Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey guys, had a quick ?. Im looking in getting into law enforcement (police Dept) Ive done about 3 cycles in the past will it be a problem for me to get in? I know most of them test for other drugs like marijuana,coke, etc. will they test for AS? Please respond. thanks guys.
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You should be fine on the drug test, but the psych test will be tough. They will hammer you about your past, especially about activities that were unlawful, including giving a polygraph. Also, be prepared for a background check, which may include talking to friends,family, relatives, and past employers.
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
solidspine
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I have a friend who is a cop in San Diego, according to him half of the force is on gear and he is thinking about it himself. And this is guy is a straight as an arrow Mormon. If he says it I'm sure it is true.
GonnaBeAGearHead
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If they ask you tell them you did gear while you were in mexico where its legal
If they ask you tell them you did gear while you were in mexico where its legal
ROIDJUNKIE
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They dont all give polys
good luck and never bust a gearhead!
good luck and never bust a gearhead!
1abbig
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when i did my aplictaion for the PD, i answered no to all there drug questions on the writtenn questionairew. when the detective came in and started questioning me , he asked me about each of the drugs listed. and he asked me if i new what they were and i told him, no , thats why i answered them the way i did. he said ok and sent me to the next phase of recruitment. i completed all and was waiting for my school seat, and then decided to join the marine corps at the age of 25..
oh well. i love my job, and the pay sucks in both places..
oh well. i love my job, and the pay sucks in both places..
ItalMonster
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Hey guys,
I just got done with the interviewing process as of last Friday.
On the polygraph they asked me if I used any of the following drugs.... IT WENT ON FOREVER, at least 20-30 different drugs, then came the steroids....
I said "Yes."
Then I was asked "When was the last time you used?"
Me-"About 2 months from yesterday(I'm cutting now)"
Them-"Do you understand that steroids are illegal in the United States of America and it is a felony to use and/or possess."
Me-"Yes sir."
After that they went into more drugs....
At the end, they thanked me for my time and directed me down the hall to the Police department psychologist.
That was fun stuff...... LOL
To me it seems that psychologists have the easiest jobs...
I wouldn't worry bro, a friend from my high school football team's father is in the PD where I was getting tested, he openly juices, along with I'd say 50-60% of the force.
I just got done with the interviewing process as of last Friday.
On the polygraph they asked me if I used any of the following drugs.... IT WENT ON FOREVER, at least 20-30 different drugs, then came the steroids....
I said "Yes."
Then I was asked "When was the last time you used?"
Me-"About 2 months from yesterday(I'm cutting now)"
Them-"Do you understand that steroids are illegal in the United States of America and it is a felony to use and/or possess."
Me-"Yes sir."
After that they went into more drugs....
At the end, they thanked me for my time and directed me down the hall to the Police department psychologist.
That was fun stuff...... LOL
To me it seems that psychologists have the easiest jobs...
I wouldn't worry bro, a friend from my high school football team's father is in the PD where I was getting tested, he openly juices, along with I'd say 50-60% of the force.
The polygraph is the big hurdle as others have said. From what I have heard, injectibles will disqualify you for sure. There are larger departments that are having problems recruiting so they are loosening up on hiring qualifications. You used to have to be atleast a certain height and marijuana use would disqualify you. Now you can be 3' tall and as long as you speak spanish and have a somewhat descent background you're in.
ItalMonster
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When I was at the NYPD entry test, some of the guys taking it, 1) were scrawny little punks that couldn't handle a nasty woman, 2)All looked like cocky bastards, and 3)looked like they never ran or touched weights in their life... I actually felt bad for some of the guys.
When I took my poly, they didn't ask oral/injectable... Just did you use steroids... That's it... But I guess if they ask what kind, just say oral to be on the safe side... And also, deny deny deny EVER smoking marijuana, two of my friends were eliminated from the Miami and Boston PD's for admitting using.... They've been clean for well over 2 years, and they still didn't care, excused them from the whole process.....
