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PCT with sust 100
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*The_West*
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obviously this has been doctor prescribed, but wont fortnightly jabs of sust cause severly fluctuating levels of test, and therefore put the patient more at risk of potential side effects?
*The_West*
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what im going on, is that when using steroids you arrange the days that you inject on so as to try and achieve stable blood levels of testosterone, as it is widely believed to be the 'peaks and troughs' that play a major contributing factor in the onset of potential negative side effects.jassdhali said:Okay now I'm worried..can someone help me with some more information, because I have to see my doc in a week, would love to test his knowledge. Thanks for your help guys
jassdhali
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Only going off what the doc is saying 1999, what would total HRT involve?1999TL said:
I can get pharma grade Sust 100 - so I may go down this route varga.
PCT wasn't an issue cos I thought as the doc was prescribing it it wouldn't warrant it Varga.
All this info is great bro's thanks a million - the more I know the more I can throw at the doc, to see if he actually knows what he is prescribibg to me.
*The_West*
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to be honest, it doesnt sound like he is 100% sure on what he is doing. now, im no doctor, only a humble noob paramedic/er nurse, but he should know that fortnightly injections of sustanon will cause fluctuating levels of test and pave the way for possible side effects. on hrt, you wouldnt be doing a pct as such, as you are not 'on cycle' it is, if you will, a continous mild cycle, and therefore may warrant some form of a.i, and i would also imagine some hcg. i cant see the logic in him prescribing sustanon, as opposed to test e or c.jassdhali said:
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/sustenon-ed-599911.html
check this thread out
check this thread out
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jassdhali said:
If you do sus it will work @ maybe 100mg a week. If the doc wants to prescribe sust 100 every 2 weeks is mostly done because of the frequent injections! The hormone levels will be all over the place though. Some ppl though don't mind dealing with an injection ever 2 weeks and deal with that hormone fluctuation. THat's how my doc started me at 200mg E2Weeks which was useless and could not stand the ups and downs.
The reason I mentioned PCT was the 6 months you had your mind set on runnig this.....If you go on forever then no PCT
I can tell you from what you telling us here that your doc is very conservative
How much do you weigh? If you light that may play a role in his dosage too.
jassdhali
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Its not that I have set my mind on 6 months - just that my next blood test is in 6 months, so I am taking it the minimum. I currently weigh approx 96Kg @ 30% BF. Which I am currently on the road to reducing.Varga said:
Varga with the ups and downs - how did that actually manifest in your mood etc...
jassdhali said:
I've been using test cyp and its good for about 8-10 days at most. During this period I feel good, energetic and ok sex drive.
Then day 10-14 is poor. I feel like sleeping a lot, fatique, no libido and bitchy LOL. That also goes on 4 more days after the injection till the cyp kicks in again. Trust me, it's not fun.
I rather inject 1x a week with 100mg than 200mg every 2 weeks.
I cant imagine 100mg ever 2 weeks, and you are not a small guy either.
jassdhali
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Sorry to go over old stuff, just been doing some more checking as most bros are saying that a fortnightly jab of sustanon 100 would make my test levels unstable, looking at all the sites about 1/2 life of sustanon they all state 15-18 days.. I'm more confused now than ever...help pls
*The_West*
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the thing with sustanon is it is made up of 4 esters of test, all with different halflife, some short, some long. most people who know what they're doing inject eod to make the best use of the prop ester. this is why i cant see the logic in prescribing sustanon as trt, as opposed to test e or cjassdhali said:
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for what purpose? cycles or trt? for cycles, i would say its personal preference. for trt, i wouldnt have thought there would be much between them, down to the doc to decide. but you cant always rely on a doc, as shown in this thread. im actually very curious to see what jassdahli's doc has to say when he asks him the reason for prescribing sustanon fornightly for trt.FunFun said:
jassdhali
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Update - went to see my doc & these are the levels:
Testosterone 9.1 nmol/L
Considered range 9.9 - 27.8 nmol/L
Thats all the results he had back from the lab. Looking at some bros blood work results these results aren't exactly detailed.
My doc believes they are low but not extremely low - but still enough to warrant some medication - but he believes my pituatry, endocrine glands and testes are functioning fine.
On the question of a fortnightly jab - he doesnt believe the levels will rise & drop as dramatically as I have stated ( basically dismissed the idea)
He wants to carry on fotnightly for 6 months then re do blood test to see what the levels are at, if they are ok he is considering a maintenance jab every 3 months.
I asked about pct and he reckons that my body will kick in as normall once the course has finished and I shouldn't have any problems.
Basically I believe he is totally clueless because if my levels were low to begin with - what the hell are they gonna be like when I stop this course !!!!!
My option now is to either stick on this fortnightly jab or substiute one myself so that I have one sus 100 every week for the 6 months - then have the blood test again.
