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I can't wait to hear the various pundits trying to explain tommorow night how the managed to get it wrong...yet again:


WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 — President Bush on Sunday seized on the conviction of Saddam Hussein as a milestone in Iraq, seeking to rally Republican voters with the issue of national security as some polls suggested that his party might be making gains in the final hours of the campaign.

A Pew Research Center Survey released on Sunday found that the number of likely voters who said they would vote for the Democrats was now 47 percent compared with 43 percent who said they would vote for Republicans. Two weeks ago, Democrats had an edge of 50 to 39. A Washington Post-ABC News poll found a similar tightening.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/06/u...93450-82t885ACWM/xilv/VwKTzg&pagewanted=print
 
ok, i will be honest...i am extremely nervous.

if the gop loses control of the house, it's over.
 
LH is a computer generated bot by Bush & Co. for propaganda purposes.
 
A botched job over a botched war? That's all you guys hanging onto?

No indictments?

No arrests?

No kicked out of office scandals?

A botched joke? Wow, grasping at straws.
 
If the democrats control congress while a republican in president the stock market is doomed.
 
slat1 said:
If the democrats control congress while a republican in president the stock market is doomed.
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That's what I'm thinking too. I'm out of stocks (for the most part) right now.
 
AAP said:
A botched job over a botched war? That's all you guys hanging onto?

No indictments?

No arrests?

No kicked out of office scandals?

A botched joke? Wow, grasping at straws.
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mostly it's the economy
war is a tough deal to do perfect
IMO we won too quickly and instead of killing most of saddam's henchmen they surrendered or deserted only to return as insurgents etc.
but it's a lot better than if saddam had done the right thing and pooled all his military assets into Baghdad and created a cityfight
that would have been brutal
 
It's amazing that repubs point to Kerry's gaff and make it out like it simply erases all the crimes, arrests, downfalls and boo-boos they have accumulated.
 
No matter what else happens... as long as all 3 (senate house admin) are not controlled by the same people (dem or rep) I'm cool with it. And since I want this (gop) admin out in two years... Im hoping the dems can only gain control of one or other this week and not both.
 
TADHealth said:
No matter what else happens... as long as all 3 (senate house admin) are not controlled by the same people (dem or rep) I'm cool with it. And since I want this (gop) admin out in two years... Im hoping the dems can only gain control of one or other this week and not both.
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That's an interesting comment.

I forget the source, but someone did some polling recently around the idea of split governement and an incredibly large percentage of Americans were in favor of it (something like 75%+).

There were a few follow-up questions and it really boiled-down to the notion that they didn't want either party doing much of anything.

People will take this as yet another nasty conservative slam, but I think that's part of the magic of Bill Clinton. He didn't really do that much, had gridlock in Congress, and people genuinely liked him.
 
slat1 said:
If the democrats control congress while a republican in president the stock market is doomed.
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I don't think so because that forecast is already built into the current prices
I think GOP retains the senate,the dems can have the house
it's 2 years from now when it gets serious
and the dems are hard at work getting ready to fuck that up running hillary
 
Its called having a check and balance system.

There were a few follow-up questions and it really boiled-down to the notion that they didn't want either party doing much of anything. Could not be farther from the truth. You cant pass bullshit just because "you are in control" and Abramoff sends you a check.. But you can get things passed that are good for the country and agreed upon by both sides.
 