When I took my poly, they didn't ask oral/injectable... Just did you use steroids... That's it... But I guess if they ask what kind, just say oral to be on the safe side... And also, deny deny deny EVER smoking marijuana, two of my friends were eliminated from the Miami and Boston PD's for admitting using.... They've been clean for well over 2 years, and they still didn't care, excused them from the whole process.....
ItalMonster
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I will know on this Friday at 3pm....
But then I wouldn't start police academy until September.... So, I'll keep you guys posted to whether they didn't like my answers and didn't want my services..haha
But then I wouldn't start police academy until September.... So, I'll keep you guys posted to whether they didn't like my answers and didn't want my services..haha
I like the idea of saying you used in Mexico where it is legal. If they give you the poly, I still like this idea. The polygraph doesn't really "know" that you are lying, it simply measures certain bodily changes that "may" indicate you are lying - e.g. they measure heartbeat and twitching or something along those lines.
Some people are able to "pass" a polygraph test even though they are lying through their teeth. They are able to stay calm and not get all nervous like most people do when they lie.
If they detect irregularities or changes in response to certain questions, that doesn't conclusively prove a "lie", although it may show nervousness or discomfort. If they hammer you, you can just say that your response was truthful, but that the questioning about steriods made you uncomfortable because you are aware that possession of steriods is illegal in the U.S.
Some people are able to "pass" a polygraph test even though they are lying through their teeth. They are able to stay calm and not get all nervous like most people do when they lie.
If they detect irregularities or changes in response to certain questions, that doesn't conclusively prove a "lie", although it may show nervousness or discomfort. If they hammer you, you can just say that your response was truthful, but that the questioning about steriods made you uncomfortable because you are aware that possession of steriods is illegal in the U.S.
Linares868
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The only problem you might encounter is when you are asked if you did any drugs which includes anabolic steroids on your lie detector test.
The reason they give you a poly is to see if you have been honest with them about your past, everything. If you know you can't lie your way out of it, tell the truth. They will ask why you did it during the interview process. Say whatever then. You may not get hired at that city but you will show your integrity to them.
holyintellect
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Everyone has given some great info, so heres mine. I lied, and said I had never tried drugs. I also beat the polygraph twice. Its not as hard as people would have you believe.....
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dbol_winstrol
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I'm pretty sure LAPD and LA county test for juice at time of application and they do give poly.
SirWanksalot
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the absolute best way to pass a polygraph is to "push a tack into your big toe"
Honest get an old thunb tack and shove it in the bottom of the big toe and place your sock and shoe back on.
Do this just prior to the test
Your mind occupies itself on the sharp but controllable pain in your toe, you will base-line through out test
works every time
Sirwanksalot
Honest get an old thunb tack and shove it in the bottom of the big toe and place your sock and shoe back on.
Do this just prior to the test
Your mind occupies itself on the sharp but controllable pain in your toe, you will base-line through out test
works every time
Sirwanksalot
Delinquent
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yep that tack thing works. Another one is if you forget your tack or it falls out of place is to squeeze and tighten your rectum. I know it sounds pretty f'ed up but it's the same principle as the tack.
nexus7
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Bubba said:Ronnie must of started after he joined the force. Ohhh, wait, He's on celltech and creatine.
See now thats what I dont get with the US police dept - oh AS are baaad...and you can go to jail - but Ronnie...well thats not the same, is it now... He is one of them and he makes them proud even though anybody with half a working brain cell knows he's got to be on to be this huge!!!...
So much hypocrisy -
Nathan
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Were I you, I'd lie about ever using. If the poly doesn't go so well with the AS use question, tell them the only explanation you could think of for why you failed on that question would be because some of your friends use steroids and you have seen their gear or something so the question made you nervous. They may want to do the poly again though, in which case just relax. How the fuck will they ever know you juiced? You're the only one who could tell them and the worst case scenario is that they might not hire you.
All of the ones i've taken the most important thing is that you're honest about the drugs. A friend of mine took one and he is straight and narrow, never did any drugs, and the guy kept asking him that he's sure he never even smoked a little weed? Their main concern is when is the last time you did anything. It looks bad if you say, oh ya, I just stopped last month.