PLEASE HELP BRO'S
Testosterone 9.1 nmol/L
Considered range 9.9 - 27.8 nmol/L
Thats all the results he had back from the lab. Looking at some bros blood work results these results aren't exactly detailed.
My doc believes they are low but not extremely low - but still enough to warrant some medication - but he believes my pituatry, endocrine glands and testes are functioning fine.
On the question of a fortnightly jab - he doesnt believe the levels will rise & drop as dramatically as I have stated ( basically dismissed the idea)
He wants to carry on fotnightly for 6 months then re do blood test to see what the levels are at, if they are ok he is considering a maintenance jab every 3 months.
I asked about pct and he reckons that my body will kick in as normall once the course has finished and I shouldn't have any problems.
Basically I believe he is totally clueless because if my levels were low to begin with - what the hell are they gonna be like when I stop this course !!!!!
My option now is to either stick on this fortnightly jab or substiute one myself so that I have one sus 100 every week for the 6 months - then have the blood test again.
PLEASE HELP BRO'S
jassdhali said:
If you take sus 100 every week for 6 months, the best you can hope for is a drop in your own natural test production. What are you trying to achieve? If it's HRT, then you just keep going and there won't be any need for PCT.
If you're trying to stimulate your production, then the last thing you need to be doing is taking supplementary testosterone in any form. If this is what you're after, then go on aggressive PCT now including HCG. Give that a go for a few months, and re-test. If you cannot get your own production up to normal levels, then you should consider permanent HRT.
jassdhali said:
OK, so being low already you're not really looking to boost your own production. In that case you're best off getting the best possible TRT. I don't think Sustanon at 100 mg per fortnight is enough and the injection is too infrequent to keep your levels stable.
I'm in the same boat as you...with very low natural production. I'm on a cycle right now, but soon I'm coming off and looking for the best possible TRT post cycle. I'm think of going on cypionate or enanthate injected at 100 mg every 5 days...I'll buy and inject myself as I live in SE Asia and don't wish to deal with the doctors here. If the goal is to go on HRT, then it makes sense to at least use enough to help with building muscle...and keep a stable level.
I think doctors like to inject every 2 or 3 weeks because it's convenient for them and the patients. I think a lot of non-bodybuilding patients would freak out at the prospect of having to get injections every week or less (for life), so they just take the easy way out...but not the best way.
For me an injection will set me back about $2.50 so it's not a big deal.
There has been one extremely beneficial result from my current cycle. It seems that the extra testosterone has drastically improved my blood glucose levels. In fact I've gone from pre-diabetic 3 months ago to totally normal...and that's consuming a relatively high level of carbs.
Testosterone injections (Sustanon®, Primoteston®)
Testosterone injections of 1 ml are given into the muscle, usually the buttock, every two to three weeks, depending upon the dose needed and the response achieved. Injections of 250 mg are standard treatment, although lower doses (100 mg) may be used. Some men are sensitive to the wide variations in testosterone levels across the weeks, or they find the injections painful, and other delivery methods should be considered. As the testosterone is dissolved in an oily base, it should be warmed to room temperature to make injection easier.
Testosterone injections should not be given to men with bleeding disorders, including those men taking anti-coagulants (blood thinning medication).
Long acting testosterone injections (Reandron® 1000)
Very recently a new intramuscular injectable form of testosterone that lasts up to 14 weeks was approved in Australia. This form of testosterone is given as a deep injection into the buttock. Following the initial injection a second injection is given at 6 weeks and then approximately every 12 weeks thereafter. The testosterone is released slowly so that men do not experience the peaks and troughs that are common with standard injections. This form of treatment is not appropriate in men who have bleeding disorders (or who are taking blood thinning medication).
Testosterone injections of 1 ml are given into the muscle, usually the buttock, every two to three weeks, depending upon the dose needed and the response achieved. Injections of 250 mg are standard treatment, although lower doses (100 mg) may be used. Some men are sensitive to the wide variations in testosterone levels across the weeks, or they find the injections painful, and other delivery methods should be considered. As the testosterone is dissolved in an oily base, it should be warmed to room temperature to make injection easier.
Testosterone injections should not be given to men with bleeding disorders, including those men taking anti-coagulants (blood thinning medication).
Long acting testosterone injections (Reandron® 1000)
Very recently a new intramuscular injectable form of testosterone that lasts up to 14 weeks was approved in Australia. This form of testosterone is given as a deep injection into the buttock. Following the initial injection a second injection is given at 6 weeks and then approximately every 12 weeks thereafter. The testosterone is released slowly so that men do not experience the peaks and troughs that are common with standard injections. This form of treatment is not appropriate in men who have bleeding disorders (or who are taking blood thinning medication).