AAP said:
It's amazing that repubs point to Kerry's gaff and make it out like it simply erases all the crimes, arrests, downfalls and boo-boos they have accumulated.
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we all know there's plenty of that crap to go around
there's 535 congressmen
you take 535 people of any segment and you're going to get some shit out of a few
I'm not even a serious republican,I tend to vote republican
but locally I go with whom I have a better feel for
and in general I vote democratic for judicial positions,actually I vote almost exclusively democratic for judges
right-wing religious zealot judges scare me as much as any fool pelosi type
I like a guy such as leiberman too,and I said back in '04 in a post reply to you AAP that I'd vote for him
 
hell I thought it was cool clinton had sex in the oval office with a chcik half his age
fuck hillary is lesbo
if I was prez I'd have a 3some in the oval office
just because I could
 
AAP said:
It's amazing that repubs point to Kerry's gaff and make it out like it simply erases all the crimes, arrests, downfalls and boo-boos they have accumulated.
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PR my friend. Politics are all about making something look bigger than it is. Dems and GOP do the same.
 
manny78 said:
PR my friend. Politics are all about making something look bigger than it is. Dems and GOP do the same.
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The GOP makes their own scandals look bigger by having so many.
 
mountain muscle said:
I smell a bookie event...

All the Repubs need is for Slat to bet on the Dems.

Problem solved.
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I'd love to do bookie events on some of these races
but I can't find any odds
I could probably invest some time and handicap a dozen races fairly well and set up some decent odds
but to do it right I'd have to spend at least an hour on each race
sorting the bullshit from the real opinion is what makes politics hard to figure
and I wouldn't do some lame ass averaging of the polls
polls are filled with bias
 
AAP said:
The GOP makes their own scandals look bigger by having so many.
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Biggest problem with the GOP (and that's actually true with canadian conservatives too) is that unfortunately, they still hang out with the religious zealots. Leave them on the side and they'd actually get rid of most scandals.
 
well hell
If I wanted to make some real coin I could invest the time and do it for real
contact bodog,which already has numerous entertainment events and submit a proposal
there's a reason why the common sentiment is you don't discuss politics and/or religion
because people are serious passionate about it,like football for example
but you can discuss football
and you can bet on it
betting on your religion isn't an option for obvious reasons
but betting on political outcomes would be attractive
they do it in the UK,but I can only find odds on the '08 prez elections
which are dems-133,rep+105
 
AAP said:
The GOP makes their own scandals look bigger by having so many.
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now come on man, you have to admit, BOTH the gop and the dems play this crap game. You bash the gop for the same crap the dems pull. It's politics at it's core and honestly, as conservative as I am on just about every issue, I want an independent in there to shake things up. I really think independents are how the majority of people really think, but they can't break thru the wasted vote syndrome.

I'm just glad that the frigin political ads will be off the TV and radio a couple years. I am SO sick of hearing them.
 
rykertest said:
now come on man, you have to admit, BOTH the gop and the dems play this crap game. You bash the gop for the same crap the dems pull. It's politics at it's core and honestly, as conservative as I am on just about every issue, I want an independent in there to shake things up. I really think independents are how the majority of people really think, but they can't break thru the wasted vote syndrome.

I'm just glad that the frigin political ads will be off the TV and radio a couple years. I am SO sick of hearing them.
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Dems didnt attack Iraq in a purely "powergrab" manuever. Or any country for that matter.
 
I think we should realize that the left is no better than the right, however, the left wants to take as much of my money as they can and that is bullshit in all languages. My money, not theirs.
 
TADHealth said:
Dems didnt attack Iraq in a purely "powergrab" manuever. Or any country for that matter.
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what "powrgarb"?
bush,cheney,kennedy,kerry etc have plenty of money
 
manny78 said:
Biggest problem with the GOP (and that's actually true with canadian conservatives too) is that unfortunately, they still hang out with the religious zealots. Leave them on the side and they'd actually get rid of most scandals.
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yeah we know that
the fat guys getting no sex
 
4everhung said:
what "powrgarb"?
bush,cheney,kennedy,kerry etc have plenty of money
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The GOP powergrab.

Here is the entire Iraq war summed up for you and everyone else...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/16/AR2006091600193.html

... dont bother making excsues. The are willing to sacrafice our brothers and sisters in order to further their attempts at gaining wealth and influence. And this accomplishes their powergrab and at the cost of our sons and daughters who are in Iraq fighting for a GOP lie.
 