And the polygraph, if you don't use a tack, all you have to do on each question is curl your toes real hard until they hurt. Guy asked me three different times what my name was because it was registering funny, so then on the hard questions it read the same as when he asked my name.
And the polygraph, if you don't use a tack, all you have to do on each question is curl your toes real hard until they hurt. Guy asked me three different times what my name was because it was registering funny, so then on the hard questions it read the same as when he asked my name.
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LT24
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Cops every where!!!
HOLY SHIT!!!! there are a ton of cops on this discussion board.....
What's up with that?????
Yikeeeesss.....LOL
HOLY SHIT!!!! there are a ton of cops on this discussion board.....
What's up with that?????
Yikeeeesss.....LOL
When taking a polygraph use two methods. The first is the tack, this helps, but you don't have to kill yourself with it. The second involves the tack and mental trickery.....moer mental though, may not even need the damn tack. In the beginning, they ask you some establishing questions, questions which they know the answer too. This develops a base for your body reaction. They will ask you your name, age, sex, addy, things they know. Now, when they ask you these questions, use the tack when answering, or your can just make yourself nervous as hell by thinking about stupid shit like, your girlfriend finding out you fucked that sheep, or thinking about not getting a boner when you are at a orgy. These thoughts will cause your body to give off the nervous, oh shit feeling. Then when they ask you the serious questions, be as calm as possible, think of stupid things like puppies or something, in other words, get in touch with your femanine side. This tactic will allow more lee way for questions to slide. Just try to be as calm as possible when getting asked the huge ones, and then be as jittery as possible when getting asked the established ones. You could always ask for a break after the established ones and then go to the bathroom and take a hand full of valium or vicodin. HAHAHAHA
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Yellowbomber
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when ronnie became a police office you will be a US Marshall
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manny78
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Well its probably the same in u.s.a but I'm getting into the RCMP in Canada and they dont test for AS at all... I've even been told by someone that amny of them were on juice since the physical test to get in where damn tuff .... but be prepare for a polygraph or anything like that I heard there were some technics to pass the lye detector (hold your breath...check it out on Google.com) .... To be honest I started juice for the law enforcement .. otherwise i would be sitted on my fat ass watching some T.V. so just care about the polygraph or the enquiry they cold perform on your relatives........
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LT24
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Urine Test.....
Deca can be seen 18 months "after" a cycle in urine test......
Did your cycle consist of Deca? & If so was it more than 18 months ago?
Deca can be seen 18 months "after" a cycle in urine test......
Did your cycle consist of Deca? & If so was it more than 18 months ago?
badgermilk
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Urine Test........
Yes!!! If you take a urine test and they are looking for AS they will find it.......
Yes!!! If you take a urine test and they are looking for AS they will find it.......
slowtwitch
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Depends on the force.
If THEY want you on, you'll get on. Helps to have friends who are already on.
If THEY want you on, you'll get on. Helps to have friends who are already on.
Deny everything in a poly------Put ben Gay under your arm pits to make it look like your nervous for every question------If asked about steriods say no but if hammered tell them that you took some stuff from a vitiman store (you dont remember what it was--but Mark McGuire was taken the same stuff) and you were kind of nervous about that----
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plifter
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I thought federal law prohibited employers from using a polygraph?
I'm not a cop yet , I'm waiting for my old lady to get out of school befor I take that huge ass pay cut !!
most of the cops I know juice or have since they were a cop and believe that cops should be able to , it helps give them an edge over the public. The only cops that don't agree are the skinny little runts that became a cop just so they woulden't get picked on any more. How often do you think people fuck with Ronnie Coleman !!!
Hit it brother and if they don't like it go to another department.
most of the cops I know juice or have since they were a cop and believe that cops should be able to , it helps give them an edge over the public. The only cops that don't agree are the skinny little runts that became a cop just so they woulden't get picked on any more. How often do you think people fuck with Ronnie Coleman !!!
Hit it brother and if they don't like it go to another department.
not to sweat is the key.
