pics before bulk phase

[branch]

hey guys this is my first real big stack tell me what u think:

stats:
5'7
21 yrs old
178lbs
31' waist
42'chest
24' thighs
17 arms f
16 1/2 calves
14 4arm

im about 193 now tryin to get to 220 230 im gonna be going on a 9 month bulking phase to get ready for my first contest for next yr around this time, these pics were takin bout 2 weeks ago


Wk 1: 100mg Anadrol, 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 2: 100mg Anadrol, 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 3: 100mg Anadrol, 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 4: 100mg Anadrol, 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 5: 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 6: 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 7: 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 8: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 9: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 10: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 11: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 12: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 13: 750mg Test E
Wk 14: 750mg Test E
Wk 15: 750mg Test E
Wk 17: NOLVA

do you think the nolva will be enough for post therepy?

 

[i am what i am]

i like nolva with clomid. I would run hcg towards the end of the cycle.

 

[goal200]

I'd prob consider a few HCG shots in the middle of that bro...inflate those raisins!

 

[slat1]

Good luck with your run. Keep an eye on your bp.

 

[beachstud]

Holy Shit Bro you are JACKED. Are you sure you want to go crazy with so much bulk?

I guess that's a pretty asinine thing for me to say. Especially since I'm the worst perfectionist ever and just started my first cycle... ha ha.

Oh well. You look rad dude. With your physique the way it is why not at least back off the dosages a little... like HALF!

 

[ALIN]

i like nolva with clomid. I would run hcg towards the end of the cycle.

I like the Nolva / Clomid PCT and the HCG during cycle.

 

[branch]

yea beach stud im tryin to go pro so i have a lot of work to do.


but thanks alin and the rest of u guys.

any info on cycling the hcg during a 12 week deca run?

 

[beachstud]

yea beach stud im tryin to go pro so i have a lot of work to do.


but thanks alin and the rest of u guys.

any info on cycling the hcg during a 12 week deca run?

You have an awesome frame. Marky Mark shit. Good luck with everything, you'll do awesome.

I've got HCG and was going to run 1000iu eod for 10 days mid-cycle and then same thing 2 weeks post-cycle. I'm on week four of 500Test-E/300Deca 12 weeker.

Not to get off-topic but I got AIFM two days ago and I'm stoked. Sore nipples were gone completely within 1 day. I seem to be dropping water but I can't really tell. Highly recommend.

 

[drrman]

yea beach stud im tryin to go pro so i have a lot of work to do.


but thanks alin and the rest of u guys.

any info on cycling the hcg during a 12 week deca run?

i agree with ulter, we have talked about this before, running HCG though the cycle will not help you in any way besides making your nuts appear better......its not going to make recovery any better in the end. i would save the HCG for post cycle, its a waste of money during the cycle

 

[beachstud]

i agree with ulter, we have talked about this before, running HCG though the cycle will not help you in any way besides making your nuts appear better......its not going to make recovery any better in the end. i would save the HCG for post cycle, its a waste of money during the cycle

Really? So it's unnecessary mid-cycle? I thought I read some people get their best gains during their mid-cycle HCG.

 

[drrman]

Really? So it's unnecessary mid-cycle? I thought I read some people get their best gains during their mid-cycle HCG.

people have reported some strength increases, but the gains mid cycle come from just that, being mid cycle, thats when your gains come

 

[boxerjake]

If i did 12 weeks of deca i'd be sending a search party looking for my dick ...


I most often use HCG post cycle as well as nolv or clomid but seldom mix the two

 

[Bruce]

12 weeks of deca is a no no for me too. 10 weeks and keep the test going longer imo. i'd use hcg every week at 500ius a week to keep my boys in the stable. deca can shut you down so your dick either wont get hard or you can't bust. no fun at all. your physique is phenomenal to say the least. good luck, keep bp and liver in check with the a bombs. i'd add proviron for libido issues at 50mg ed, and for sure use hcg for pct 10 days in a row a week after last test shot with nolva and clomid for sure

 

[steelmass]

500iu HCG weeks 14-16. lookin good bro keep it up. Add in dostinex too - it helped my recovery off of nandrolones alot. I'd also add Aromasin or AIFM with nolva.

 

[BigRupe]

Wk 1: 100mg Anadrol, 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 2: 100mg Anadrol, 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 3: 100mg Anadrol, 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 4: 100mg Anadrol, 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 5: 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 6: 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 7: 750mg Test E, 600mg Deca
Wk 8: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 9: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 10: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 11: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 12: 750mg Test E, 600 mg Deca
Wk 13: 750mg Test E
Wk 14: 750mg Test E
Wk 15: 750mg Test E
Wk 17: NOLVA

do you think the nolva will be enough for post therepy?

