first month........it would be wise to take 500iu every sat/sun throughout the whole cycle correct? and then more HCG post cycle? then the usual clomid/nolva 3 weeker?

 

[lawnsaver]

Nelson, HCG at the doses I have recomended will not have any real effect on serum estrogen. I can dig up an abstract that states those doses have a minimal effect on E levels. This method of HCG is safe and effective, enough so that one of our Bros who is an HRT specialist prescibes often! Also, the small doses wont cause testicular desensitization. 3-500ius every 4-5 days will do no more than prevent atrophy without the sides of a large dose.

I would really like to know why clomid would not work with deca? I really dont understand where you are coming from.

Nelson, we truely sit on opposite sides of the fence on the subject of HPTA recovery and atrophy prevention. That ok, to each their own. As I said before, it just weird that so many people are wrong, especially when it has worked so well. I am talking about your views on clomid and n-dex.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, HCG at the doses I have recomended will not have any real effect on serum estrogen. I can dig up an abstract that states those doses have a minimal effect on E levels. This method of HCG is safe and effective, enough so that one of our Bros who is an HRT specialist prescibes often! Also, the small doses wont cause testicular desensitization. 3-500ius every 4-5 days will do no more than prevent atrophy without the sides of a large dose.

I would really like to know why clomid would not work with deca? I really dont understand where you are coming from.

Nelson, we truely sit on opposite sides of the fence on the subject of HPTA recovery and atrophy prevention. That ok, to each their own. As I said before, it just weird that so many people are wrong, especially when it has worked so well. I am talking about your views on clomid and n-dex.

I don't want to start up the whole clomid thing again other than to say that many people have come out and admitted it didn't work well for them.

In regard to the HCG, I agree that it's e elevating reputation is overstated and can be easily managed with proper dosing.