If you look like a juicer they will think about it. Remember they biuld a 'book' on you that carries though till you get your number. even if you said 'NO' and pass a piss test, someone they interview might 'suggest' it. Then its a probing question. Have buds in the academy that were on deca, and they passed.
Always depends on city/state too. Some can give a shit, other its a big issue if the department has had problems.
Think 'I did not inhale' Works for Prez.
Best of luck ... welcome to club.
If you look like a juicer they will think about it. Remember they biuld a 'book' on you that carries though till you get your number. even if you said 'NO' and pass a piss test, someone they interview might 'suggest' it. Then its a probing question. Have buds in the academy that were on deca, and they passed.
Always depends on city/state too. Some can give a shit, other its a big issue if the department has had problems.
Think 'I did not inhale' Works for Prez.
Best of luck ... welcome to club.
Police departments in the UK do not test for steroids. I would imagine USA doesn't either. The use of recreational drugs spreads to the whole of the population. Anyone could have taken or are taking cannabis, cocaine, barbituates etc. But steroid abuse is restricted to a minority. A drug test for this would be inappropriate and expensive. I would imagine this is only used when an officer is suspected of steroid abuse and under some sort of investigation. This has been known, and, if they are long serving, they are simply given therapy and are back on the streets in no time. I have seen this first hand.
As far as poly's go, it's well known that it takes a special person to be able to control emotions under pressure, and even more so thought processes. It's practically impossible, this is why the poly test is so accurate. Answers are one worded because any more than that and they cannot get an accurate representation of your pulse rate etc. Also if someone is nervous from the start they will see this, and will only continue when you are calm. If one persists in using some sort of 'tac' method to remain nervous, then they will be suspicious and it will be unlikely you will get the job. In all honesty i'm really amazed that they use poly's in USA or anywhere for that matter. Even murder suspects are not compelled to take a poly. I'm sure there is some ethics issue with this. Poly's cause extreme stress. I'm suprised this is allowed, especially in these times.
As for Ronnie Coleman, he's no longer a cop. I'm suprised people still don't know this.
As for the guy that was questioned by a detective........because you were applying to the police!!! ??They haven't got better things to do than question every guy that applies to the police?? I'm amazed. USA is a crazy place.
Peace
As far as poly's go, it's well known that it takes a special person to be able to control emotions under pressure, and even more so thought processes. It's practically impossible, this is why the poly test is so accurate. Answers are one worded because any more than that and they cannot get an accurate representation of your pulse rate etc. Also if someone is nervous from the start they will see this, and will only continue when you are calm. If one persists in using some sort of 'tac' method to remain nervous, then they will be suspicious and it will be unlikely you will get the job. In all honesty i'm really amazed that they use poly's in USA or anywhere for that matter. Even murder suspects are not compelled to take a poly. I'm sure there is some ethics issue with this. Poly's cause extreme stress. I'm suprised this is allowed, especially in these times.
As for Ronnie Coleman, he's no longer a cop. I'm suprised people still don't know this.
As for the guy that was questioned by a detective........because you were applying to the police!!! ??They haven't got better things to do than question every guy that applies to the police?? I'm amazed. USA is a crazy place.
Peace
fifteyfive91
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I've been a cop for seven years, so here's my bit of advice (which turned into a dissertation)...hope it helps. I work for a midsize agency (app. 1600 officers) so they basically test for the common drugs of abuse (ie. cocaine, mj, etc...). Testing for anabolics is something of a specific nature that would be cost prohibitive when testing two hundred guys for each open position, so as far as the chemical part of the process I don't think you need to sweat it too much. As far as the polygraph, this is what I would recommend.
