PCT questions

[access]

Even though your running Proviron at end of cycle I would still run Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for PCT - post cycle therapy - at 10-20mgs/day for 3 weeks. Also HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - after lost shot at 500IU's for 10 days won't hurt.

 

[Bruce]

the bottom line is clomid is what a doctor will prescribe at 50-100mg ed for 3-5 weeks after cycle use. i would never ever sub out derma or anything for clomid. that would be like a doctor telling you to go get herbs to rub on a wound that required real antibiotics. you are comparing a supp that has not been approved with a tried and true medicine used by professional medical people. clomid is going to bring back your natural test levels better than anything. go ask fucking any real deal bber if they stopped taking clomid for derma. nolva is ok if clomid sides are unbearable but clomid has been most effective for me and most others i know who actually look like they do steroids dont' just talk

 

[ricorico]

the bottom line is clomid is what a doctor will prescribe at 50-100mg ed for 3-5 weeks after cycle use. i would never ever sub out derma or anything for clomid. that would be like a doctor telling you to go get herbs to rub on a wound that required real antibiotics. you are comparing a supp that has not been approved with a tried and true medicine used by professional medical people. clomid is going to bring back your natural test levels better than anything. go ask fucking any real deal bber if they stopped taking clomid for derma. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is ok if clomid sides are unbearable but clomid has been most effective for me and most others i know who actually look like they do steroids dont' just talk

THank you!!!!.......see u chimed in on both threads....K to u...

 

[Primordial Performance]

Aromasin isn't going to hurt his sex drive. Aromasin would not be used for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - because of any circulating estrogen from the steroids he's using. PCT begins WHEN THE STEROIDS ARE GONE so there is very little estrogen anytime you start PCT. So what difference does it make whether or not the steroids he used aromatize or not? It doesn't.
Using Aromasin will cause the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - to continue sending signals to the testes to produce testosterone even as the natural test production comes back online and would otherwise be weaker.
Normal use of Clomid is not dangerous to anyone's health. It's been used by thousands of men on this board for over a decade. No one has ever reported that it's use resulted in a life threatening or dangerous health condition. Please post where you're getting this information.
Using supplement in place of pharmaceuticals has it's place in a world where holistic remedies are used for everything from cancer prevention to heart disease. But I'll use drugs for my PCT thank you. And I recommend others do the same.

Bro, you are way off base.

Are you saying that running 2000mg of Test enanthate is going to leave the same amount of estrogen in your system as 500mg of Primobolan - methenolone - ?

If this is what your saying I suggest you don’t give PCT advice on puplic forum, as your likely to jeopardize someone’s health with your grossly miss-informed statements. I doubt your really interested, but if you want to know where I get my info on clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - I suggest you read my attached thesis – I provide about 60 scientific references to demonstrate the toxicity of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and clomid. Clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - are not healthy drugs by any means, and if you can avoid excess exposure to them you should.

The fact is, this guy would have absolutely no need for a steroidal aromatase inhibitor such as aromasin for PCT, especially if you runs HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - on cycle like he should. Remember, estrogen is not completely evil.

BTW Bruce, plenty of BB’s have switched from clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - to Derma Sustain and they are more than happy with the switch. I don’t think being a "professional BB" has any merit whatsoever. Besides, most professional BB’s are running hCG on cycle and arnt even touching clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - since there is no need for them.

-Pp

 

[DJ_UFO]

HCG
clomid
derma sustain
unleashed
post cycle
myogenx
maca
horny goat weed

no more fights...

 

[JohnnyWest]

There is no need for an aromatase inhibitor as strong as Aromasin with a cycle like this. He isn’t using any estrogenic compounds, so he wont have any estrogen production to suppress. His estrogen will already be rock bottom by the end of his cycle. Using Aromasin would likely just further hurt his sex drive.

Im not sure what your implying about “health”…. Since Clomid can be quite damaging to your health. As with most pharmaceuticals, their use often comes with a consequence whether it’s immediately noticeable or not.

-Pp

Primordial, you msunderstood my post

he does not need to run aromasin during the cycle, we know that, but if you are running a serm without an aromatase inhinitor during pct you will have an estrogen rebound once you stop taking the SERM, for clarification, its because of your bodies own estro production will be high enough to suppress your own test production

there a few studies citing the dangers of clomid, but in reality, it has been used for decades by bodybuilders and rec users with no noteworthy side effects to speak of

i wasn't implying your supplements are unhealthy, i was saying if a person didnt properly recover there natty test, they wouldn't be in optimal "health"

what do you mean by iediately noticeable or not? are you saying clomid has long term effects

 

[JohnnyWest]

Bro, you are way off base.

Are you saying that running 2000mg of Test enanthate is going to leave the same amount of estrogen in your system as 500mg of Primobolan - methenolone - ?

If this is what your saying I suggest you don’t give PCT - post cycle therapy - advice on puplic forum, as your likely to jeopardize someone’s health with your grossly miss-informed statements. I doubt your really interested, but if you want to know where I get my info on clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - I suggest you read my attached thesis – I provide about 60 scientific references to demonstrate the toxicity of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and clomid. Clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - are not healthy drugs by any means, and if you can avoid excess exposure to them you should.

The fact is, this guy would have absolutely no need for a steroidal aromatase inhibitor such as aromasin for PCT, especially if you runs HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - on cycle like he should. Remember, estrogen is not completely evil.

BTW Bruce, plenty of BB’s have switched from clomid/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - to Derma Sustain and they are more than happy with the switch. I don’t think being a "professional BB" has any merit whatsoever. Besides, most professional BB’s are running hCG on cycle and arnt even touching clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - since there is no need for them.

-Pp

what do you mean "especially" if he uses hcg? he should use an AI "espacially" if hes using hcg because it rapidly raises estrogen levels - it is good to have a little bit of estrogen, if you libido gets kelled by 10mgED, go to EOD or E3D until you get it right

I think the point he was trying to make was whether or not you have aromatising compounds in your cycle, you still need to deal with estrogen during PCT

 

[Primordial Performance]

what do you mean "especially" if he uses HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ? he should use an aromatase inhibitor "espacially" if hes using HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - because it rapidly raises estrogen levels - it is good to have a little bit of estrogen, if you libido gets kelled by 10mgED, go to EOD or E3D until you get it right

I think the point he was trying to make was whether or not you have aromatising compounds in your cycle, you still need to deal with estrogen during PCT - post cycle therapy -

Sorry, bad explanation -- I was trying to say that he wouldn’t need the Aromasin for PCT since he wouldn’t be running hCG. (Since he would have ran a low dose of hCG during the cycle to keep his testes working)

Im familiar with the estrogenic rebound from clomid or nolva… which is why I recommend the Dermacrine Sustain since it has the aromatase inhibitors and SERM activity – but not so powerful to cause potential problems and not a steroid like the Aromasin is. (double edged sword for PCT)

The long-term health risks of clomid and nolva are outlined in the attached article I posted.

-Pp

 

[JohnnyWest]

Sorry, bad explanation -- I was trying to say that he wouldn’t need the Aromasin for PCT - post cycle therapy - since he wouldn’t be running HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . (Since he would have ran a low dose of hCG during the cycle to keep his testes working)

Im familiar with the estrogenic rebound from clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - … which is why I recommend the Dermacrine Sustain since it has the aromatase inhibitors and selective estrogen receptor modulator activity – but not so powerful to cause potential problems and not a steroid like the Aromasin is. (double edged sword for PCT)

The long-term health risks of clomid and Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - are outlined in the attached article I posted.

-Pp

okay man, nothing worse then misunderstanding eachother