Please critique my first cycle! Yes another Newbie question....

[Balistic]

Alright guys... I know some of you are sick of us newbies asking silly questions... but let me say before asking... I've done a lot of searching on the search engine and I haven't found the answers to these specific questions I have.

First off: I'm 5'9", 180lbs, body fat is so-so (I have a decent 4 pack) and some good genetic muscle. I've been lifting for 8 years.

I'm at my plateau. I am looking for my first cycle to be relatively mild with some solid muscle gains but nothing drastic. Maybe 5 pounds of lean body mass when it's all done, I don't care if it's more as long as it's lean body mass.

I am going to order 200 tabs from Bruce Lee (actually I think it's his buddy Jet Li), and for the cycle I'm thinking they will be 77 Winny IP tabs 50mg, and 123 Anavar 10mg IP tabs.

This order will allow me to do the following cycle that I've made up which you are free to cut down or give me the go ahead on:

First know this: I've decided on Winny and Anavar and am pretty much set on this, so don't ask me to "throw in" a million grams of test a week or whatever

Cycle: 8 weeks
Week 1-3 50mg Winny ED
Week 4-6 100mg Winny ED & 40mg Anavar ED
Week 7 50mg Winny ED & 40mg Anavar ED
Week 8 50mg Winny ED

So there it is, this is essentially Winny the whole way through with some Ox thrown in for a month in the middle.

Here come the questions boys:

1. Do I need to worry about any post cycle therapy like clomid, nolva, arimi ? No right?

2. How should diet be to get good and hard and put on the lean mass I want.

3. How does the cycle look? How should I change it? Will the above cycle in itself put on some mass?

4. Which liver protectors and how much dosage of each?

5. I noticed the Bulgarian Dbol (at 5mg per tab) is really cheap for 100 tabs, would 5mg ED do any noticeable effects if I threw than in throughout the cycle ( I don't want to go much higher than 10mg ED because I'm not interested in big gains or water retention etc, that's why I picked the winny and ox). I am pretty much against the Dbol idea because then I'd have to do the Nolva and Clomid, etc.

6. Here's a question I couldn't get the answer to on the search: If Winny and Ox aren't TEST, then what do they convert to that makes them anabolic?

This board rules, and I thank each of you already for all the input you've given and in advance for answering my post.

Take care bro's!
Balistic.

 

[hookuprx]

Dont do winstrol and anavar for 8 weeks.

 

[manny78]

1- yes you need to worry about it. Both compounds will play with your hpta.

2- Looks like a strenght/cutting cycle so try to eat as clean as you can. I usually go for very low fat-low carbs, high protein.

3- running 2 orals at the same time isnt a good idea. Both are 17 aa. I would keep the winny at 50 mg for 8 weeks and add some sust at 500 mg for 8 weeks.

4- Milk thistle is cheap and effective. Go for 1200 mg ED during your cycle.

5- Dont use the dbols. As mentionned before you're already running winny. Dbols at 5 mg wont do shit.

6- Both winny and anavar are dihydrotestosterone molecule. From what I remember its a test precursor.

1. Do I need to worry about any post cycle therapy like clomid, nolva, arimi ? No right?

2. How should diet be to get good and hard and put on the lean mass I want.

3. How does the cycle look? How should I change it? Will the above cycle in itself put on some mass?

4. Which liver protectors and how much dosage of each?

5. I noticed the Bulgarian Dbol (at 5mg per tab) is really cheap for 100 tabs, would 5mg ED do any noticeable effects if I threw than in throughout the cycle ( I don't want to go much higher than 10mg ED because I'm not interested in big gains or water retention etc, that's why I picked the winny and ox). I am pretty much against the Dbol idea because then I'd have to do the Nolva and Clomid, etc.

6. Here's a question I couldn't get the answer to on the search: If Winny and Ox aren't TEST, then what do they convert to that makes them anabolic?

This board rules, and I thank each of you already for all the input you've given and in advance for answering my post.

Take care bro's!
Balistic.