Putting aside our personal views on the subject, AS are illegal in the U.S. If you admit to using them regularly you may get disqualified. (Although I hope it works out for ItalMonster). Make a decision before you enter the polygraph room if you are going to categorically deny or admit. Before the actual test you will have a long interview with the polygraph tech. The polygraph tech is most likely going to be a veteran detective, who has spent years talking guys into admitting shit that sent them to jail for years. If you try and play games with him, he will see through your b.s. in a second. Either complete denial or admit openly (ie. forget about Mexico use, one time in high school or anything else like that...AS are not recreational drugs where you would just try them to see what happens or out of peer pressure...they know this). After the interview he will administer the test. The test will be approximately ten questions, all requiring a yes or no answer. Before the ten questions he will ask you three, maybe four simple questions(name, addr, etc). These are questions which will norm you and provide them a base to judge your later responses against. Everyone who goes in the room is gonna be nervous, no matter if he's lying or not. The technique you might wanna use other guys have touched on already. Basically you want to raise the tension in your body during the "norming" questions and and remain as calm as possible during the other questions. I would try restricting the anal sphincter over the tac method simply because if your somehow caught with that tac you are completely out of gas. They will know what your doing and you can forget about being the police in that jurisdiction. Believe me most guys get slammed before they even get to the machine because during the interview they try and b.s. the poly tech and he takes their lies and forces them into trying to give facts based on those lies which is impossible. That's why I said your better off deciding ahead of time for a blanket denial or not. One last thing...if you do deny, look him straight in the eye and do not flinch. He's looking for body language during that interview also. Sorry I got so long winded but I'm trying to give you as complete a picture as I can.
Putting aside our personal views on the subject, AS are illegal in the U.S. If you admit to using them regularly you may get disqualified. (Although I hope it works out for ItalMonster). Make a decision before you enter the polygraph room if you are going to categorically deny or admit. Before the actual test you will have a long interview with the polygraph tech. The polygraph tech is most likely going to be a veteran detective, who has spent years talking guys into admitting shit that sent them to jail for years. If you try and play games with him, he will see through your b.s. in a second. Either complete denial or admit openly (ie. forget about Mexico use, one time in high school or anything else like that...AS are not recreational drugs where you would just try them to see what happens or out of peer pressure...they know this). After the interview he will administer the test. The test will be approximately ten questions, all requiring a yes or no answer. Before the ten questions he will ask you three, maybe four simple questions(name, addr, etc). These are questions which will norm you and provide them a base to judge your later responses against. Everyone who goes in the room is gonna be nervous, no matter if he's lying or not. The technique you might wanna use other guys have touched on already. Basically you want to raise the tension in your body during the "norming" questions and and remain as calm as possible during the other questions. I would try restricting the anal sphincter over the tac method simply because if your somehow caught with that tac you are completely out of gas. They will know what your doing and you can forget about being the police in that jurisdiction. Believe me most guys get slammed before they even get to the machine because during the interview they try and b.s. the poly tech and he takes their lies and forces them into trying to give facts based on those lies which is impossible. That's why I said your better off deciding ahead of time for a blanket denial or not. One last thing...if you do deny, look him straight in the eye and do not flinch. He's looking for body language during that interview also. Sorry I got so long winded but I'm trying to give you as complete a picture as I can.
FriarFuckk
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Law Enforcement / Steroid use
The biggest problem you will have is like most people have stated is the Polygraph, which about 85% to 90% Dept's do. Forget all the shit about a tack in your shoe or curling your toes, if you are serious about passing the polygraph and getting a job go to www.polygraph.com all you need to know about passing that piece of shit test is on that WS. Once you know how to get pass that test as long as you have never been arrested for steroids, LIE LIE LIE in your background invest. Whatever you have done in your lifetime all that background investigator needs to know is that you experimented with Marijuana 5 or less times while you were in High school or College, no California Agency will EVER hire you if they know you have done Acid, Shrooms, Peyote, or even some forms of Cocaine or Meth. If you tell them you have never done any drug, they will think that you are lying even if you are telling the truth. With the exception of LAPD and LASO I haven't heard of any Agency testing for steroids (thank god!) they only test for Narcotics in your blood. Your psychological test is hit or miss, if they don't like that you don't get along with your Father or think that you are to aggressive they will fail you, most of the time that is the last step though so you will have nothing to worry about.