TADHealth said:
Dems didnt attack Iraq in a purely "powergrab" manuever. Or any country for that matter.
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Yeah well bush didn't lie under oath about boinking some intern in the oval office. See thats my point, BOTH sides constantly screw up, play games and they try and blame the other side. For one side to say the other is wrong is kind of a joke. It's "the pot calling the kettle black" in it's purest form.
 
TADHealth said:
The GOP powergrab.

Here is the entire Iraq war summed up for you and everyone else...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/16/AR2006091600193.html

... dont bother making excsues. The are willing to sacrafice our brothers and sisters in order to further their attempts at gaining wealth and influence. And this accomplishes their powergrab and at the cost of our sons and daughters who are in Iraq fighting for a GOP lie.
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and the dems are looking to sacrafice my brothers and sisters before they are even born becaose of someones "accident". You are obviously unable to look at this objectively. I am a diehard rebublican and I'll be the first to admit they are always pulling crap that is a joke, wrong, etc and playing politics and I'm a bush supporter that is very tired of this iraq mess. The dems play these games as well. For you to sit there and say one side is more guilty that the other is one of the most close minded and absurd things ever poste don this board. You know the old saying, when you are pointing a finger at someone, 3 are pointing back at you.
 
rykertest said:
Yeah well bush didn't lie under oath about boinking some intern in the oval office. See thats my point, BOTH sides constantly screw up, play games and they try and blame the other side. For one side to say the other is wrong is kind of a joke. It's "the pot calling the kettle black" in it's purest form.
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I swore not to get involved in these anymore but are you seriously comparing boinking an intern to the farce that is Iraq? Wow.
 
bluepeter said:
I swore not to get involved in these anymore but are you seriously comparing boinking an intern to the farce that is Iraq? Wow.
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Of course not don't be absurd. It was an example of wrong doing no matter how severe and an example to show that both sides do wrong to all extremes. You know I didn't mean that literally.
 
bluepeter said:
I swore not to get involved in these anymore but are you seriously comparing boinking an intern to the farce that is Iraq? Wow.
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As much as it blows, lying under oath is lying under oath. :(
 
TADHealth said:
Its called having a check and balance system.

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Not really. A lot of people think that having split party power is checks and balances but this is not the case.

Checks and balances refers to separation of powers (Judicial, Legislative and Executive). Has nothing to do with party.

Personally, I'd rather see one party control the Congress and the White House. That way they can get policies into action. If the policies don't work, we know exactly who to blame.
 
bluepeter said:
I swore not to get involved in these anymore but are you seriously comparing boinking an intern to the farce that is Iraq? Wow.
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I was always told "you play like you practice".
 
Longhorn85 said:
Not really. A lot of people think that having split party power is checks and balances but this is not the case.

Checks and balances refers to separation of powers (Judicial, Legislative and Executive). Has nothing to do with party.

Personally, I'd rather see one party control the Congress and the White House. That way they can get policies into action. If the policies don't work, we know exactly who to blame.
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Republican Judicial, Republican Executive and Republican Legislative.

BUT the Executive Branch has the ability to do a whole lot more nowadays. I like the setup, I just dont like the leader.
 
rykertest said:
THANK YOU.
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That was a nice attempt at obfuscation but you compared the two on an equal level. And you just did it again by thanking patsfan for supporting your assertion. I agree with your contention that both parties are equally guilty of abuse and hypocrisy but your posts here indicate you are just as partisan as you accused tadhealth of being.

Anyway, cheers to the democratic process everyone and hopefully everything runs smoothly regardless of result.
 
bluepeter said:
Anyway, cheers to the democratic process everyone and hopefully everything runs smoothly regardless of result.
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Thanks for your well wishes, but I'm hoping for a GOP victory and collective whining and gnashing of teeth on the part of liberal politicians and punditdry.
 
bluepeter said:
That was a nice attempt at obfuscation but you compared the two on an equal level. And you just did it again by thanking patsfan for supporting your assertion. I agree with your contention that both parties are equally guilty of abuse and hypocrisy but your posts here indicate you are just as partisan as you accused tadhealth of being.

