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panerai said:
This is very true. In fact, Proviron, if taken post cycle could actually hinder HPTA recovery.
I never said that Proviron restores HPTA -- just that it removes estrogen and lowers SHBG. HCG doesn't restore HPTA either and even the studies on Clomid are sketchy in regard to HPTA restoration (most " recovery" took weeks -- which would happen in most cases anyway) but it's a moot point if you experience all the negitive sides of Clomid. At any rate, I don't want to turn this into yet another CLomid debate. I believe the only thing that truly helps recovery is time. All ancilliary assistance , be it pharmaceutical or natural, only helps to ease the crash for the most part.
The evidence for most herbs in anecdotal, but quite convincing nontheless. Realize that there aren't too many organizations willing to spend hudreds of thousands of dollars on studies for something that may or my not prove benificial to bodybuilders. (There aren't even many studies on the use of anabolics for enhancement purposes. That doesn't mean they don't work) That's why you see so many "University Studies" as references in supplement ads. Basically, a supplement company can pay some college kids to do some tests and make "conclusions" in their favor. Neverthless, there have been some controlled studies on the ingredients mentioned and the feedback is impressive. On the "Articles" page for "Unleashed" , "Post-Cycle" and ZIP! there are about 10 references each regarding studies on the effectiveness of the ingredients if you want to read them.
The evidence for most herbs in anecdotal, but quite convincing nontheless. Realize that there aren't too many organizations willing to spend hudreds of thousands of dollars on studies for something that may or my not prove benificial to bodybuilders. (There aren't even many studies on the use of anabolics for enhancement purposes. That doesn't mean they don't work) That's why you see so many "University Studies" as references in supplement ads. Basically, a supplement company can pay some college kids to do some tests and make "conclusions" in their favor. Neverthless, there have been some controlled studies on the ingredients mentioned and the feedback is impressive. On the "Articles" page for "Unleashed" , "Post-Cycle" and ZIP! there are about 10 references each regarding studies on the effectiveness of the ingredients if you want to read them.
J
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panerai said:
Never said it was a fact. I said it "could" hinder HPTA recovery.
Proviron is slightly suppressive, but the good outweighs the bad in certain cases if it's used correctly.
young guns
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KOArtist said:
in this case it does. the purpose of clomid is recovery of natural test production - to restore the HPTA. in order to do this, the body needs to increase it's test production while lowering the heightened levels of estrogen that result from the cycle. in some, clomid has cause depression, gyno, ect. - all estrogenic sides. this is an indication that in some people clomid acts as an estrogen and is not an anti-estrogen. so, it's ineffective in that even if it does get test going again by increasing LH, it's still not solving the estrogen problem. and even if it does act as an anti-estrogen and does not cause any negative sides, it's still not completely effective because anti-estrogens only bind receptor sites, therefore they don't decrease levels of estrogen, only how much estrogen binds to the receptors. as the HPTA is restored, estrogen will level out as test returns to normal, but as nelson said, this is the result of time, and not clomid. aromatase inhibitors are the only thing that will decrease circulating estrogen, but my understanding is that they alone aren't the recovery answer either.
Goldprospector
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Nelson, I have taken Avena on an empty stomach on a regular basis...I can not tell if there is any difference than taken with food. I can honestly say theat I have not noticed much effects from it at all...I usually always have morning wood when I am not taking it. But I thought I would give it a shot anyway just as I will be trying out the "Post Cycle" product that you have brought to our attention. I think I will also give the "Zip" a shot because I am getting less and less sleep from T-rex. I am having to take one cap in the morning an no more..If I go with more, then I am up sweating and pissing all night long.
