Please help with long term/low dose DNP

[Judo Tom]

Hey guys...

Ok i know i am kinda new here but ive been around a while and have posted more on bb.com... I do need some expert advice..

1 this is not for me it is for a female family member who is obese and has thought about seeking out gastric bypass surgery to lose the weight.

she has tried exercising and has kept a pretty good diet for a while without much success at all.. her doctor has said that her metabolism is slow and losing weight will be increasingly difficult now

she then sought out the gastric guy and is thinking about that..

CKD diets have not worked aerobics have not worked... and steroids are not an option..

this is leading me to think about DNP for her.. ok i know recommending dnp to my sister seems a bit weird but im not even at that stage yet but i know there is research out there that supports what i am thinking about...which is a longer low dose cycle of dnp

I know about all the safety aspects and can instruct her on how to stay on the safe side..

my questions are as follows and I honestly appreciate any real help youguys can give out..

ok if she was to do a 1 month 200mg a day (the wetted type) and kept a resonable diet.. what type of weight loss could/should she expect..

im guessin at this dosage working would not be a problem and the sweats should not be as well..

she is also concerned that the weight will just yo-yo back..

ok sorry to be so long winded but this is really hitting home here.. please give as much advice/suggestions

Thanks in advance..

 

[Japanese machine]

what is her current stats height/weight/bf% and/or any medical probs in her family history.....

check your PM

 

[Greek Freak]

I wouldnt stay on that long, cycle it for shorter periods of time.

 

[Ceebs]

My personal opinion is that DNP would be a very bad idea, but if I were to answer the question hypothetically, she could drop ~20 pounds in a month on it.

Are you sure she's obese because she has a sluggish metabolism? Do you monitor her workouts and every morsel of food that goes into her mouth? The last thing you want to give her is the idea that a "magic pill" will do the work for her. If she wants to lose weight permanently, she needs to change her lifestyle. Gastric bypass surgery seems a better solution in this case.

BTW, if she has a legit reason for being overweight, then I apologize, but obesity due to a true medical condition is rarer than people think.

 

[Andy13]

Bro-- I'm going to give it to you straight.. Not going to sugar coat it..


(Many?) Obese people will have you believe they have some kind of physical problem preventing them from losing weight... How else are they supposed to explain why they have failed every diet, exercise, or prescription drug plan they have ever tried???

The difference in people's basal (resting) metabolic rates is minimal.. Furthermore, the more 'mass' you have, the more calories/day you actually expend in order to maintain that loss..
So your sister probably has a higher resting metabolic rate than one of her "skinny" friends..


In other words, what I'm trying to tell you is that your sister either eats too much food or does not workout enough. The weight is not going to come off overnight and she has to accept that fact and be patient...


Convince your sister and yourself that she is not helpless... Her problem of over-eating can be solved...

Perhaps the surgery may be her best option, but only if it teaches her how to eat in moderation..

Andy

 

[Judo Tom]

btw I do appreciate you not sugar coating anything...

you might be totally correct.. i am going to try to monitor what she is eating and how much she is working out as much as i can... i am not positive because i do not live with her...

well first do you have any experience with the surgery.. i have yet to start researching this because she is going to give me her doctors website and i will start there and then research the surgery as much as possible as well..

I would love if she could just do it naturally.. I mean i know so many people that have just toughed it out and gotten it done but i can not make her take that route.. i mean i can not make her take any route.. i just want to help her find the best way to loose this weight.. obvisouly natural is the best but if she fails at that she will take the next step.. and i know she has thougt about dnp clen/t3 and the surgery.. so i am just trying to educate myself as much as possible to help her out..

so please any more advice/options out there keep them coming..

Thanks.....

 

[Andy13]

btw I do appreciate you not sugar coating anything...

you might be totally correct.. i am going to try to monitor what she is eating and how much she is working out as much as i can... i am not positive because i do not live with her...

well first do you have any experience with the surgery.. i have yet to start researching this because she is going to give me her doctors website and i will start there and then research the surgery as much as possible as well..