Anyway, cheers to the democratic process everyone and hopefully everything runs smoothly regardless of result.
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Just an FYI, I think the that Impeaching Clinton for a blowjob(lying under oath) was retarded but allowing everything Bush Co has done - go unpunished is abhorrent.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Thanks for your well wishes, but I'm hoping for a GOP victory and collective whining and gnashing of teeth on the part of liberal politicians and punditdry.
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lol, that will happen regardless of result. I'm just hoping there are ZERO irregularities so that the whining is at a minimum. ;)

Unfortunately, I'm already reading about FBI investigations of voter intimidation and problems with voting machines.
 
rykertest said:
and the dems are looking to sacrafice my brothers and sisters before they are even born becaose of someones "accident". You are obviously unable to look at this objectively. I am a diehard rebublican and I'll be the first to admit they are always pulling crap that is a joke, wrong, etc and playing politics and I'm a bush supporter that is very tired of this iraq mess. The dems play these games as well. For you to sit there and say one side is more guilty that the other is one of the most close minded and absurd things ever poste don this board. You know the old saying, when you are pointing a finger at someone, 3 are pointing back at you.
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Bull fucking shit.

The DEMS are not ordering a single person to have an abortion. They are not attacking those mothers and children. That would be the MOTHERS making those choices. Not some party. Totally unlike the Iraq war.

You are the one who lacks objectivity.
 
TADHealth said:
I object to your dumbass being allowed in public.

Is that objective enough? :chomp:
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regardless of your petty insult, you are very biased
just like I am
the difference is i admit it, you do not
 
TADHealth said:
Bull fucking shit.

The DEMS are not ordering a single person to have an abortion. They are not attacking those mothers and children. That would be the MOTHERS making those choices. Not some party. Totally unlike the Iraq war.

You are the one who lacks objectivity.
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WRONG AGAIN. I totally support our military but lets be honest, they know what they are getting into when they sign up. They VOLLUNTER to fight and while I commend them for that, they make a decision and should accept war an even death as a possibility. That is the reality of it all.

They vollunter to fight and the decision to be sent overseas can be made FOR THEM and they can be killed. They die for our protection and freedom and that of others as is this case. But lets remember they did sign up for this and made that brave decision to in effect give up their lives so that I (all of us) can be free.

Babies are killed every day without any say in it whatsoever and why? Because someone forgot to wear a condom or was too drunk to put it on the vast majority of the time. In other words, murder is used as a form of birth control. (FYI, before u use this as an argument, I'm not talking about a woman that is raped or in danger of loseing her life so don't even go there.)

So what we have is an adult of sound mind making a concious decision to go to fight for their country. They may die but they know the possiblities going into it.

On the other hand we have babies being killed without any say for a pathetic reason.

I wish both of these instances never had to happen, but they do and they both suck.

On a seperate note, for any of you in the military, my pesonal thanks for all you do and for allowing my family and I to live in peace and sleep well at night and to VOTE. God bless you. This day of voting is what it is all about regardless of party affiliation. What saddens me is how there are Americans that don't vote. This is the basis for what makes us different and so blessed compared to other countries. We get to decide who runs the show. For those of you that don't vote, your opinion means nothing to me. This conversation we are having here (disagreement actually) shows just how blessed we are. In other countries, one of us could very well be killed for our views. I think your view tadhealth is the biggest pile of dung I have heard, but I am glad you are free to share it.
 
what was the election turnout percent in Iraq?
it was really high,I think in the neighborhood of 80%
it definitely was higher than the typical US %
 
Longhorn85 said:
Thanks for your well wishes, but I'm hoping for a GOP victory and collective whining and gnashing of teeth on the part of liberal politicians and punditdry.
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why do you guys insist on setting yourself up for ridicule on top of defeat?

