PCT HELP thanks

[Clintro]

Took last shot of Test E today
cycle was
tren a 100mg eod 1-5
test prop 100mg eod 1-4
test E 500mg 1-16

When should i start my PCT
Gonna do 10 days consecutive of 500iu's HCG
Whats recommendation on Clomid?
50mg a day? For how long?
Continue AIFM throughout PCT
Have all on hand
Thanks

 

[Mac173]

I would start the clomid 2wks after last injection at 50mg ed for 3-4wks.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Drop the AIFM for PCT, it will hinder recovery because of the steroidal AI and DHEA. Dermacrine Sustain would be a much better choice for PCT.

25mg/day of the clomid will do the same job at recovery with less side effects than 50mg/day. Limit your time and dose on this drug as much as possible.

-Pp

 

[Clintro]

Thanks bro's, When do i need to start the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ?

 

[Primordial Performance]

Thanks bro's, When do i need to start the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - ?

ASAP.

Next time, run it during the cycle. Not after.

Good luck.

-Pp

 

[Nelson Montana]

There's no set way of doing this but I feel that it's best top start a little earlier than later, especially the HCG. If you can get your natural T up, what's the problem?

As for Clomid, it's chancy. If you have high e, it will (may) compete with the existing e and prevent it from binding, BUT, if your e is low it'll just add MORE and then you get those girly girl sides. I prefer adex and a natural supp be it Dermacrine, CytogenX or protein factory's POST CYCLE.

 

[Phaded]

what color powder is clomid?

i have 2 sets of capsules one is nov and one is clomid.. dunno which is which how can i tell.. never taken either..

 

[Primordial Performance]

what color powder is clomid?

i have 2 sets of capsules one is nov and one is clomid.. dunno which is which how can i tell.. never taken either..

They are both off-white… but I don’t think that’s gonna help…

-Pp

 

[Phaded]

:*(

 

[Mrpumped]

Drop the AIFM for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , it will hinder recovery because of the steroidal aromatase inhibitor and DHEA. Dermacrine Sustain would be a much better choice for PCT.

25mg/day of the clomid will do the same job at recovery with less side effects than 50mg/day. Limit your time and dose on this drug as much as possible.

-Pp

This is bullshit; don't believe him. He just wants you to drop AF products and buy his. Steroidal AI's do not hinder recovery. If they did, Aromasin would lower LH instead of raising it and you previously recommended DHEA in the other version for PCT. You need to make your mind.

As far as the Clomid goes, more isn't always better. Start with the 25mg after 3 weeks of 500iu per day of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , which you should begin 1 week after your last injection.

 

[xrsist]

Took last shot of testosterone enanthate today
cycle was
trenbolone a 100mg eod 1-5
test testosterone propionate 100mg eod 1-4
test E 500mg 1-16

When should i start my PCT - post cycle therapy -
Gonna do 10 days consecutive of 500iu's HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin -
Whats recommendation on Clomid?
50mg a day? For how long?
Continue AIFM throughout PCT
Have all on hand
Thanks

bro start your H`C`G the day after your last shot of test at the dose you have listed for 10 days, 5 days after finishing H`C`G start clomid at 50mg ED for 20-30 days, no need for anymore or anyless. you can use aifm during P`C`T but i wouldnt use it all the way thru, use it for the first week or 2 tops. enjoy

 

[worldclass]

Drop the AIFM for PCT - post cycle therapy - , it will hinder recovery because of the steroidal aromatase inhibitor and DHEA. Dermacrine Sustain would be a much better choice for PCT.

25mg/day of the clomid will do the same job at recovery with less side effects than 50mg/day. Limit your time and dose on this drug as much as possible.

-Pp

Aromasin is a steroidal AI. It raises LH levels. So how does it hinder recovery?
There are several months of posts by you claiming DHEA should be used for PCT. Now you're saying it shouldn't?

It's pretty obvious Mrpumped is correct. You're recommending your product over someone elses just for the sake of making the sale rather than having this person's best interest in mind.

 

[Pikaberdot]

No need to drop the AIFM. Why do you think so many people use a SERM and an AI at the same time during PCT?

 

[Mac173]

bro start your H`C`G the day after your last shot of test at the dose you have listed for 10 days, 5 days after finishing H`C`G start clomid at 50mg ED for 20-30 days, no need for anymore or anyless. you can use aifm during P`C`T but i wouldnt use it all the way thru, use it for the first week or 2 tops. enjoy

agreed

 

[Primordial Performance]

This is bullshit; don't believe him. He just wants you to drop AF products and buy his. Steroidal aromatase inhibitor's do not hinder recovery. If they did, Aromasin would lower lh - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - instead of raising it and you previously recommended DHEA in the other version for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . You need to make your mind.

As far as the Clomid goes, more isn't always better. Start with the 25mg after 3 weeks of 500iu per day of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - , which you should begin 1 week after your last injection.

Mrpumped,

The evangelists over on the AF board have you brainwashed that all AF products are superior, and anything not AF is garbage. Ive seen the trash talk on that board, and it is over-the-top ridiculous.

