People that Believe in "Natural" Only Shouldn't Drive Cars Either.

[vinylgroover]

What are we arguing here? That steroids are not bad for your health.

Here's a revelation for you guys. I indulge in recreational drugs. That's right. I take MDMA probably every two to three months. And i know it's bad for my health. I have friends who do it too, and they like a lot of steroid users don't thnik it has any adverse effects.

I'm not naive and ignorant enough to believe that my recreational drug use isn't having harmful effects on me.

 

[gwl9dta4]

What are we arguing here? That steroids are not bad for your health.

Here's a revelation for you guys. I indulge in recreational drugs. That's right. I take MDMA probably every two to three months. And i know it's bad for my health. I have friends who do it too, and they like a lot of steroid users don't thnik it has any adverse effects.

I'm not naive and ignorant enough to believe that my recreational drug use isn't having harmful effects on me.

Well they may or may not have any adverse effects.

But surely you do not mean to compare a drug made in a bath tub or a toilet with a legitimate pharmaceutical with decaes of time and millions of dollars invested in research and development. Surely you are not comparing you MDMA to drugs with the potential to increase your lifespan and quality of life are you?

You need to take a basic course study in Hormones. But first look up the definition for "Hormone". Then when you understand it's definition you will be ready to take on basic studying about anabolic steroids.

 

[vinylgroover]

B fold,

The US Government has no interest in mUnzer or Benaziz, they were not even us citizens for a start.

Second, i don't read rubbish like flex magazine or any other bodybuilding mags for that matter.

Glw do you find it a mere coincidence that Halotestin was found in Munzer's body, the very drug that is responsible for destroying the liver and causing ulcers, which is what led to his death.

Or are you saying that a concrete block also hit munzer.

Please!

 

[gwl9dta4]

B fold,

The US Government has no interest in mUnzer or Benaziz, they were not even us citizens for a start.

Second, i don't read rubbish like flex magazine or any other bodybuilding mags for that matter.

Glw do you find it a mere coincidence that Halotestin was found in Munzer's body, the very drug that is responsible for destroying the liver and causing ulcers, which is what led to his death.

Or are you saying that a concrete block also hit munzer.

Please!

Ahh you see, now you are getting better at making your arguments. I see you listened to my suggestions on being compound specific. Yes Halotestin can cause SOME intestinal disturbances BUT not death, possible liver damage would occur FIRST. But it did not. Seems that Munzed had some congenital defects and the force feedings, staroids and other substances he might have been on did not help any.

But what did you learn here? Halotestin is to be taken with caution right? Well this goes a long way in helping you understand Anabolics and stopping in making blanket statements.
I bet Primobolan would have never caused ANY of those problems. See my point?

 

[vinylgroover]

GLW,

Let's get something straight. I have never denied that certain steroids are beneficial from a medical standpoint, but are you seriously telling me that the majority of steroid users are informed enough on the use of them to take them in a safe manner.

Steroids used in medical cases are done so in a controlled environment, administered by people (doctors) who are trained to do just that. The majority and i mean majority of steroid users are stacking and have no idea of what they are doing.

Methodone has medical benfits as well, but in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing.............

 

[b fold the truth]

B fold,

The US Government has no interest in mUnzer or Benaziz, they were not even us citizens for a start.

Second, i don't read rubbish like flex magazine or any other bodybuilding mags for that matter.

Glw do you find it a mere coincidence that Halotestin was found in Munzer's body, the very drug that is responsible for destroying the liver and causing ulcers, which is what led to his death.

Or are you saying that a concrete block also hit munzer.

Please!

Is there any other community in the world that says "steroids are bad" more than the United States? Probably not.

Glad you don't read Flex...but you seem to have Flex views about these two guys.

There are tons of people who, if found dead, have halotestin in their body...what is your point? Wait...you mean that ulcers are caused by halo...or that halo flat out causes ulcers and destroys the liver? And you are saying, for a fact, that this is what caused his death? Think about it...you are saying this as a fact.

Concrete block huh? Thanks for the low blow. Appreciate it.

B True

 

[gwl9dta4]

GLW,

Let's get something straight. I have never denied that certain steroids are beneficial from a medical standpoint, but are you seriously telling me that the majority of steroid users are informed enough on the use of them to take them in a safe manner.

Steroids used in medical cases are done so in a controlled environment, administered by people (doctors) who are trained to do just that. The majority and i mean majority of steroid users are stacking and have no idea of what they are doing.

Methodone has medical benfits as well, but in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing.............

That is a different argument all together, but a true one none the less. I agree that the average user is a dumb ass. I know of several who must get "ripped for summer" or "bulk up".

But there are many who are schooled enough to use them safely, it's really not that hard IF you do your homework. But all in all i can't argue with the logic of having medical supervision. I would like this way to be available to us but it's not. However plastic surgery is, but working out with a help from anabolics is illegal. Go figure.

 

[vinylgroover]

I offer my unreserved apology for the low blow. No excuse for it.

I'm from Australia, not the US. You guys don't seemt o understand the thread of my argument.

I maintain that steroids have a legitimate use in society and they can benefit society medically.

But steroid consumption the way it is used in bodybuilding is no different to abuse of any other drug, be it legal or illegal. Bodybuilders are not taking steroids to as a temporary or even long term aid to rehabilitation. They are not taking steroids for what they are designed, are not taking them in a controlled situation and do not know what the hell they are doing in most cases.

That is my argument. You guys persist in following the line that i'm anti-steroids. Far from it. I am against the use and means ny which they are used in bodybuilding.

 

[Wombat]

Wombat,

What about Andreas Munzer, Momo Benaziza, just to name a couple who you would have heard of, and countless others who are not professional who die but you never hear about it. Let's not bury our head in the sand people and dismiss the harmful side effects of steroids.

Sure they have medical benefits as well, but they are administered under medical supervision in a controlled environment. That is in stark comparison to a gym junkie who knows SFA about what he is taking, particulalry when they are stacking multiple steroids. How the hell do they know what they're doing. Or are you going to trot out the usual crap that bodybuilders know what they're doing when it comes to steroids

not the cause but it really doesn't matter------If steroids were so lethel, you wouldn;t be naming names but numbers like tobacco and alcohol...


If you think halotestin is a lethal drug, take a look at what some elderly people take just to stay alive. or aids patients-and cancer patients----some of the drugs they take make halo look like a popsicle. Your looking for reason not to take such things and thats o.k. more power to you----But when you have something wrong with your body, you will be the first person to take whatever is prescribed to you by a general practitioner(thats right)not a specialist but some kid who thinks he knows everything----all I'm saying is TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND AND STOP LISTENING TO PROPAGANDA and educate yourself----I can bump a gram of test a week and see my Blood pressure rise-----or I can eat a pound of cheese on my taco with hot salsa and see the same rise---the diff-or the two is the gram of test is going to help my self esteem but the cheese and salsa that the every day joe does will do the opposite----Gee what a tuff choice----500,000 people die every year of heart disease(what percent is as. with steroids ---just a guess but probably ....00000001%---I think I'll take my chances----Keep doing your E ---and look down on those how take hormones-----I feel bad for your wife or girlfriend who wants to go on the pill(because as you see it ---hormones kill-----Either wake up or move on...peace

 

[Wombat]

My above statment really wasn't said to put you down and I'm sorry if it came off that way.....I have all the respect in the world for you if you truly believe in what you do.....Elite fitness is full of steroid users----and with that said I hope you can understand how your view may be looked"Down" upon.....If you can sling the truth, you have my respect.....when you start making accusations as in munzner and others with no evidence other then general practitioners saying they died because of this, you loose credibility with most---lets move on...peace