Unless Rove and his rigging schemes are operative AGAIN, clearly the dems take the congress, and a decent shot at taking the senate.

a complete and utter repudiation of the imbicile and his policies awaits you with tommorrow mornings newspapers.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Thanks for your well wishes, but I'm hoping for a GOP victory and collective whining and gnashing of teeth on the part of liberal politicians and punditdry.
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If a liberal found a way to cure AIDS you would still find some reason to degrade them. You should really reconsider your decision be a tool for one political party.
 
4everhung said:
I know
these people really want what we here take for granted
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They don't want it badly enough. We had a revolution to get it.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Prepping the battlefield early to make exuses for losing.
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You were pretty smug yesterday.

But now you've got egg on your face.
 
Kiss Virginia Good Bye Longhorn!!

LMAO!

PURE GOLD!
 
Longhorn85 said:
People risked their lives to vote.
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Iraq was on lock down during voting. It was safer to vote on those 2 days in Iraq than it is to drive to work in the US.

LOL!!!

Also...

Buh bye maccaca allen.

Did you see....Santorum is gone? Did ya.
 
Enjoy yourselves, this is a good day for liberals. Congratulations to those who wanted this.

Bright spots as far as I can see:

Joe Lieberman won as an Independent thanks to GOP help, and I'm glad.

Maybe the GOP will keep the Senate.
 
The only thing the GOP is smelling this morning is utter defeat.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Enjoy yourselves, this is a good day for liberals. Congratulations to those who wanted this.

Bright spots as far as I can see:

Joe Lieberman won as an Independent thanks to GOP help, and I'm glad.

Maybe the GOP will keep the Senate.
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You're a gracious man dude. Cheers.

Looks like the Senate might fall Dem as well at this point. Let's all hope that these fools that supposedly represent the public's interest can find a way to work TOGETHER. It's rather tiresome seeing the constituency ignored in favour of partisan politics.
 
Finally, it's done. Now we can get back to talking sets and reps.


So which protein meal is best before bed?
 
YEAH!!! NO MORE POLITICAL RADIO AND TV COMMERCIALS FOR EITHER PARTY!

My side lost but at this point with all the bombardment of ads the last 2 months, I'm just glad it's over with.
 
Mr. dB said:
You were pretty smug yesterday.

But now you've got egg on your face.
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I still haven't forgiven his sorry ass for calling me a liar when I had to pull out of our race with pulled hamstrings. Now, the truth emerges. I still await an apology.
 
biteme said:
I still haven't forgiven his sorry ass for calling me a liar when I had to pull out of our race with pulled hamstrings. Now, the truth emerges. I still await an apology.
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Oh, now its pulled HAMSTRINGS? Both of 'em, huh?

You wimped out and everyone knows it.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471361

After I return to the states, if you get your nerve up, we can actually run the race.

Then you will have no more excuses.
 
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Iraq was on lock down during voting. It was safer to vote on those 2 days in Iraq than it is to drive to work in the US.

LOL!!!

Also...

Buh bye maccaca allen.

Did you see....Santorum is gone? Did ya.
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Casey isn't a liberal, though. I'd consider him moderate to conservative on some issues. Hell, he's probably a little right of Specter.
 
ok, i would rather have satan's handpicked minions in control of the house than the democrats.

however, i am kinda glad republicans lost. why do i say that? because they had complete control of the house, senate, and whitehouse, and they still could not get shit done.

they tried to be 'compassionate conservatives' (aka liberal republicans) and that is what cost them.

santorum started out good, but he turned out to be a political hack, so i am glad he lost his seat. same goes for lincoln chafee...that guy was as liberal as any democrat.

hopefully this sends a message the GOP higher ups that they cannot take our vote for granted anymore.

they could have done so much...but they never came through. so, this current bunch doesn't deserve to be running the special olympics let alone the government.
 
