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what could you do to clean out your pc if u knew the fuzz was gonna nab you? how could someone go about doing this? i was worried for a buddy of mine thanks
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hammercurls
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toss the hard drive or use evidence elimater. oh and clean house
Mammoth2500
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I don't trust much of those evidence erasers. Seeing as though i can recover data that has been erased, written over and moved by myself, i can't imagine what the FBI could do.
So the only real way to make sure your data is safe is to burn the hard drive. I would set up a external hard drive, put it in a sealed container thats fire safe. Then fill so called container with a highly flammable powder that burns with high intensity at like 1000 deg or more and rig it to a electric switch with a relay so if any event does happen, flick the switch and watch your hard drive melt away.
This recipe would do the trick: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4417900.html
So the only real way to make sure your data is safe is to burn the hard drive. I would set up a external hard drive, put it in a sealed container thats fire safe. Then fill so called container with a highly flammable powder that burns with high intensity at like 1000 deg or more and rig it to a electric switch with a relay so if any event does happen, flick the switch and watch your hard drive melt away.
This recipe would do the trick: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4417900.html
hammercurls
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lol you paraniod goose. good idear though.
Yep, Only way to REALLY erase stuff off a harddrive is to rearrange the drive itself! Magnetio! Check this link http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par14.htm
Get a large piece of steel, a car battery and lots of metal wire. wrap the metal wire around the piece of steel and put one end on the positive and one end on the negative. Voila! SUPER powerful electromagnet!
BECAREFUL, wear THICK rubber gloves. The volts running through that are very strong and can potentially kill a person.
Possible attach one end to a switch, connecting battery -> switch -> metal wire and keep this on the side of your computer so if the feds come a knockin' simply flip the switch and EVERYTHING on your computer is GONE and to my knowledge cant be salvaged.
Feds can recover drives deleted, reformatted and smashed. Because when you delete something your only deleting the shortcut to the file on your harddrive, but the actual imprint is still there.
A PGP encrypted file can do wonders.
Get a large piece of steel, a car battery and lots of metal wire. wrap the metal wire around the piece of steel and put one end on the positive and one end on the negative. Voila! SUPER powerful electromagnet!
BECAREFUL, wear THICK rubber gloves. The volts running through that are very strong and can potentially kill a person.
Possible attach one end to a switch, connecting battery -> switch -> metal wire and keep this on the side of your computer so if the feds come a knockin' simply flip the switch and EVERYTHING on your computer is GONE and to my knowledge cant be salvaged.
Feds can recover drives deleted, reformatted and smashed. Because when you delete something your only deleting the shortcut to the file on your harddrive, but the actual imprint is still there.
A PGP encrypted file can do wonders.
Mammoth2500
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hammercurls said:
Hehe i have no reason to be paraniod.. but if in any such case i was, thats what i would be doing
iron22 said:
i think the federal fucks have probably got this shit figured out, i don't know. there are kid feelers out there and these cock licks are worried about gear! WTF...here's what you do...take your hard drive, and a 13# sledge hammer in your yard- have a 20 min. workout-i can't see how they could recover shit!
Mammoth2500
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jc1908 said:
thats not going to work to well if they are knocking at your door
Mammoth2500 said:thats not going to work to well if they are knocking at your door
you are correct my brother, but he said 'if you knew the fuzz was gonna bust you"
if they are at your door no computer geek in the world could get your shit erased fast enough!!
It still pisses me off that we have kiddie feelers out there prowling on their pc"s and these motherfuckers are worried about us!
sorry mammoth, i get off subject now and then
Mammoth2500
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jc1908 said:
Ah well if someone knew they were coming just unplug your hard drive, replace it and take your other one to your buddies for storage lol.
And yes those kiddie feelers are as good as rapists in my books.
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BadboyAl
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Hey I happen to be a computer geek with my own computer company.
IF you are really worried, there is only one way to stop them for reading your hard drive. Basically open it up and smash the cylinders with a hammer!!
If you just throw it away they can retrieve from your garbage and read the info. If you just erase the info. The info isnt really erased its just doesnt have a link to your operating system. But the police and feds have a program that collects the loose data on the drive.
Basically if your really concerned smash it to shit.
IF you are really worried, there is only one way to stop them for reading your hard drive. Basically open it up and smash the cylinders with a hammer!!
If you just throw it away they can retrieve from your garbage and read the info. If you just erase the info. The info isnt really erased its just doesnt have a link to your operating system. But the police and feds have a program that collects the loose data on the drive.
Basically if your really concerned smash it to shit.
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Mr.X
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bc wipe the drive with DOD 7 passes
do it weekly
if the feds are knocking, trust me, your HD is the last thing you'll be worried about
do it weekly
if the feds are knocking, trust me, your HD is the last thing you'll be worried about
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Mr.X
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I'm pretty certain there is a back door to PGP
djsf
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I would use Evidence Eliminator which is a program that overwrites your files several times with scrambled random data, rendering them unreadable even by a forensics team. It's the only reliable way to eliminate evicence, other than physically destroying your hard drive.