I don't know what state you're in but California has the highest standards of all states for hiring Law Enforcement. I am not going to say whether I am working or have worked in Law Enforcement for obvious reasons, but I will tell you this, about 50% maybe more Cops,Deputys,etc have done or are currently juicing. It's funny cause there are so many people paraniod about Cops and 'roids, from my experience unless your standing in the street shooting some Sustanon in your ass most Cops have much, much better things to do that bullshit is left for the DEA and FBI. After all I have never seen anybody rob a store for more Deca.........not saying it couldn't happen, HELL... if I keep paying what I am paying I'm kinda thinking about taking down the corner 7-11!!
Hope I helped you out.........GOOD LUCK!!!
The biggest problem you will have is like most people have stated is the Polygraph, which about 85% to 90% Dept's do. Forget all the shit about a tack in your shoe or curling your toes, if you are serious about passing the polygraph and getting a job go to www.polygraph.com all you need to know about passing that piece of shit test is on that WS. Once you know how to get pass that test as long as you have never been arrested for steroids, LIE LIE LIE in your background invest. Whatever you have done in your lifetime all that background investigator needs to know is that you experimented with Marijuana 5 or less times while you were in High school or College, no California Agency will EVER hire you if they know you have done Acid, Shrooms, Peyote, or even some forms of Cocaine or Meth. If you tell them you have never done any drug, they will think that you are lying even if you are telling the truth. With the exception of LAPD and LASO I haven't heard of any Agency testing for steroids (thank god!) they only test for Narcotics in your blood. Your psychological test is hit or miss, if they don't like that you don't get along with your Father or think that you are to aggressive they will fail you, most of the time that is the last step though so you will have nothing to worry about.
I don't know what state you're in but California has the highest standards of all states for hiring Law Enforcement. I am not going to say whether I am working or have worked in Law Enforcement for obvious reasons, but I will tell you this, about 50% maybe more Cops,Deputys,etc have done or are currently juicing. It's funny cause there are so many people paraniod about Cops and 'roids, from my experience unless your standing in the street shooting some Sustanon in your ass most Cops have much, much better things to do that bullshit is left for the DEA and FBI. After all I have never seen anybody rob a store for more Deca.........not saying it couldn't happen, HELL... if I keep paying what I am paying I'm kinda thinking about taking down the corner 7-11!!
Hope I helped you out.........GOOD LUCK!!!
Perfection
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Lots of officers on this board!! I begin the first phase of getting on the roster this evening. We do the obstacle course. I will be pissed if I do not get level 1. I wish you all luck. Oh tell me about the Civil Service exam????????
Justtryingnot2getfat
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so many cops here - great! now we know who to sic on these scammer scum.. "well, sarge, I received an annonomous tip".
Better yet as a cop bust yon local dealer whenever you're in need of your next cycle - "well, I would have let u go son, but darnit, howcum u werent carrying any ttokkyo EQ??? this brovel crap isnt worth taking"
j/k
Better yet as a cop bust yon local dealer whenever you're in need of your next cycle - "well, I would have let u go son, but darnit, howcum u werent carrying any ttokkyo EQ??? this brovel crap isnt worth taking"
j/kDealing with the polygraph...
I'm not sure... But there is someone who knows quite a bit about the polygraph.
First of all, much of the advice given on this thread, while probably well intentioned, is pretty far off base. Let me say say in advance that I mean no disrespect to any member of this forum. Nonetheless, some of the advice being given is very misinformed, and can get those who follow it into quite a bit of trouble.
DO NOT, under any circumstances, admit to use of anabolic steroids, or any other felony. The primary use of the polygraph is as interrogation prop. Rule #1 is to make no damaging admissions. You can always contest a polygraphers decision (although not always effectively). On the other hand, if you admit a felony (they often make you write a signed statement), in addition to getting your disqualified, it can follow you around forever as you apply to other deparments.
Plifter, the 1988 Employee Polygraph Protection Act prevents only private sector employers from using the polygraph. Unfortunately, the government is completely exempt from this legislation.