p0ink said:
ok, i would rather have satan's handpicked minions in control of the house than the democrats.

however, i am kinda glad republicans lost. why do i say that? because they had complete control of the house, senate, and whitehouse, and they still could not get shit done.

they tried to be 'compassionate conservatives' (aka liberal republicans) and that is what cost them.

santorum started out good, but he turned out to be a political hack, so i am glad he lost his seat. same goes for lincoln chafee...that guy was as liberal as any democrat.

hopefully this sends a message the GOP higher ups that they cannot take our vote for granted anymore.

they could have done so much...but they never came through. so, this current bunch doesn't deserve to be running the special olympics let alone the government.
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Which is the real reason the Republicans lost, alienating their base through fiscal irresponsibility and the border issue. In fact, Bush was hoping to get his border legislation passed now that the Democrats are in control. I don't agree with amnesty which is why I'm glad the House tabled it.
 
redguru said:
Casey isn't a liberal, though. I'd consider him moderate to conservative on some issues. Hell, he's probably a little right of Specter.
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Yeah, he's a moderate. Yeah!

I like moderates.
 
Actually the Repubs lost because of Bush, his poor performance, the scandals and indictments and general overall shitty condition the party is in.
 
Patsfan, a neo-con is a social libertarian who sides with Conservative thought on matters of foreign policy, notably during the Cold War. Thanks for the red, though.
 
Longhorn85 said:
I can't wait to hear the various pundits trying to explain tommorow night how the managed to get it wrong...yet again:


WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 — President Bush on Sunday seized on the conviction of Saddam Hussein as a milestone in Iraq, seeking to rally Republican voters with the issue of national security as some polls suggested that his party might be making gains in the final hours of the campaign.

A Pew Research Center Survey released on Sunday found that the number of likely voters who said they would vote for the Democrats was now 47 percent compared with 43 percent who said they would vote for Republicans. Two weeks ago, Democrats had an edge of 50 to 39. A Washington Post-ABC News poll found a similar tightening.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/06/u...93450-82t885ACWM/xilv/VwKTzg&pagewanted=print
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Pay dirt:
2. any source of success or wealth; a fortunate discovery or profitable venture

Looking a tad less profitable than what they had grown accustomed to. Perhaps they will adapt and find new avenues of exploitation.
 
chesty said:
I think we should realize that the left is no better than the right, however, the left wants to take as much of my money as they can and that is bullshit in all languages. My money, not theirs.
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I lose an IQ point every time I read a chesty post.




And I can't spare than many points.
 
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Mavafanculo said:
why do you guys insist on setting yourself up for ridicule on top of defeat?

Unless Rove and his rigging schemes are operative AGAIN, clearly the dems take the congress, and a decent shot at taking the senate.

a complete and utter repudiation of the imbicile and his policies awaits you with tommorrow mornings newspapers.
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This bro is on top of things.
 
democrats won because the republicans did not deserve to control congress anymore. they didn't win because they deserved it or because people agree with their hair-brained, communist propaganda - they just won by default.

i am probably happier the republicans lost than t-boy is happy about his party, which encompasses all that is evil, winning.

the republicans repeatedly fucked over their base and only grudgingly gave them just enough to forget the ten other ways they got screwed.
 
see? bush is already giving the democrats what they want - rumsfeld's head.

nancy pelosi is just going to go into his office and tell him how to run the show.

hello open borders.

the republicans now are the same as the bush 41 republicans. they don't deserve shit.
 
atleast we got rid of some of the liberals in republican clothing.

now we just have to take care of these shitbags:

snowe
specter
mccain
martinez

i'm sure there are more, but these are the most obvious.
 
gotmilk said:
When did we have closed borders? Some douchbag fucking fence is not going to keep the border safe. Another brain dead Bushy idea.
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A safe border was not on the plate. Big money for Bush cronies is.

Am I biased?
 
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