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persistant left knee pain from squatting
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wnt2bBeast
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hows your form?
wnt2bBeast
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are you squatting ATF? when coming out of the hole try pushing out on your knees (think of it as spreading the floor with your feet)casualbb said:
Illuminati
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casualbb said:
do you have a digital camera? you could get someone to video it, and post it up. you could get some form feedback that way. also, every college has a strength coach. sure, they are for the athletes (not sure if you play a collegiate sport or not) but if they are there because the are a true strength coach, and you can get a hold of them, they might be able to go to the gym with you, and give you better feedback on form than the people in the gym.
wnt2bBeast
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this has been floated around on here not sure if you have viewed it..other than his hand position and the slight pause at te bottom this is the for you want to copy..his stance is somewhat narrow but the knees do not go over the toes
http://www.finnishpower.net/pics/patteri200.mpg..
http://www.finnishpower.net/pics/patteri200.mpg..
I changed stuff around today based on the suggestions
I was doing a stance narrower even than shoulder width
Switched to a little wider than shoulder width, and now I spread my knees so that I come down between the knees more than on top of them.
I feel it a little less in my quads, but then again my knee was totally pain-free today. Plus I can handle more weight
no complaints there.
Thanks dudes
I was doing a stance narrower even than shoulder width
Switched to a little wider than shoulder width, and now I spread my knees so that I come down between the knees more than on top of them.
I feel it a little less in my quads, but then again my knee was totally pain-free today. Plus I can handle more weight
no complaints there.Thanks dudes
wnt2bBeast
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im guessing with your narrow stance your knees were getting too far over your toes..your quads will grow plenty even with a wide stance..if you should get nagging pain again try using light wraps..i used to think they were a crutch but ive had knee surgery so for 315 and higher i wrap em up as my sets get heavier i wrap tighter..casualbb said:I changed stuff around today based on the suggestions
I was doing a stance narrower even than shoulder width
Switched to a little wider than shoulder width, and now I spread my knees so that I come down between the knees more than on top of them.
I feel it a little less in my quads, but then again my knee was totally pain-free today. Plus I can handle more weight
Thanks dudes
d3track said:
belt and wraps are good.
not evil.
pad on bar when squatting is evil.
here's an article by dave draper, former mr. universe and a bodybuilder who also cares about strength:
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Ready for Action, Ready or Not
Throughout my workouts I regularly strap, wrap and cinch myself together
to protect this or that and to enable me to outdo my unsupported self.
This is quite legitimate as few athletes of any sport perform free of gear
of one sort or another for very long. Continual adjustments are required
as I move about the equipment in my multi-set fashion to secure one pair
of wraps suitable for one particular exercise and release another that is
not. Certain straps need to be bound tightly to enable me to exceed a
joint's limits and quick removal is advisable as circulation is inhibited
-- Thank heaven for Velcro.
My belt is necessary for the overhead load yet resists my efforts when
bent over and pulling at an angle. The wrist strap has been in place too
long and my hand is deep blue, swelling and numb. Anybody see my belt? I
thought I left it here by the chalk box. Heavy-duty knee wraps take
tedious minutes to gather and re-roll while the wrist straps and elbow
wraps, looped around my appendages, hang long and loose between sets. I
look like the Curse Of The Untidy Mummy in a tank top and Nikes.
Supersetting squats with pullovers is engaging as I juggle my
belt-cinching and knee wrap procedures (wrapping, un-wrapping and
re-rolling) for the heavy leg movement with tight wrist strapping and
meticulous elbow wrapping (or is it strapping?) for the pullover. A
notorious volume trainer I sometimes carry on like a clown for seven or
ten rounds of this act before fatigue and confusion overcome me. Once I
hoisted a loaded Buffalo Bar across my shoulders and backed out of the
rack to dig into a hopeful set of four reps... you can do it, Draper. I
squinted into the polished mirror before me and noted that my wrists were
impenetrably bound in heavy-duty safety-red elastic binding, my
bandage-fortified elbows could take a bullet and my absolutely
indispensable thick black leather belt lay limply next to my rumpled,
totally essential knee wraps on the floor behind me. Something's wrong
with this reflection. I got the reps but it's confusing out there.
