alien amp pharm said:Unneccessary and unfunny
alien amp pharm said:Unneccessary and unfunny
there are many pics posted on this site that i don't find funny, but if someone else does, who am I to say to take them down?Frisky said:Ya know lessy I think you are a good bro... but honestly shit like this is uncalled for. Its your opinion and fine, you disagree with religion and such, but I don't find any one of those pics funny at all.
I'm more agnostic than anything.Phenom78 said:Agreat deal of hidden angst and rage disguised as humor.
It's amusing how much God scares atheists
Lestat said:there are many pics posted on this site that i don't find funny, but if someone else does, who am I to say to take them down?
Frisky said:then please.... link me.
You are a very easy going person and quite frankly I believe right now you are spitting in the wind just to have a retort to my comment. I don't judge you for your opinion nor would I ever judge anyone for their opinons on religion. BUT that being said I also have my opinion and I don't find anything about any of those pictures funny at all.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6532158&postcount=1Frisky said:then please.... link me.
You are a very easy going person and quite frankly I believe right now you are spitting in the wind just to have a retort to my comment. I don't judge you for your opinion nor would I ever judge anyone for their opinons on religion. BUT that being said I also have my opinion and I don't find anything about any of those pictures funny at all.
Ludendorf said:so if you don't find them funny, then why are you posting here?
you would think you would just move along
nice quads btw
Frisky said:Because I felt the need to voice my opinion just like everyone else here that post on every other thread that they read. I don't hate lestat for having his own opinion but why is it wrong for me to say I think they are distasteful? No issue... I'll still buy him a drink one day.
LOL
Oh and thanks... wanna squeeze sweet tits?
you better be on my friends list broLudendorf said:fair enough.
i am just looking to start shit today and you didn't really bite
i would love a double-handed squeeze but it looks to be that ht has it locked down so i don't want to step on any toes.
look through fiesty's myspace friends and send me a invite
NOW
Ludendorf said:fair enough.
i am just looking to start shit today and you didn't really bite
i would love a double-handed squeeze but it looks to be that ht has it locked down so i don't want to step on any toes.
look through fiesty's myspace friends and send me a invite
NOW

Frisky said:LOL
HT loves me but just won't admit it.![]()
I'm headed that way sugar![]()
i can't access it at workLestat said:you better be on my friends list bro
lol. why not? and what i don't see what there is to agree or disagree with?Wootoom said:man i dont agree with making fun of jesus pics
this is so wrong but I laughed at this one.Lestat said:
Lestat said:I'm more agnostic than anything.
I've got a lot of angst and rage on behalf of anyone who was ever tortured or killed in the name of christ.
I never understood why showing Jesus as human (which he was in fact) is degrading.Phenom78 said:But you didn't post pics of Richard the LionHearted.
You posted degrading pics of Christ.
I'll stick by my original assertion. There is far more evidence of it than for your claim.
It isn't about right or wrong. It's an issue of self awareness.
Phenom78 said:Agreat deal of hidden angst and rage disguised as humor.
It's amusing how much God scares atheists
i thought you were jewish bro?curling said:What's funny is they haven't seen anything yet wait until they die then they will know what scarry really is.
Lestat said:I never understood why showing Jesus as human (which he was in fact) is degrading.
wait until you die bro, oh boy, if you only knew what was in store!!! I just happen to know, don't ask me how because I have no proof, but I just know and damn man, fuck, you should give me 10% of your money real quick.curling said:What's funny is they haven't seen anything yet wait until they die then they will know what scarry really is.
curling said:What's funny is they haven't seen anything yet wait until they die then they will know what scarry really is.
Lestat said:good news bro, i accepted the lord jesus as my savior about 20 years ago!
sure i have since changed my mind, but I was told it was a one time thing that would save my soul for all of eternity no matter how bad I fucked up. jesus loves all equally, even murders and rapists. i came to him, begged forgiveness, and took him into my heart so i'm covered!
lol. i remember asking my dad about that, i was likePhenom78 said:Hes got a point there.
It is an absurd doctrine of Non Catholic Christians.
please try to see it from my perspective.Phenom78 said:Hes got a point there.
It is an absurd doctrine of Non Catholic Christians.
yet everyone claims their own as the one true one, the one you need to be saved.Frisky said:Different religions different beliefs...
