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informed09

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I finished a cycle about 2-1/2 months ago and still not recovered. This was my 5th cycle and this has never happend. Took hcg(21,000IU) along with nolva and clomid. Testes are still tight and not hanging. Erections are alot better but still not close to what they use to be. I was thinking of trying another round of PCT with a heavy dose of HCG and nolva. What do you guys think?
 
Ulter said:
I would go with another round of HCG/nolva but nowhere near that much. You need to stay under 10,000iu per pct. If it doesn't come around then try AM dbol. You should also be using 1mg/day of arimidex until you're back to normal.
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How would you dose the HCG and for how long?
 
informed09 said:
How would you dose the HCG and for how long?
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not Ulter, but you can do 3wks at 1000IU MWF plus nolva along with 1mg adex daily. 6wks of this should get you where you want to be. depending on how long and how much HCG you have used, you may getting less sensitive to it.
 
crfpilot14 said:
not Ulter, but you can do 3wks at 1000IU MWF plus nolva along with 1mg adex daily. 6wks of this should get you where you want to be. depending on how long and how much HCG you have used, you may getting less sensitive to it.
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So run the hcg for 3wks along with the nolva and adex. Continue the nolva and adex for an additional 3 weeks?
 
Ulter said:
I would go with another round of HCG/nolva but nowhere near that much. You need to stay under 10,000iu per pct. If it doesn't come around then try AM dbol. You should also be using 1mg/day of arimidex until you're back to normal.
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yep
I can vouch for the liquidex helping closing the loop to get things started again
and pushing T to the highest natural limit
:Perk:
 
it has "business"

that is when Estrogen levels are at its highest relative to T

so it only makes sense to supress it
 
informed09 said:
How come you hear from some that adex has no buisness being in pct?
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In my opinion Adex significantly assists in PCT. I think some people believe it “has no place” post cycle as it may force estrogen and good HDL cholesterol too low. I’d only see this as a problem if you were to stay on high dose Adex for several months.

I also use it during my cycle (along with small amounts of HCG) as in helps to control E2 all the way through therefore ensuring a quick and easy recovery / while gains are nicely maintained.
 
I am wondering the OP's stats, as well as what his last cycle was that is causing him to be shut down for so long.

Stuff like this scares me.


Bluesman
 
sigmund said:
I also use it during my cycle (along with small amounts of HCG) as in helps to control E2 all the way through therefore ensuring a quick and easy recovery / while gains are nicely maintained.
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sigmund could you please elaborate on how you run HCG and ADEX while on cycle?

how long is the cycle? etc

thankyou
 
some so called "experts" post bad info on these boards and the crap gets propagated by the followers and wannabes on here. as stated above, knowledge evolves from experience. there is no set PCT that works for everyone. some can recover with minimal stimulation. others require much more. it is better to err on the side of caution and run the longer PCT regimens as the side effects are minimal compared to the effects of being shut down. in a perfect world you would monitor your E2 level TIW and titrate it to keep your E2 levels in the low normal range. but this isnt always feasible. Adex is great to use during PCT as it continues to prevent aromatization of the left over test and the natural test levels later in PCT. it is wise to taper your adex levels over a couple of weeks when coming off PCT. maybe ending your SERMs and then continuing the adex a week or so longer on a taper. you just have to play around with what works for you and stick with it. good luck with your recovery.
 
crfpilot14 said:
some so called "experts" post bad info on these boards and the crap gets propagated by the followers and wannabes on here. as stated above, knowledge evolves from experience. there is no set PCT that works for everyone. some can recover with minimal stimulation. others require much more. it is better to err on the side of caution and run the longer PCT regimens as the side effects are minimal compared to the effects of being shut down. in a perfect world you would monitor your E2 level TIW and titrate it to keep your E2 levels in the low normal range. but this isnt always feasible. Adex is great to use during PCT as it continues to prevent aromatization of the left over test and the natural test levels later in PCT. it is wise to taper your adex levels over a couple of weeks when coming off PCT. maybe ending your SERMs and then continuing the adex a week or so longer on a taper. you just have to play around with what works for you and stick with it. good luck with your recovery.
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Excellent

I for one am certain as to the efficacy of running 1 mg of Liquidex a day for 6-8 weeks after a cycle ( includes the 2 weeks after the last shot)
 
I am up to speed on PCT right now since I designed my own based on present cycle needs I would ay Liquidex is the corner stone of it aside from Clomid
 
OMEGA said:
sigmund could you please elaborate on how you run HCG and ADEX while on cycle?

how long is the cycle? etc

thankyou
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Sure Omega,

As an example: 10 weeker - Dbol / Test - I'd go with:

Adex .5mg ED and HCG 250IU's twice a week (say Fri & Mon) for the duration of the cycle.

Post cycle I up Adex to 1mg ED for 3 weeks and add an extra shot of HCG on a wednesday. I also add (50mg) clomid, 200:1 extract Tongkat Ali and a blend of aminos taken daily.
 
Just a thought. Is it possible that my E levels are to low and that is why im having problems. The reason I ask is b/c I have so clomid laying around and started taking it 3days ago. From time to time the testes are starting to hang better but it seems erections are worse now? Does that even come close to making sence. By the way i am waitng on my order for the rest of my pct
 
i think you are just shut down hard. you probably have the hormonal milieu of an 8yr old boy. :) get back on a solid PCT schedule for 6wks....better yet, go talk to jenetic on the PCT forum as he fields these types of questions all day long and usually has good solutions. good luck.
 
crfpilot14 said:
i think you are just shut down hard. you probably have the hormonal milieu of an 8yr old boy. :) get back on a solid PCT schedule for 6wks....better yet, go talk to jenetic on the PCT forum as he fields these types of questions all day long and usually has good solutions. good luck.
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8 or 80 yr old cant decide which one
 
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