Oh, yeah. I never fail to carry water, a power drink, tissues (runny nose)
and a towel on my excursions and on occasion add gloves, bar
grip-expanders and a manta ray to the collection. Exhausting. I have
enough inventory and strategies for a small business. One day I will go
Public.
There are times when I go out to the wilds of the gym floor, er, naked:
just my gym clothes and me. What freedom. What courage. What innocence.
Truth is, the goofy heap of added attractions allows me to train harder
and heavier with less risk and less damage and soreness. I'm getting the
hang of it after all these years and I appreciate the hand-eye
coordination and the pacing mechanism their application provides. They
contribute a playful dimension to the already playful sport without
resorting to aerobic contraptions resembling Harleys and Corvettes. They
come in pairs and in colors and are under twenty bucks, belts excluded.
wnt2bBeast
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i do agree with Needsizes explanation for not using a belt..i think for beginners its important to not use one to develop the accessory muscles used for squatting and deadlifting..if you dont use a belt now thats fine dont feel u need to go get one..same with wraps...i use wraps to protect my knee that had surgery many years ago..i use a light wrap and adjust it according to the weight...also i dont even own a belt but ive talked with more experienced powerlifters and they suggested to use a belt but not drawn tightly jsut enough so that you can push your stomach out against it..i would suggest if your doing heavy singles or doubles to use wraps only for those sets..d3track said:
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Try this out really quick. Take off your shoes, stand up, relax, close your eyes and walk in place for a few seconds. Stop, and look down at your feet. Are they both pointing straight ahead? If they evert, are they symmetrical, or is one more pronounced than the other?
I think my peroneals are okay, although rolling them certainly wouldn't hurt.
I think this is my problem: my right psoas has always been really tight, and it seems like no matter how hard or long I stretch the bastard it won't loosen
Also my right posterior chain (glutes, hams) are VERY overdeveloped relative to the left, perhaps as a result of psoas tightness.
I think this is my problem: my right psoas has always been really tight, and it seems like no matter how hard or long I stretch the bastard it won't loosen
Also my right posterior chain (glutes, hams) are VERY overdeveloped relative to the left, perhaps as a result of psoas tightness.
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casualbb said:
Sounds like classic asymmetric hip dysfunction. Though it feels weird preempting that with "classic," lol...
Did you do that test? Did one foot splay outwards more than the other? Also, if you stand in the mirror, completely relaxed, does one shoulder appear lower than the other?
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casualbb said:
No, pelvic rotation. Legs that are actually unequal in length due to bone discrepancies is an incredibly rare deformity. Your legs may appear unequal, but it's because of muscular imbalance. As you know, bones go where muscles tell them.
Check out this page, and look at "condition 2." Of course this can be to varying degrees, so you probably don't look just like the picture.
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casualbb said:
I think you're making it a bit too difficult
Your shoulders are at different heights, no? That's the very definition of "asymmetry." It doesn't matter if you can "force it down," there's a reason your trap is tight. Resting position is what matters. You can make both feet point straight forward if you want, but that doesn't mean they'll stay there.
You could very well have some condition 1 symptoms as well, as many people do (and especially weightlifters), but its best to get condition 2 out of the way before you tackle anything else.
wnt2bBeast
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does your school have a strength coach for any of its sports teams? i would try to find out when they use the gym and see if he/she wouldnt mind taking a look at your form..the other alternative is to post a clip
ghettostudmuffin
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I'd go to a reputable chiropractor if I were you. If your spine is even slightly out of whack it can cause tons of weird, troubling and often painful problems. A good chiropractor is your friend. You will be happy to fork over the 40-50 bucks a visit once a week or every 2 weeks when you have no pain, feel good and lift good. As for you knee, Hmm? Could be: Knees going to far past toe, knees not tracking properly in same direction as foot position, trying to squat with feet straight ahead, should have some outward tilt, bouncing in the bottom, knee caving in on the way up, squatting in crap shoes that cause your foot to roll over slightly outward or inward when using heavy weights(have to by new gym shoes for this very reason).
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casualbb said:
It goes beyond that, unfortunately
On that same website is before, you can register and get a routine list of exercises for free for each condition. Each one is complete with videos. You don't need his equipment but it certainly makes the supine groin progressive easier.