Lestat said:lol. i remember asking my dad about that, i was like
"so you don't have to go to church to go to heaven?"
dad: no
"you don't have to even be a nice person?"
dad: not to go to heaven, but you still should
"you don't have to tithe?"
dad: "no,but you should"
"so no matter what I do jesus will still love me?"
dad: "yes, its unconditional love"
"so why doesn't everyone just accept jesus as their savior? there is nothing to lose!"
dad: everybody should, and its our duty to spread the gospel
"sounds boring"
dad: "don't you speak like that about our savior!"
so he might just let a bunch of non believers up into heaven on a whim, its conceivable right?Phenom78 said:It is ill conceived.
What God does he does actually, not in some absurd legalistic sense.
agreed 110%jnevin said:People getting all riled up about those pics is the same as if they got pissed about Santa buttfucking the Easter Bunny.
Lestat said:please try to see it from my perspective.
you think that the part of non catholic doctrine I basically am using as a "loophole" is absurd.
Well that is exactly how I feel about almost ALL religious doctrine, specifically western religion.
Phenom78 said:There is a difference.
One is a leap without evidence to the assumption of a divine ie does God exist.
Once the leap is made however, reason can be applied to what is remaining and judged by logic and consistency.
In Catholic tradition justification is a process that ends when you stand before God. You've already outlined the problem with the other viewpoint.
In reality it is more complex, and to a large extent involves opposing definitions of faith. Catholics define it as sola fide formata, while other denominations as sola fide informa
jnevin said:Dogma is no way to prove something exists.
so once you resign yourself to the fact that you are believing in something for which you and nobody else can ultimitely prove is true, you can then apply sound logic to the initial unsubstantiated premise.Phenom78 said:There is a difference.
One is a leap without evidence to the assumption of a divine ie does God exist.
Once the leap is made however, reason can be applied to what is remaining and judged by logic and consistency.
In Catholic tradition justification is a process that ends when you stand before God. You've already outlined the problem with the other viewpoint.
In reality it is more complex, and to a large extent involves opposing definitions of faith. Catholics define it as sola fide formata, while other denominations as sola fide informa
Lestat said:so once you resign yourself to the fact that you are believing in something for which you and nobody else can ultimitely prove is true, you can then apply sound logic to the initial unsubstantiated premise.
Wow, I wish I could do this with everything in life. I think I'm going to start believing that one day I will inherit 10 million, it could get me laid!
jnevin said:Every arguement for religion has contradicted itself in the same post. No matter how it's worded, it starts one way and finishes another.
Lestat said:good to see some people who haven'ty been duped in here.
perkele, stilletto, and jnevin are good bros!
Phenom78 said:Bro
you make no sense
You also offer not even a single example.
Your wishing doesnt make it so.
The onyl post Lestat got correct, completely accidentally, was with respect to sola fide
jnevin said:Belief is an act of faith. Reason cannot be applied. There is nothing to apply it to.
But the doctrines themselves can be examioned (unlike God) and reason can be applied to them.
^^This made no sense. Belief in an omnibenevolent being that will condemn you to eternal damnation makes no sense. Belief that said omnibenevolent and omnipotent being gave you freedom of thought makes no sense when he/ she knew what choices you were going to make since the beginning of time. By definition, everything that god is is contradicted by what he does. He/ she is perfect but created imperfect beings, is without sin but gets angry and jealous.
It's bullshit. Your beliefs and faith are based on lies and bullshit.
Lestat said:so you tell me pheonom, what causes someone to make that leap? What causes an otherwise intelligent and rational person to start believing something for which they can never prove or disprove fully?
my answer is:
fear
the desire for purpose in life
manny78 said:Lots of bad bro material in here, let's just forget about it and move on. group hug anyone ?
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perkele said:Immediately reminded me of Jessica Lange from the King Kong.![]()
I try to do things to bring pleasure to myself and those around me, not because I am fearful or full of anxiety about the uncertain nature of life.Phenom78 said:All those and many more.
Why do people do anything? We are limitied finite beings. All our actions are in some measure self motivated.
jnevin said:^^This made no sense. Belief in an omnibenevolent being that will condemn you to eternal damnation makes no sense. Belief that said omnibenevolent and omnipotent being gave you freedom of thought makes no sense when he/ she knew what choices you were going to make since the beginning of time. By definition, everything that god is is contradicted by what he does. He/ she is perfect but created imperfect beings, is without sin but gets angry and jealous.
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Lestat said:I try to do things to bring pleasure to myself and those around me, not because I am fearful or full of anxiety about the uncertain nature of life.
hold up a sec bro, I'm talking about the belief in the irrational (religion). I fear some things becase they are dangerous (like heights). That's rational bro.Phenom78 said:That's abusrd Lestat.
