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littleb
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i am a FIRM believer in nolva clomid pct,,, now i add hcg as well,,,, but nolva at 20 mg a day clomid at 50mg a day,, no front loading for 20-30 days you will be fine.....
I have done that very same pct more then a few times with blood work to back up that it works,,, when i added hcg it was even better,, but clomid nolva pct is the tried and true pct........
I have done that very same pct more then a few times with blood work to back up that it works,,, when i added hcg it was even better,, but clomid nolva pct is the tried and true pct........
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Heath82
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You're bound to cause more side-effects by combining the two SERMs. There is nothing Clomid can add to 20mg/day nolvadex.
Nolvadex is a pure anti-estrogen at the hypothalamus, and more effective in all regaurds for PCT. If anything, you’re inhibiting the potential of Nolva by stacking it with Clomid.
Here is a little more reading on Clomid & Nolvadex >
Clomid & Nolvadex's Toxic Side Effects Exposed - Liver damage, Impotence, Cancer, Loss Of Vision
-Pp
Nolvadex is a pure anti-estrogen at the hypothalamus, and more effective in all regaurds for PCT. If anything, you’re inhibiting the potential of Nolva by stacking it with Clomid.
Here is a little more reading on Clomid & Nolvadex >
Clomid & Nolvadex's Toxic Side Effects Exposed - Liver damage, Impotence, Cancer, Loss Of Vision
-Pp
littleb
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I know they are very similar, and yes nolva is much stronger, but nolva also has its draw backs, such as its effects on igf-1 ,, now as to why clomid does not supress igf-1 to the same degree as nolva i actually am not sure,, but to me it would seem you would not want to take nolva at over 20mg for a long time.. here is a cut and paste from an interview with a certain lab,I cut it so you could not see the actual lab........Arimidex is THE anti-estrogen of choice for those that are extremely sensitive to elevated estrogen. Actually, arimidex is an anti-aromatase, it doesn't block estrogen like clomid or nolvadex, it actually prevents its formation. Arimidex is INCREDIBLY effective at suppressing estogen levels, and if used according to normal prescribing protocols, will usually totally eliminate estrogen from the body. This isn't what we want, because as I stated earlier, estrogen is a vital component to an effective cycle. Arimidex is usually prescribed at 1 mg/day. I'd recommend a far weaker dose, something like 1/4 mg every three days.
Speaking of nolvadex, I hate it!! Almost everyone I've talked to notices diminished gains when using nolvadex. That's because it has been proven to suppress IGF-1 levels in the body. Increasing IGF-1 levels is one of the non-receptor mediated pathways that makes steroids work so well. If you need additional estrogen suppression beyond that which is feasible with clomid, get some arimidex. Nolvdex is not the way to go, and if you can possibly avoid using it, do so!
all i am saying is that clomid still has its spot, I am curious as to how clomid can "inhibite nolvas potential" ??
Consider this, nolva can increase T production 20-30% with 20/mg day. You would have to take twice as much clomid for the same effect.
Clomid can get the job done, but its not as efficient as nolva. Clomid has a 50% mixture of zuclomiphene and enclomiphene. Enclomiphene is the primary anti-estrogen responsible for the effects you want [eg, boosting testosterone] However, the estrogenic zuclomiphene is the estrogenic isomer that causes the emotional side-effects, suppressed sex drive, and desensitization of the pituitary, which is why it can partly inhibit Testosterone production – sorta like taking 2 steps forward, and 1 step back. [also why you have to take twice as much for the same effect as Nolva]
This is probably why clomid may not reduce IGF-1 as much as nolva, since it is more estrogenic.
However, anything that reduces estrogen or blocks its effects is going to reduce IGF-1, even Arimidex. You just have to moderate your dose, whether it’s Nolva, Arimidex, Exemestane, ect.
-Pp