HELL NO!!!!!

You need clomid, HCG, and an anti-e you're setting yourself up for major downgrade of natural test production.

I'd say 4 to 6 weeks of a serious PCT.

On a side note I think those dosages are far too high. Be careful bro'.

 

[bigmouth2006]

i agree with ulter, we have talked about this before, running HCG though the cycle will not help you in any way besides making your nuts appear better......its not going to make recovery any better in the end. i would save the HCG for post cycle, its a waste of money during the cycle

i totally agree with you guys and if you are taking l-dex your nuts should stay about the same through the cycle

 

[branch]

yea i downgraded this to

week 1-4 anadorl 100mg
weeks 1-14 deca 400mg run hcg 500iu
weeks 1-15 teste 500mg
weeks 17 nolva, clomid, rebound xt

what u guys think of that cause i hear everyones got different stories about this hcg and all that.

if u guys got another bulking cycle in mind feel free to hit me up

i got tren test e eq deca oxymeth
so any suggestions with those or maybe add sumtin to any of those would be great, ive never done a a REAL cycle so im lookin to do sumtin pretty serious this time around i havent touched nethin in bout 2 yrs

and thanks for the comments guys

 

[BigRupe]

yea i downgraded this to

week 1-4 anadorl 100mg
weeks 1-14 deca 400mg run hcg 500iu
weeks 1-15 teste 500mg
weeks 17 nolva, clomid, rebound xt

what u guys think of that cause i hear everyones got different stories about this hcg and all that.

if u guys got another bulking cycle in mind feel free to hit me up

i got tren test e eq deca oxymeth
so any suggestions with those or maybe add sumtin to any of those would be great, ive never done a a REAL cycle so im lookin to do sumtin pretty serious this time around i havent touched nethin in bout 2 yrs

and thanks for the comments guys

I have read a lot of research papers on HCG and gonad defecient males and the treatment for them is 6,000IU's a week for 3 to 6 months.

I think someone on a serious cycle of Test and Deca like you outlined will have some major impact on the luteinizing hormone your body produces.

Bottom line is most research shows that to increase testicular volume, a goal of any good PCT, takes much larger amounts of HCG then what most AAS users take.

I can't find my own thread I started that outlined this very interesting study.

Again I suggest you reexamine your PCT and remember the long half-life of the compounds you are taking will impact you for weeks after your cycle.

Rethink a 3 pronged attack, HCG, Clomid and an Anit-E

 

[steelmass]

I like HCG, Nolva, Aromasin - perfect combo for many reasons imo...

 

[drrman]

why did you drop the test....you look like you can handle it.....hell i'd have went to a gram personally!!! but thats just me

guys you will be competing against....the winners anyway i guarantee you ran more than 500mg in their bulking cycles

 

[branch]

why did you drop the test....you look like you can handle it.....hell i'd have went to a gram personally!!! but thats just me

guys you will be competing against....the winners anyway i guarantee you ran more than 500mg in their bulking cycles

yea u dont think the first stack i posted is a lil much with the test at 750 a d deca at 600?

im just hearin a lot of different tips on the ancilliary side of things like if just the hcg is gonna be enough for the 14 weeks of deca, then if nolva n clomid is enough for after this huge cycle

what u think

 

[branch]

see ive heard too many people tell me hcg is def necessary during deca phase, ur the only one who has told me i dont need it durring

 

[Bruce]

u NEED hcg

 

[nomad05]

use HCG & keep the Test at 750mg/week.

 

[drrman]

see ive heard too many people tell me hcg is def necessary during deca phase, ur the only one who has told me i dont need it durring

i will stand by my comment, the HCG is ONLY good for cosmetic reasons...i.e. making your nuts look bigger, it will NOT keep your body from shutting down when on the deca and test, so i say its a waste of money to run it during the cycle, i mean you are already shut down, the HCG isn't going to make you "not" shut down until you quit taking the steroids......and no, i don't think 750mg test is too high....looking at your physique and knowing what your goals are bro, you can handle 750mg.........at the national level 750mg isn't even considered a "lot" of test

 

[mrdeeznuts]

i agree with utler and drrman on the hcg issue

use it only at the end of the cycle

 

[branch]

aight drman thanks man im gonna use ur info then, i just got my lab supplies in so im gonna be doin a lot of cookin this weekend

well thank you guys for all ur help ill keep u guys posted on how the cycles goin and after pics im weighin bout 193 195 so im lookin to get up to 220 230 during this cycle so hopefully well get some good results

 

[branch]

this kids tryin to tell me to take nolva durin my deca phase which i think is a lil obsured but all i should use for pct is dostinex hcg and aromasin?correct or throw clomid in the mix cause im plannin on startin next week so i gotta order some ancilliaries still


"It is really good to run nolvadex during cycle. It keeps the gyno away while on. 10mg/day should do the job. Nolva doesn't stop the effects of progesterone related gyno that can result from Deca. Cabergoline and B6 are used for that--usually not a problem so dont worry about it.

