*PICS* Funny picture thread!

[Smurfy]

Lestat, the fact of the matter is, you just are not very good at communicating your message. You dont go about insulting, and mocking - and then think people are going to open their minds to what you are trying to say. Take some lessons in effective communication if you are really passionate about spreading your word.

 

[Lestat]

Lestat, the fact of the matter is, you just are not very good at communicating your message. You dont go about insulting, and mocking - and then think people are going to open their minds to what you are trying to say. Take some lessons in effective communication if you are really passionate about spreading your word.

i agree with you there, I wish I was more effective at communicating the message, I get too worked up about it.

 

[perkele]

This Jesus shit still going on?

 

[Lestat]

This Jesus shit still going on?

its the easiest way to get a thread of the week nomination bro!

 

[perkele]

its the easiest way to get a thread of the week nomination bro!

There's still a long way to a sweetest victory.

 

[Smurfy]

its the easiest way to get a thread of the week nomination bro!

lol You're in like Flynn

 

[Lestat]

lol You're in like Flynn

 

[Smurfy]

ok - lockerup!!

We got this to end on a p0sitive note. Setting a precedent here, folks. Let's quit while we're ahead.

 

[Lestat]

ok - lockerup!!

We got this to end on a p0sitive note. Setting a precedent here, folks. Let's quit while we're ahead.

no need to lock, let it evolve as any epic thread would.

 

[rnch]

is zat st mary mageline in the high heels? (musta been before her conversion...)

 

[Wulfgar]

isnt it believed that the concept of hell is reserved for those who dont believe and those who dont ask for forgiveness?

that is if you subscribe to that particular belief system.

how does one explain the Millions upon millions of other souls upon this earth who have no concept of a Christian "hell"? Where do they go? are they damned from birth?
of course not, because if there was a god who would be that cruel and childish to enjoy putting beings on the planet just for pure amusement only to condemn them to eternal suffering than no one would in thier right mind would worship that. Again I go back to putting human emotions of a finite being. why would a being of INFINITE compassion, love, understanding and forgiveness need, in any way shape or for, someone to BEG forgiveness from? to satisfy some egotistical identity? why would a infinite being have some need for worship? Isnt God complete and utterly fullfilled being that God is All that Is. If we start to put these beleifs on an idea of a go then we are no longer dealing with something infinite. We are mearly expressing our own limitations upon something which we do not understand beause of our finite mind.
ANY religion, system of belief or path of enlightement that teaches ANYTHING other than UNCONDITIONAL love, understanding and acceptance is in error of what GOD really is.

 

[Wulfgar]

We are once once we believe in His son. Then we are adopted which is better than biological parents because you can not disown adoted children. And he will forgive anyone as long as they trust in His son as their Savior.

please refer to my other post on placing a human finite trait like "need" or "a reqiurement to gain acceptance" to something infinite.
no offense but you are mearly retorting religious indoctrinations.

 

[Wulfgar]

That is somewhat simplistic.

Ascribing human traits is incorrect because they "generally" imply a lack. We are finite dependent beings whereas at least theoretically God is not. To ascribe human motives to Him would often suggest lack.

Creation was an act of Unconditional Love. As was the Crucifiction.

Self sacrifice, and in some cases "martyrdom", are human attempts at returning that love.

Hell could be described primarily as an absence of God. Sin as a conscious choice to turn away or absent ourselves from God. So does God put us in hell, or do we by our choices put ourselves there?

It actually is EXTREMELY siplistic. which is where the confusion arises.
A God who is complete and in need of nothing would have no reason to ever put us in a hell. since obviously that would be a judgement.
The nature of God is Love. Unconditonal means just that, "without conditions". Meaning no soul on earth would ever be damned to a hell since God IS Love no matter what path you choose. Also, there is no path one has to follow in order to somehow "earn" a place in heaven.
Let me throw a curveball for a moment. If God is All that Is. Then God is All of Us and we are All Eternal as is God. Meaning we aare all creators of our reality. Each of us follows our own paths of experience and understanding to gain in enlightenment. This is why the greatest gift we can give to the world is to be Kind to ALL LIFE. Since in actuality we ARE ALL OF LIFE.
As far as putting ourselves in hell, Im sure there are many beings that experience thier own "hell" in whatever lower astral creation they may need to experience. But ultimately they too will evolve in the infinite.

 

[Wulfgar]

To create beings to "fuck around with" implies a lack.

If the universe was created by a deity what can we reason from that supposition?

One that whereas the universe is dependent, the cause of its creation must be independent. That is to say if you want a fire you need various things to be present. Fuel, oxygen, a spark etc. Remove any of the three and you can't have a fire. If a deity is the source of creation, then he must by definition be complete in and of Himself.

Anger, need for entertainment, need for accalim are all qualities of a "dependent" being. It describes an entity that lacks something, and therefore must seek it out. But a dependent being can't be the source of all creation.

So the only motive left must be selfless. That is to say something that benefits Him not at all, because that presumes he could be added to. And if you can be added then it argues an an initial lack.

The most reasonable "selfless" motivation is selfless love.

It also esxplains free will. Love is once more an act that must be freely chosen. You can be forced to eat and not be any less well fed. You can be forced to obey. But you cannot be forced to love. You must possess free will to do so. If God created only automatons incapable of independent decision making then he could surround them with physical pleasures, but they could never give or truly receive love.

You are really on the right track with where you are going with this.
Think on this though
You obviously understand that "dependancy" cannot be a trait of a infinite god.
Well along the sameline neither can any type of "motivation" be an aspect of a being who is already inifinite and complete. A motivation would suggest the being is finite and just had some random thought to spark creation. For what reason? Why would something complete and infinite NEED to do anything??? obviously there is not one.
God is already Love and all the expressions of Love. God has no needs or wants for anything.

It truly is impossible for us to explain the infinite in finite terms.
We are all eternal and all expressions of God.
Religion has unfortuantely for the most part been a tool of force and control. It has bastardized what god is in order to serve the ambition of identity and the animal mind in which survival and dominance prevail.