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/product.d2w
Also, read this post I wrote on PC security. There are several users here who are giving away their identity in this forum. How? They are hosting their avatar or signature picture from their *personal* web site using a *public* domain they registered. I already found the true name and home address of one user on this board as an experiemental proof of this idea. I won't name him.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433022
http://www.evidence-eliminator.com/product.d2w
Also, read this post I wrote on PC security. There are several users here who are giving away their identity in this forum. How? They are hosting their avatar or signature picture from their *personal* web site using a *public* domain they registered. I already found the true name and home address of one user on this board as an experiemental proof of this idea. I won't name him.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433022
Me being in college, I use a different SCHOOL computer from different labs and libraries everyday to conduct AAS business. I use my personal computer for homework. If they come in and take my computer, I hope they like sorting through Calculus and Physics homework.
eliteforce
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ah smashing your hd everytime you get paranoid that the feds are coming seems like an expensive option, not to mention a total pain in the ass, keeping your stuff on a removable hd maybe-but howda ya know the booting drive isn't keeping some data from it in a system file somewhere and also a pain in the butt-and then where do you keep the romovable disk..
the best and esiest option:just keep anything related to aas transactions in your ef/cyberrights/hushmail email box..theres nothing illegal about looking at messageboards or surfing bb sites, the only illegal part are the aas deals themselves..
the best and esiest option:just keep anything related to aas transactions in your ef/cyberrights/hushmail email box..theres nothing illegal about looking at messageboards or surfing bb sites, the only illegal part are the aas deals themselves..
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BadboyAl
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Smashing the HD would only be if you were arrested or you had a warrent out for your arrest and you feel information on the HD could be used against you. IN this case f*ck the HD and smash it.
If your arrested for some possesion they arent going to search your HD for missing evidence.
Keeping info on a removable HD is not the answer because all your info is stored on your main drive unless you make your external HD your operating system driver. Which would be reasonable. You can easy disconnect and hide it.
But there is only 1 way to truly cover your ass. SMASH!
If your arrested for some possesion they arent going to search your HD for missing evidence.
Keeping info on a removable HD is not the answer because all your info is stored on your main drive unless you make your external HD your operating system driver. Which would be reasonable. You can easy disconnect and hide it.
But there is only 1 way to truly cover your ass. SMASH!
Satchboogie posted a link to a segment that ran on HBO awhile back about steroid use by older men. In the piece their were two guys, one about 40 years old and the other about 70, both evidently living in the US. They showed to 40 year old going down to Mexico for the gear apparantly to bring it back home. They also showed them injecting themselves and touting steroids as a wonder drug(which I believe they are).
Now why would these guys go on a show like that and divuldge all that info? I mean really! Why don't they just yell "Come and get me!!" This is why I am not too afraid of using gear. I find it hard to believe that the Feds would target some nobody for possessing enough gear for personal use.
I think, unless you distribute the only way you would get caught is if the cops stopped you for something else and just happened to come across the gear.
There are also alot of VERY obvious steroid users they could target to make an example out of besides my meaningless ass!
Bourget
Now why would these guys go on a show like that and divuldge all that info? I mean really! Why don't they just yell "Come and get me!!" This is why I am not too afraid of using gear. I find it hard to believe that the Feds would target some nobody for possessing enough gear for personal use.
I think, unless you distribute the only way you would get caught is if the cops stopped you for something else and just happened to come across the gear.
There are also alot of VERY obvious steroid users they could target to make an example out of besides my meaningless ass!
Bourget
Big_Joe
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Prizz said:
If you have an encrypted email account, such as hushmail, all the information is on hushmails server. It is difficult to crack your password, if you used a good passphrase. But there will be information in your browsers cache.
The best way to protect yourself is to not use a hard drive at all. For those times when you want to leave no trace boot off of a live linux CD. It will have everything in memory and nothing on the hard drive. When you poweroff it is all gone.
nuevo laredo
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BadboyAl said:
Right - that's really basic. I don't know sh1t about this stuff and still understand that. Writing a program to recover isn't any magic either - my roommate in college did it for a Computer Science class he was taking. With his program you had to manually identify a block of data that you thought was the beginning of a "deleted" file that wasn't referred to by the FAT table, and then his program would piece together the other blocks of data that formed the file. Worked great as long as pieces hadn't been overwritten by other files or the drive hadn't been defragged.
My employer provides different types of security from computer to personal. I don't do the computer stuff but those wankers tell me that once you have overwritten a deleted file a bunch of times with random data it is almost impossible to recover what was overwritten. They say there is still a chance to recover bits and pieces using something called an electron microscope but that whoever wants it done will pay a heavy tax (tens of thousands of $) and only get bits of files. Its the type of thing done when the stakes are very high.
How about we use a program to overwrite deleted files numerous times and then defrag our hard drive once a week? Does that sound like a recipe for some level of security?
It would be nice if an expert here put together a list of the top things to do and not do concerning security and perhaps a list of products to assist. Then turn that into a sticky.
djsf
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Overwriting the blocks on the disk with other files will make deleted files unrecoverable by undelete utilities, but a forensics team can still pull out the original data. It's like using a cassette recorder to record over one song with another. In the quiet passages you can still hear bits of the previous song. A forensics team can use a similar appriach to pull out the "old bits" from under the "new bits" (though my bet is they wouldn't bother doing that unless you were a suspected big-time dealer).
Evidence eliminator overrides delteted files something like 5-7 times with totally random data. The old bits cannot be recovered with that many overwrites. It's an inexpensive program for the truly paranoid.
Evidence eliminator overrides delteted files something like 5-7 times with totally random data. The old bits cannot be recovered with that many overwrites. It's an inexpensive program for the truly paranoid.
TheMesonator
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If it's a big enough issue, just open the thing up and break the platters. It's easy enough to do, and won't take more than 10 minutes. Sure, I guess you could call it expensive, but hard drives are so cheap these days that I don't consider it that big a hit.
I mean if it's a big enough deal to worry about for him seriously, isn't ~$100 worth it?
I mean if it's a big enough deal to worry about for him seriously, isn't ~$100 worth it?