Use HCG 500iu E4D for the last six weeks of the cycle. Stop 48 hrs before you begin PCT. HCG will actually suppress the HTPA at the Hypothalumus and Pituitary axes, which is why you should stop before starting clomid and nolva."

 

[drrman]

this kids tryin to tell me to take nolva durin my deca phase which i think is a lil obsured but all i should use for pct is dostinex hcg and aromasin?correct or throw clomid in the mix cause im plannin on startin next week so i gotta order some ancilliaries still


"It is really good to run nolvadex during cycle. It keeps the gyno away while on. 10mg/day should do the job. Nolva doesn't stop the effects of progesterone related gyno that can result from Deca. Cabergoline and B6 are used for that--usually not a problem so dont worry about it.

Use HCG 500iu E4D for the last six weeks of the cycle. Stop 48 hrs before you begin PCT. HCG will actually suppress the HTPA at the Hypothalumus and Pituitary axes, which is why you should stop before starting clomid and nolva."

nolvadex can actually make the sides from deca even worse.....tell your friend he's a moron....nolva and deca is a no no

 

[branch]

nolvadex can actually make the sides from deca even worse.....tell your friend he's a moron....nolva and deca is a no no

k thanks drman

so im gonna stick with my original stack

pct: hcg
dostinex
aromasin
nolva


is that a good pct for this cycle ? clomid?

 

[drrman]

k thanks drman

so im gonna stick with my original stack

pct: hcg
dostinex
aromasin
nolva


is that a good pct for this cycle ? clomid?

yeh, i'd run the clomid if you have it.......will only help

 

[BigRupe]

i will stand by my comment, the HCG is ONLY good for cosmetic reasons...i.e. making your nuts look bigger, it will NOT keep your body from shutting down when on the deca and test, so i say its a waste of money to run it during the cycle, i mean you are already shut down, the HCG isn't going to make you "not" shut down until you quit taking the steroids......and no, i don't think 750mg test is too high....looking at your physique and knowing what your goals are bro, you can handle 750mg.........at the national level 750mg isn't even considered a "lot" of test

I agree with most of what you say but HCG is more than cosmetic as it's primary function medically is to help induce gonad deficient men into becoming fertile so the increase in testicle size is also functional.

Plus I think having big nuts makes the women happy too. LOL

I have completely changed my HCG use after reading a lot of research on the subject. I take it about 2 weeks "after" my cycle and then I take high doses for about 3 to 4 weeks and my nuts do get bigger and my semen output goes through the roof.

I also run an Anti-E and clomid.

I still am unsure of what the biomechanical action is that increases testicular volume from HCG use. Do you know?

In any event great information.

 

[branch]

okay thank so much guys one more thing.....

will 10,000 iu of hcg be enough? and
what is the aromasin/dostinex dosages?

 

[02gixxersix]

I like the cycle just rethink the PCT like most of these guys said.

 

[DBBT]

upped body looks good

 

[beachstud]

i will stand by my comment, the HCG is ONLY good for cosmetic reasons...i.e. making your nuts look bigger, it will NOT keep your body from shutting down when on the deca and test, so i say its a waste of money to run it during the cycle, i mean you are already shut down, the HCG isn't going to make you "not" shut down until you quit taking the steroids......and no, i don't think 750mg test is too high....looking at your physique and knowing what your goals are bro, you can handle 750mg.........at the national level 750mg isn't even considered a "lot" of test

Don't mean to go head to head with you drrman, but in a description of HCG from www.isteroids.com the author talks about the possible benefit of mid-cycle use of HCG:

"When used on a cycle sparingly, HCG helps to maintain testicular size and condition but it is speculated that the intermittent administration of HCG will keep the testicles receptive to LH, when we eventually go off a cycle. This may be due to HCG’s ability to maintain a higher level of Inter-Testicular-Testosterone (ITT), when used during a cycle. This could aid and quicken your recovery of the hypothalamic-testicular-pituitary-axis."

To me it sounds like he's saying mid-cycle use may help your pct in addition to plumping the nuts. Just something I found.