Post Cycle Therapy Questions...

[BobbyJenious]

I've been crusing this site for sometime now doing alot of searches and alot of research. Im still having trouble grasping the idea of post cycle therapy. I know what to use and what combats what as far as nolva, clomid, hgc, liquidex, etc. My questions are as follows:

Is being shut down due to the amount of gear being used, or the time on, or even not enough recovery time between cycles?

Also, if I am running 300mgs/250mgs per weeks of deca and test enan. for 8 weeks, will i be shut down and need to implement anit-es or can i recover on my own?

Basically i just need a basic rundown of when, and when not to implement PCT.

Thanks Bros, Appreciate the help,
BJenious

 

[n1tro]

I don't think you will need an anti -E but Deca is known for causing progestone induced gyno which needs bromo or dostinex to stop it. Personally I've used deca at 500mg per week without anything and no gyno - I may have just been lucky so dont think it will be the same for you, it may or may not be the case.
PCT starting two weeks after the last inject
Clomid 100mg first two days then 50mg ed for another 12 days
Nolva 40 ed for the two weeks with Clomid.
Some say you need to run Clomid longer than this but I don't find it necessary.

 

[BobbyJenious]

So clomid is a must? even an 8 week duration i wont be able to recover naturally?

 

[n1tro]

It's so cheap why not use it, do you really want to risk it?

 

[n1tro]

You will definitley be shut down.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

So clomid is a must? even an 8 week duration i wont be able to recover naturally?

I would not say Clo is a must. I think a HCG regimine with nolva afterwards will do the trick. I think 1 nolva = 100mg clo as far as efective against estrogen. Aveena sativa helps as well as zinc and a few other supps, like unleashed.

The point is you want to get your natural test levels back before you lose your gains.

 

[Mr. Black]

get your natural test levels back before you lose your gains.

Thats not always necessarily the outcome...it is actually possible to keep your gains with pretty much zero testosterone. I once ran a deca cycle, gained 25lbs and held onto 20lbs even though 2 months post cycle my test values were 50ng/dl...allthough I don't recommend this

 

[BobbyJenious]

Thats why i ask, granite everyone is different, im hearing alot of mixed reviews as far as PCT is concerned.

 

[n1tro]

I have also gone a test deca cycle without the use of PCT but I htink it was foolish. Personally I think using clomid and Nolva PCT leads to a faster and more effecient recovery, the outcome being just feeling better overall. Just my opinion.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Thats not always necessarily the outcome...it is actually possible to keep your gains with pretty much zero testosterone. I once ran a deca cycle, gained 25lbs and held onto 20lbs even though 2 months post cycle my test values were 50ng/dl...allthough I don't recommend this

20 lbs of fat & water or 20lbs of muscle? Amazing either way, but generally speaking PCT is supposed to help get natural test levels back to normal. I think we agree on that.

 

[Mr. Black]

I found it quite amazing as well. Didn't lose much strength or size and still finished lean with all my abs. But yeah getting your test back up quick is defintely a good thing

 

[BobbyJenious]

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