I would love if she could just do it naturally.. I mean i know so many people that have just toughed it out and gotten it done but i can not make her take that route.. i mean i can not make her take any route.. i just want to help her find the best way to loose this weight.. obvisouly natural is the best but if she fails at that she will take the next step.. and i know she has thougt about dnp clen/t3 and the surgery.. so i am just trying to educate myself as much as possible to help her out..

so please any more advice/options out there keep them coming..

Thanks.....

From numerous people I've talked with and tried to help, I can tell you that SHE will lose the weight when SHE is ready. A lot of obese folks ARE obese because of some underlying psycological reason-- this can be depression caused from any sort of thing from being picked on as a kid to getting dumped by her first love... But, most obese folks have a comfort with food-- they get a satisfaction like feeding an addiction..

I'm somewhat against chemical solutions (DNP, clen) for weight loss for these folks.. A lot of docs would put her on phentermine (an amphetamine derivative) to suppress her appetite.. This works for some-- they find other things they like to do that takes the place of food as a "comforting agent." But for others, their appetite comes back with avengence when they stop..

I don't know much about the procedure you mentioned.. Is it permanent? If not, it may very well teach her how to eat in moderation (I've heard that people who have had this done get sick when they over-eat).

Also, when I said that SHE will decide when she wants to lose the weight.. I meant that, when a person gets determined to lose weight, NOTHING will stop them.. I once knew a guy who lost a shit load of weight.. He knew nothing about dieting and exercise.. Only that cup-cakes=bad, cardio=good... He took 2 busses to the gym.. He was determined to lose weight.. And he did..

Meanwhile there are people who will find any excuse in the book to NOT go to the gym.. they will convince themselves that they cannot lose weight and it is not in their control... You can't let your sister believe such things.. Be supportive.. Show her that what she needs is a lifestyle change-- she needs to become a different person...

Andy

 

[Hbone]

Need more info, Is she a cronic undereater that binges or eats crap food when she does eat???

How are her moods, any determination of insulin resistance???

 

[Judo Tom]

ok first thanks again.. you guys are being cool and giving sound advice and not being d1cks and i do appreciate it..

ok thyroid and obesity run in the family.. but im not positive if its genetics or lifestyle that brings this on.. but we have lots of large people in the fam.

i can not monitor her 100% but from what she tells me is that she looses some weight lets say 20lbs.. then continues to diet and exercise and no more weight comes off. even if she takes a break and then goes back at it... now im not there maybe there are late nite snacks or too many missed workouts..

all i know is that she is going to do something about it.. i am trying to get her to do it naturally but i also know she is thinking about drugs (dnp or clen/t3) i have just heard way to many horror stories about the surgery.. but perhaps i should be more open minded to this...

she is kinda depressed about her weight.. because her husband is like 205lbs and about 6% bf she is also just kinda depressed in general..

im not sure how i could tell you if she is insulin resistant or not .. help me out..

again any additional help would be great...

btw.. so far she has been listening to me and reading more on ckd and am cardio.. im hoping this willbe a good start b4 anything else is done...

thanks

 

[gotgear?]

since thyroid problem run in the family, i would not recommend dnp. dnp cycles longer than 7 days have a dramatic effect on the endocrine system.

even if she did lose weight with dnp, if her eating habits dont change, she will gain the weight back.

 

[Hbone]

does family have a history of hypoglycemia, Since history of thyroid problem she needs blood work.

tsh
t-4
t-3
t-7
also test for hashimotos disease, body attacks its own thyroid hormones. Much of our obesity is caused by over indulgence, but there are still cases where it has a hormonal cause.

 

[Ceebs]

Okay, I'm calling bullshit on this one.

First she can't lose weight because her doctor says she has a "slow metabolism", now she's able to lose up to 20 pounds before she plateaus? That's an awful lot of weight. There's definitely something she's not telling you here. I think if there's any medical problem preventing her from losing weight, it's depression (which Andy mentioned), not a slow metabolism.

I would suggest that you urge her to adopt the mindset of "what can I DO to lose this weight", rather than "what can I TAKE to lose this weight".

 

[beefybull]

That gastric surgery works. A relative of mine had the surgery and has lost over 100lbs. You lose a lot of weight because you can never again eat a big meal without feeling very very sick. It's as if your portions have been limited forever. Not a good procedure for a bodybuilder or anyone that needs a lot of food or protein, but great for someone who is very obese.