Any adherent to "reason" who lacks the self awareness to ascribe any of his or her actions as being attributable in some measure to "fear" is just silly.
Lestat said:hold up a sec bro, I'm talking about the belief in the irrational (religion). I fear some things becase they are dangerous (like heights). That's rational bro.
pffft cathlic religon is shit.tell me were in the bible it says I should pray to mother mary or any of the fucken saints.tell me were it says I have to cunfase my sins to a preast and not god himself.Phenom78 said:Hes got a point there.
It is an absurd doctrine of Non Catholic Christians.
Phenom78 said:Also you have a rather simplistci and inaccurate understanding of theology. Not to mention you group very diverse faiths and belief systems together in that montage of misplaced loathing
many fears are irrational bro.Phenom78 said:LOL
Are you blonde?
You asked why people turn to religion. Then you offered fear as one motivation. What is irratioonal about theur fears.
Your child is sick and may die. Is your fear of their dying irrational?
You are confusing the decision with the motivation ie turning to God in ones fear as opposed to elsewhere.
Try to keep up
when you accepted crist how old were you and did you mean it.Lestat said:many fears are irrational bro.
The fear of non poisonous spiders and snakes.
The fear of hell.
we're talking about religion and irrational belief (you call it faith).
no realy I dont have much against them.they beleave that crist is there savore.so there going to heaven.they confass there sins and have persinal relatoinships with god.thats all that matters.all the crap inbetween is nothing.Lestat said:lol @ christians talking shit on catholics.
that's like when mormons talk shit about protestants.
fuck man, how can people not see how fucked up this all is????
I was 8 I think, and yes I meant it, I was with my father and we prayed together.needtogetas said:when you accepted crist how old were you and did you mean it.
Lestat said:so you tell me pheonom, what causes someone to make that leap? What causes an otherwise intelligent and rational person to start believing something for which they can never prove or disprove fully?
my answer is:
fear
the desire for purpose in life
jnevin said:People getting all riled up about those pics is the same as if they got pissed about Santa buttfucking the Easter Bunny.
YES! the wanting to fit in is huge.stilleto said:fear.
and wanting to fit in. its what everyone else is doing... including most people's parents.
think for yourself and be free.![]()
I was about the same age when I first did to.and I felt nothing at all to.Lestat said:I was 8 I think, and yes I meant it, I was with my father and we prayed together.
Funny thing is, I kept waiting for something to happen to feel something different. I had just gone from being lost and destined to hell to being saved and had an eternity of paradise to look forward to, but I honestly didn't feel a single bit different. I can say I was 100% sincere at the time, I was a total jesus freak bro.
manny78 said:I hope you know who it is ?
if there was a god, he'd make it so you could spell bro.needtogetas said:I was about the same age when I first did to.and I felt nothing at all to.
god is not a fealing.you said youreself youre feelings can be wrong.of cource if you have a good relatonship with god fore a long time sooner or latter youre going to feel him in some kind of way.
the problum start when we say to ourselfs well this is the way I expect it to be.then it dosent happen.lol we think god should come when we want do it the way we want.we should get the fealings we want.not going to happen.
god knows whats best and you dont.some people have felt tramendose feeling of his power.and some just here a small voce in there head.
I had to go throw hell in my life before the man inside me was ready to give up.when I was ready to exept that i hopeless with out him.
when you were a kid you thought god was cool and it was fun.but were you broken.were you thinking I need god with all my heart.was it becuase you just wanted to know this cool person people were talking about.or was it becuase you beleaved in youre heart that youre life with out him was wrong.
did you want him or did you want his hands to bless you and do cool things fore you.
lestat.when you make a choce in youre heart that youre life is not what you want.that you want the life god has fore you.when you seek him"with all youre heart"not just cerosaty.thewn you will find him.
thing is youre cuntant with youre life.you think there is nothing wrong with it.you probly felt that way as a kid to.
iam going to say 8 years old is just not old enoff to fully give youre hole life thoughts hopes dreams,heart,will,pride everything into the hands of god.sorry but its just not.
manny78 said:Lots of bad bro material in here, let's just forget about it and move on. group hug anyone ?
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Lestat said:YES! the wanting to fit in is huge.
a girl i dated said she grew up in Utah, not mormon though, but her parents (non mornmons) would drop her and her brother off at church every sunday! They never wanted to, but her parents said they would make friends that way!!! As non mormons, they were the outsiders at school and stuff.
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