If the original poster had been using AIFM throughout the entire cycle then his estrogen would already be low from this. Continuing to suppress estrogen with an overly powerful aromatase inhibitor such as ATD (or aromasin) will NOT help recovery and will only desensitize his testes to LH. A little estrogen is a good thing. You will not find a single study which shows an aromatase inhibitor increasing LH when estrogen levels are already non-existent. Excuse me if I didn’t explain this in my original post.

The makers of AIFM would never admit that DHEA shouldn’t be used for PCT since they’ve been pushing their AIFM for PCT for the last 2 years. DHEA will convert to testosterone and other androgens and this will slow recovery. We saw this problem, so we addressed it with a formula change (sustain). Ive said this many times before over the last several months. Look at the past threads.

-Pp

Aromatase inhibitors prevent granulosa cell differentiation: an obligatory role for estrogens in luteinizing hormone receptor expression M Knecht, AM Brodie, and KJ Catt Endocrinology, Sep 1985; 117: 1156

 

[Phaded]

so if i've been using aifm throughout my entire cycle should i use dermacrine normal or dermacrine sustain for my pct.. i have the normal dermacrine on hand right now..

 

[needtogetaas]

deff run the hcg during cycle next time and like nelson and pp said there is so much better out there for pct now then clomid...if you have to run the clomid the lower the better

 

[Primordial Performance]

so if i've been using aifm throughout my entire cycle should i use dermacrine normal or dermacrine sustain for my PCT - post cycle therapy - .. i have the normal dermacrine on hand right now..

You would use the Sustain for PCT.

But, some guys like to use the original Dermacrine for the last couple weeks of the cycle, or the first couple weeks of PCT to sort of “bridge” into full PCT – which is fine.

-Pp

 

[Phaded]

oh shit well as of tommorow i will have been off for 1 week should ijust start normal dermacrine tommorow and go ahead and order sustain for pct?

 

[Primordial Performance]

oh shit well as of tommorow i will have been off for 1 week should ijust start normal dermacrine tommorow and go ahead and order sustain for PCT - post cycle therapy - ?

Yeah you could run the Derma for a couple weeks till the longer esters clear... then run the sustain.

-Pp

 

[Phaded]

can you invoice me via paypal for sustain.. [email protected]

 

[needtogetaas]

oh shit well as of tommorow i will have been off for 1 week should ijust start normal dermacrine tommorow and go ahead and order sustain for PCT - post cycle therapy - ?

thats how I will be doing my pct

 

[Clintro]

Should i just take another shot of enanthate with my HCG in order to "continue" the cycle a little longer to help with PCT

 

[Primordial Performance]

Should i just take another shot of enanthate with my HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in order to "continue" the cycle a little longer to help with PCT - post cycle therapy -

Taking more test with hCG really wont help your PCT… you might as well just get off and start the HCG now.

-Pp

 

[Phaded]

should i be taking dermacrine right befor ei lift? or in the morning when i wake?

 

[Primordial Performance]

should i be taking dermacrine right befor ei lift? or in the morning when i wake?

You want to use the original Derma first thing in the morn. It doesnt mater when your run the Sustain.

-Pp

 

[Mrpumped]

Mrpumped,

The evangelists over on the AF board have you brainwashed that all AF products are superior, and anything not AF is garbage. Ive seen the trash talk on that board, and it is over-the-top ridiculous.

If the original poster had been using AIFM throughout the entire cycle then his estrogen would already be low from this. Continuing to suppress estrogen with an overly powerful aromatase inhibitor such as ATD (or aromasin) will NOT help recovery and will only desensitize his testes to lh - leutenizing hormone - . A little estrogen is a good thing. You will not find a single study which shows an aromatase inhibitor increasing LH when estrogen levels are already non-existent. Excuse me if I didn’t explain this in my original post.

The makers of AIFM would never admit that DHEA shouldn’t be used for PCT - post cycle therapy - since they’ve been pushing their AIFM for PCT for the last 2 years. DHEA will convert to testosterone and other androgens and this will slow recovery. We saw this problem, so we addressed it with a formula change (sustain). Ive said this many times before over the last several months. Look at the past threads.

-Pp

Aromatase inhibitors prevent granulosa cell differentiation: an obligatory role for estrogens in luteinizing hormone receptor expression M Knecht, AM Brodie, and KJ Catt Endocrinology, Sep 1985; 117: 1156

PP, no one has me brainwashed. I do my own research and apply what works for me. As far as estrogen being to low to allow for recovery, That's why an AI isn't used during HCG application. When HCG use is complete an AI is used with the Clomid or Nolva to lower the level of estrogen as it will be raised and help increase LH and FSH for recovery.

 

[Primordial Performance]

PP, no one has me brainwashed. I do my own research and apply what works for me. As far as estrogen being to low to allow for recovery, That's why an aromatase inhibitor isn't used during HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - application. When HCG use is complete an aromatase inhibitor is used with the Clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - to lower the level of estrogen as it will be raised and help increase lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - for recovery.

Past the AAS and the hCG, there wouldn’t be any reason to continue the steroidial AI. It would just be too strong.. and would further hurt cholesterol values, GH, and IGF-1 levels…Estrogen plays an important role in all of these hormones which will aid in PCT.

I got no problem with AF products, but I believe Sustain is a superior product for PCT so I recommended it.

-Pp