 

[chuck48]

Thats a lot of sticks for a first cycle assuming that you are injecting the winny. You shouldn't do two orals at a time. If I were you I would try deca/test or deca/dbol for a first cycle. You will gain quality muscle and in my opinion is a good starter cycle. Have some nolva just in case the dbol or test fucks with you. As far as deca goes, stay below 400mgs a week and you should be fine in most cases. If concerned about progesterone gyno or it flares up, winny should help with this. Good luck and be safe. Remember, more is not better.

 

[Quadsweep]

Thats a lot of sticks for a first cycle assuming that you are injecting the winny. You shouldn't do two orals at a time. If I were you I would try deca/test or deca/dbol for a first cycle. You will gain quality muscle and in my opinion is a good starter cycle. Have some nolva just in case the dbol or test fucks with you. As far as deca goes, stay below 400mgs a week and you should be fine in most cases. If concerned about progesterone gyno or it flares up, winny should help with this. Good luck and be safe. Remember, more is not better.

Thank you for this post! You said it for me!

 

[JuanDeLaCruz]

IMO I wouldn't do an all oral cycle only, and I would only use pharmacuetical grade gear (like Schering, Orgenon, etc.)

I'd do:

sustanon-500mg a weeks 1-10
Deca- 200mg a weeks 1-10
dbol- 35mg ed weeks 1-6
Winstrol- 50mg ed weeks 9-14

 

[colosus88]

IMO I wouldn't do an all oral cycle only, and I would only use pharmacuetical grade gear (like Schering, Orgenon, etc.)

I'd do:

sustanon-500mg a weeks 1-10
Deca- 200mg a weeks 1-10
dbol- 35mg ed weeks 1-6
Winstrol- 50mg ed weeks 9-14

I think that's over doing it for a first cycle.

 

[Balistic]

Thanks for the input, I expected those type of replies where you're suggesting an insane amount of AS for my first cycle, I will just ignore those. No offence.

Let me make it easier on everyone then...

I am stubborn, and my first cycle will be oral only!

I will use Winny, Anavar and/or Primo. Very slight chance of Dbol possibly (what if I up it to 10mg ED?).

Please make me a cycle then. I've had even a mod tell me that Winny and Var are ok together. In any case, hook me up with your opinions.

Thanks bros.

 

[Golfer18--old]

He is not gonna let your order 123 and 77. It will have to be like 125 or 75.

 

[cure]

Thanks for the input, I expected those type of replies where you're suggesting an insane amount of AS for my first cycle, I will just ignore those. No offence.

Let me make it easier on everyone then...

I am stubborn, and my first cycle will be oral only!

I will use Winny, Anavar and/or Primo. Very slight chance of Dbol possibly (what if I up it to 10mg ED?).

Please make me a cycle then. I've had even a mod tell me that Winny and Var are ok together. In any case, hook me up with your opinions.

Thanks bros.

My man, i was feeling the same way as you at one point. Listen to these guys. I still haven't touched test but i would never ever stack so many orals. If you wanna gain some muscle and cut at the same time and minimize sides just go simple but inj. at least one anabolic.

week 1-10 deca 300mg/week
week 4-10 winy 50mg/ed or eod

If deca is working out for you after the first couple of weeks and no signs of gyno up the dose. That simple. Don't mess with orals and fuck up your liver. Not worth it.

 

[JuanDeLaCruz]

I think that's over doing it for a first cycle.

ok...

 

[Bill W]

If you are dead set on doing an oral only cycle, I'd do the anavar/creatine thing or I would do dbol only. If you do a constant taper of the dbol, you MIGHT keep some gains, though I don't even know if tapering has validity. Quite frankly, if you are just getting your feet wet, are DYING to get some gear, do the anavar/creatine. If you want to do the anavar/winny, go ahead. I've done dbol/ oral winny at the same time, and it wasn't that great. Trust me. I'm lucky to be healthy, but I'd never do it again. Nobody can tell you what to do and you might as well learn for yourself.

 

[Bill W]

Actually, why not try an all oral abomb and winny cycle? I'd be curious to see what that would look like from a health perspective.

 

[Balistic]

Thanks for the input Bill W. But what do you mean your oral only cycle wasn't that great and that you're lucky to be healthy... did your liver values go way up?

Does anyone think I will gain any mass from a Winny/Anavar oral cycle? Or is this strictly a hardening/cutting cycle? What about diet?