Possible first cycle though many will disagree

[Delinquent]

I know a lot of you guys will disagree with the dosages but after researching and asking around, I would rather start out lite than increase if need be in the future. The only reason the sust is in there is to combat possible deca dick. I already know that I am most likely gyno prone due to having puffy nips which is why I don't want to increase the deca dosage to 400. Clomid will begin on week 15 at 300mg the first day followed by 100mg/ed for 10 days. Then 50mg/ed for the next 10 days. The only question I have is how many guys that have done a deca only cycle or something similar to this have experience progesterone induced gyno with only 300mg? I know Ranger has but who else? I'm considering adding winny in there if some can say they have gotten gyno from this. Suggestions, flames, etc welcome


WEEK1 300 250
WEEK2 300 *
WEEK3 300 250
WEEK4 300 *
WEEK5 300 250
WEEK6 300 *
WEEK7 300 250
WEEK8 300 *
WEEK9 200 250
WEEK10 200 *
WEEK11 200 250

 

[kingc_79]

i was debating the same thing with fina but i'd say throw a lil winny in there just in case. idecided to go wit 40mg /ed wks 4-8

 

[Delinquent]

Yea I was thinking about adding 50mg/ed just to be sure. It couldn't do anything but help.

 

[Delinquent]

Does anyone have any suggestions, critisms, etc???

 

[muscleup]

I would say it's not bad if you must use Deca as a base for your cycle...at 300 mgs a week you should not have any progesterone gyno but just in case run the winny at 50 mg a day....other than that looks good.

 

[Delinquent]

For some reason I want to try the deca route first to see how I react to it. Like 2Thick and others that I have been reading in the archives, deca is a great choice for a first cycle. Even though most on here suggest a heavy test dosage, something is keeping me from taking their advise. I don't know if it's logic or something else. I can't figure it out. In any event, I will do this cycle or a variant of this hopefully in the next few months so I would like advise before then if you wouldn't mind

 

[SwitchedOn]

YOU ASKED FOR FLAMES- WELL HERE IT COMES!!!!!!! just playin bro. Looks good except for your taper at the end. Why not use the last sust inject in the first week as a frontload and add the week 11 deca to weeks 9-10 to up those weeks to 300. In other words:

week 1: 300mg deca, 500mg sust
weeks 2-10: 300mg deca, 250mg sust
clomid post cycle

I've heard both stories as far as progesterone induced gyno- some get it at low doses and others use high doses and have no symptoms. Sounds like you have the winny on hand so there's not much more you can do to combat it. Good luck and happy growing bro.

 

[2Thick]

Because you have chosen the logical route, I will be brutally honest with you. The route you have chosen will only yield significant results if you work hard on your diet and training. As you may know, Deca's results are highly dependent on the amount of protein that is digested. I made "digested' bold faced because not all of the protein you ingest is actually digested and utilized by your body. You will need to buy and use ginger root and papaya tabs.

Your diet will determine your results. Your training will be secondary but almost as important. Finally sleep and rest is also significant. The dosage is the last thing you should think about.

With such a cycle you can see 12-20 pounds in gains and with a proper post-cycle regime, you can keep most of what you gain (minus the water weight).

I would suggest using creatine and l-glutamine post cycle along with proviron for 2 weeks at 50mg/day.

Did I leave anything out?

 

[Delinquent]

Thanx for responding to my thread. From all the past posts I've read, I fully understand the discipline it takes. I would rather focus on my diet and training regime rather than gear to yield my results. From what I have read, this would be good anyways due to it requiring more discipline.

 

[rich197]

if you are gyno proned i might use EQ instead of deca.

 

[hamper19]

my first and only cycle to date ...was a deca only cycle at 200mg/wk for 8 weeks......although a weak cycle to many...i gained 8 pounds...however...i am thinking my nips got pufft a few weeks after stopping the cycle....I did no clomid or anything post cycle so this could have been a problem...but at 200mg...i dunno....from what i know now...i would have done clomid...and too steps to insure no progesterone gyno........at 300mg...i dunno... i would say better safe then sorry..right....it wouldnt hurt to take the precautions...if u can afford it throw in winny...get some from ** his shit is good i hear....im planning on doing some myself soon....my .02 is....at 200mg a week.....i think i noticed some....most will say you will not have to worry under dosages less then 400mg/week....but.....this is my exp........

h19

 

[MadCow1]

Everyone is different - but keep in mind that 50mg of winstrol a day is not "throwing in a little winny just in case." It adds 350mg weekly which is > than your deca. 50mg of winny is not a tiny amount as most of these posts would have you believe.

 

[G-Force]

I agree 50mg EOD should be enough to block the PR if you're injecting but you'll need to take 50mg ED if you're drinking it and 50mg ED does give you a nice kick!

 

[The Iron Game]

winny really needs to be taken on a daily basis, especially if using it for the reason suggested

 

[Delinquent]

Ok after researching a little more, I am going to add the winny at 50mg/ed. The question I have is that some suggest add it around week four when the deca will most likely kick in, but then some suggest starting the winny a week before the deca to make sure you're not susceptible to progesterone induced gyno. Which would be the best way and if I do start it before the deca, I assume I would have to run throughout the entire cycle right?