Planning my first cycle! help me out...

[plornive]

STATS:
23, 5'10", 165 lbs, 8% bf, training for 3.75 years (natural)

GOALS:
I want to put on 10-15 pounds of muscle with as little sides as possible in 10-12 weeks. I want it to be as clean of a bulk as possible, possibly no fat gain. I also want to add some significant strength, but this is second in priority. I am looking for stacks with VERY LOW risk for gyno, and this is very important to me!

CURRENT IDEAS:

stack 1 (got this idea from Twitched):
week 4-11: anavar 40mg/day
week 1-9: boldenone inject 300mg/week (200mg every 4-5 days)
week 1-11: liquidex .25-.5mg
arimidex + nolvadex (tapered) postcycle

stack 2:
week 1-10: boldenone inject 280mg/week (200mg every 5 days)
week 1-10: test(testoviron) 350mg/week (250mg every 5 days)
week 1-4: anavar 30mg/day
week 8-12: stanazolol 50mg/day oral
week 1-12: liquidex .25-.5mg
arimidex + nolvadex (tapered) postcycle

stack 3:
week 4-11: anavar 40mg/day
week 1-9: primobolan 300mg/week (150mg twice per week)
week 1-11: liquidex .25-.5mg
arimidex + nolvadex (tapered) postcycle

stack 4:
week 4-10: stanazolol 50mg/day oral
week 1-8: boldenone inject 200mg every 5 days
week 1-11: liquidex .25-.5mg
arimidex + nolvadex (tapered) postcycle

I will have access to almost any steroid legally (over-the-counter where I will reside soon). Please note my aversion to aromatization. Any input/ideas greatly appreciated!

 

[The Terminator]

I like the first one, although I don't think the liquidex is necessary, but it won't hurt either.

 

[plornive]

Will boldenone help in the mass department? What should I expect to gain in muscle mass and total weight? This is my favored stack right now, since I have read that boldenone is decent for mass gains and fairly low risk for gyno.

What would be the big differences between using test or not? What exactly does test add?

I'm moving to Hong Kong and juice is all OTC there, yeehaw! I'll probably buy Ttokkyo products and skip the IP. Even though I could go into China and buy come juice for cheap, I want to be sure.

BTW nice avatar Terminator!

 

[The Terminator]

Well using test would add alot more water weight, although using liquidex would take care of most of that. EQ tends to produce a nice hard vascular look and has the added benefit of increasing apetite for many users. AS far as weight that really depends more on how much food your are getting in, as that is the most important element in the equation. But test + liquidex could be real good too (and much cheaper w/o the anavar), (note: I have not used liquidex before so I am going on what others have posted, but there have been many)

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

I vote for 2, but I'd drop the ox and run the winny 6-12

 

[Ingram]

Test 500 1-8
Winny 50 4-10

Take 1mg of Arimidex ED and you'll have no signs of gyno with little/no bloat. You'd gain a decent amount of lean mass with this combo.

 

[techlifter_2]

GOALS: [b/]
I want to put on 10-15 pounds of muscle with as little sides as possible in 10-12 weeks. I want it to be as clean of a bulk as possible, possibly no fat gain. I also want to add some significant strength, but this is second in priority. I am looking for stacks with VERY LOW risk for gyno, and this is very important to me!

OBJECTIVES:
1 10-15 lbs of LBM
2 Low Sides
3 10-12 weeks in length
4 Low gyno risk.

My understanding of your objectives:

1 You want a cycle that provides LBM and strength rather than huge size. Typically that is called a cutting cycle.
2 Every steroid user would rather live without sides, so instead of planning a cycle without them, you should plan one around sideffects.
3 10-12 weeks seems like plenty of time to get results and use various componds if wanted.
4 You are probably get gyno symptons very easily right?

expensive

stack 1
week 1-12 1mg/day liquidex – start three days before your first shot
week 1-10 300mg/wk boldenon
week 1-2 50mg/ed test prop
week 3-10 500mg/wk ICN Galenika
week 1-6 75mg/ed Fina
week 3-11 40mg/ed Anavar
week 7-12 50mg/ed Winstrol
week 12-14 300/100/50 Standard clomid dosing. Might include nolva if you want
week 14-16 20mcg* I would do a standard clen cycle afterwards

 

[Quadsweep]

I like any and all of Twiched cycles. I sat take your pick!

Quad

 

[plornive]

3 questions:
1.
stack 1 (got this idea from Twitched):
week 4-11: anavar 40mg/day
week 1-9: boldenone inject 300mg/week (200mg every 4-5 days)
week 1-11: liquidex .25-.5mg
arimidex + nolvadex (tapered) postcycle

Why not do anavar the entire time so strength is increased from the beginning? Is it just money? What about winny for the last 4 weeks, too?

2.
Can you give me a "estrogen index" of stack an eq/var cycle and a test/winny cycle? Like two relative numbers from 1-10 that can compare the two proportionally.

3.
Since I'm a newby and plan to probably do some more cycles after this, should I start out with a safe cycle like eq/var and then try some more risky cycles like test/winny later on? When I say risky, I'm talking about prostate, liver and gyno problems (especially GYNO). I'm am worried that I may be prone to gyno.

 

[plornive]

bump...

 

[DiaBOLic86]

I think an eq/var cycle is your best bet. I would run the var the whole time. You shouldn't have strong sides from those drugs. Neither one gave me any sides at all when I used them. Test will give you achne for sure, and maybe gyno if you are prone. I never get symptoms of gyno from test, but that is me. Also, with eq and var, you will get good solid gains that will stick well.

 

[DiaBOLic86]

acne i mean, not achne.