Absolutely not. While stepping on tack in your shoe can be an effective physical countermeasure, polygraphers have developed an effective counter-countermeasure for this technique: they can simply ask you to remove your shoes. Furthermore, some late-model polygraphs are equipped with a strain gauge which is placed under the front legs of the polygraph chair. A warning is provided to the polygrapher when the examinee shifts his weight in the chair. If you plan to use physical countermeasures, you are much better off biting your tongue (practice in the mirror--it can be done invisibly), or, contracting the anal sphincter muscle. Furthermore, mental countermeasures (thinking exciting thoughts, subtracting from 954 by sevens) also produce significant physiological responses that polygraphers associate with deception. With an arsenal of equally effective techniques that carry no risk of detection if properly performed, there is absolutely no reason to put a tack in your shoe. Lastly, the best you will do is an inconclusive result unless you know exactly when to perform the countermeasures.
For complete info on the trickery behind the polygraph, visit AntiPolygraph.org. This is a completely non-profit organization dedicated to the abolsihment of the polygraph. While you are there, I suggest reading the free book available for download, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. It explains the trickery on which polygraph "tests" are based , how they work (and don't), and how anyone can use simple countermeasures to defeat the them. The site was founded by a number of individuals who were wrongly accused by this arbitrary, pseudoscientific process.
Also of interest to the readers on this site is a story in the Polygraph News about a Kansas City bodybuilding show where all contestants were to be polygraphed.
I'm not sure... But there is someone who knows quite a bit about the polygraph.
First of all, much of the advice given on this thread, while probably well intentioned, is pretty far off base. Let me say say in advance that I mean no disrespect to any member of this forum. Nonetheless, some of the advice being given is very misinformed, and can get those who follow it into quite a bit of trouble.
DO NOT, under any circumstances, admit to use of anabolic steroids, or any other felony. The primary use of the polygraph is as interrogation prop. Rule #1 is to make no damaging admissions. You can always contest a polygraphers decision (although not always effectively). On the other hand, if you admit a felony (they often make you write a signed statement), in addition to getting your disqualified, it can follow you around forever as you apply to other deparments.
Actually, anyone, truthful or deceptive, can easily defeat the polygraph and produce a truthful chart. The common belief in American popular culture that only psychopaths and those who "believe their own lies" can beat the polygraph is nothing more than a myth. Better yet, there is a non profit site online that explains in full detail how to do it--for free.
Plifter, the 1988 Employee Polygraph Protection Act prevents only private sector employers from using the polygraph. Unfortunately, the government is completely exempt from this legislation.
Absolutely not. While stepping on tack in your shoe can be an effective physical countermeasure, polygraphers have developed an effective counter-countermeasure for this technique: they can simply ask you to remove your shoes. Furthermore, some late-model polygraphs are equipped with a strain gauge which is placed under the front legs of the polygraph chair. A warning is provided to the polygrapher when the examinee shifts his weight in the chair. If you plan to use physical countermeasures, you are much better off biting your tongue (practice in the mirror--it can be done invisibly), or, contracting the anal sphincter muscle. Furthermore, mental countermeasures (thinking exciting thoughts, subtracting from 954 by sevens) also produce significant physiological responses that polygraphers associate with deception. With an arsenal of equally effective techniques that carry no risk of detection if properly performed, there is absolutely no reason to put a tack in your shoe. Lastly, the best you will do is an inconclusive result unless you know exactly when to perform the countermeasures.
For complete info on the trickery behind the polygraph, visit AntiPolygraph.org. This is a completely non-profit organization dedicated to the abolsihment of the polygraph. While you are there, I suggest reading the free book available for download, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. It explains the trickery on which polygraph "tests" are based , how they work (and don't), and how anyone can use simple countermeasures to defeat the them. The site was founded by a number of individuals who were wrongly accused by this arbitrary, pseudoscientific process.
Also of interest to the readers on this site is a story in the Polygraph News about a Kansas City bodybuilding show where all contestants were to be polygraphed.
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supertech69
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I would lay off of it untill after you get in. Then you can prolly get away with it.
Linares868
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It depends on the department now adays. If you admit to smoking pot in college once or twice and told them you were foolish and did it under pressure of friends etc. then it wouldn't matter. I think now admitting to taking the juice will possibly not help your chances especially on the damm poly. Maybe you should just says no and take the chance. Those polys aren't accurate. Good luck.
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