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P-Seven at AF

Yeah, I ordered a bottle a week ago.

So far works pretty well. I take 1/4 pipette 3-4 times daily.

I usually feel pretty calm in 45 minutes. My sleep has been excellent and it smells good too. (peppermint)
 
I'll be sending you an email soon with some updates, and they are positive...I have a few questions on other things that I want to include but still need to formulate. I definitely enjoy the elevated mood which is already apparent. I also find it a good thing to take after work as a relaxant.... 1 ml is fun :)
 
Frackal said:
I'll be sending you an email soon with some updates, and they are positive...I have a few questions on other things that I want to include but still need to formulate. I definitely enjoy the elevated mood which is already apparent. I also find it a good thing to take after work as a relaxant.... 1 ml is fun :)
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send them on :p

yes some do appreciate the "high" dose :D
 
Ok, I have just returned from the gym and have some interesting observations, and some questions, I'll just put the P7 questions here since maybe others are curious

Observations:

Today is the 5th day of P7. The mood enhancing effects seem to be more pronounced then they were when I first started.

Most impressive thing I have just noticed happened just today pre-workout, I am guessing it is the P7, and not the prop from the amp of sust I injected last night (just started cycle of sust/deca/eq).

Before training I took 1.5 dymetadrine extreme, total of:

150mg caffeine
30mg ephedra
some salicic acid (who cares)
200 or so mg tyrosine and phenylanaline

also took:

1 tablespoon carao
1 ml of P7

Now, I have been using everything but the P7 preworkout for awhile.... within about 30 min I noticed a stark increase in mood elevation, a feeling of being stimulated or 'awake' beyond the Eca, but without an equal increase in jittery-ness.

I had increased strength at the gym and increased pump and vascularity...I still feel qute 'up' and in a very good mood.

So far, I give P7 the following ratings a la Mr. Nobody on a 1-10 scale

Mood elevation: 10
Immune system elevation: ?? Cannot tell
Sleeping better: 7
Preworkout pump and vascularity increase: 6-7
Preworkout Strength: 5-6
Sex drive: ??? Have not noticed increased sex drive, what I am looking forward to trying is testing it with the high nandrolone/low testosterone cycle.

I tried to find some answers to these because I thought I saw a thread on some of them somewhere but I could not find it:


-What are the mechanisms of the mood elevation? (What exactly are beta-endorphins...dopamine, nor-epinepherine?)

- The P7 should have a positive effect on suppressing cortisol correct?

- What are some of the benefits that will be achieved from using it during a heavy nandrolone (eq/deca) cycle?

- Will this have any effect on prolactin levels or the general suppression experienced from deca?

Thanks :)
 
Frackal said:

I tried to find some answers to these because I thought I saw a thread on some of them somewhere but I could not find it:


-What are the mechanisms of the mood elevation? (What exactly are beta-endorphins...dopamine, nor-epinepherine?)
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direct action as a neurosteroid. pregnenolone and its metabolites. there is also inidrect impact on neurotransmitters... a more thorough answer will be forth coming...

the other questions are a bit more complicated will try to get to them tommorow..
 
Been taking 1/4 pippette four times daily, have noticed the following:

Increased mood.....feel calm within minutes after rubbing it in, really works wonder for anxiety.
Sleep better...tren was really fucking up my sleep, been taking four benadryl a night...since starting the P-7 I haven't taken benadrl once, and I'm sleeping MUCH better.
Increased Sex Drive...tren killed my sex drive, since starting the P-7 I actualy feel like I'm on a low dose of test.
 
JG1 said:
Been taking 1/4 pippette four times daily, have noticed the following:

Increased mood.....feel calm within minutes after rubbing it in, really works wonder for anxiety.
Sleep better...tren was really fucking up my sleep, been taking four benadryl a night...since starting the P-7 I haven't taken benadrl once, and I'm sleeping MUCH better.
Increased Sex Drive...tren killed my sex drive, since starting the P-7 I actualy feel like I'm on a low dose of test.
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yes............low dose of test feeling

good
 
Frackal, what are the effects of high dosage (1 ml). Could it possibly rival the feeling of dangerous recreational drugs. I'm asking because my gym is full of people that take X and others drugs because they don't want to drink. Its not very smart, but nevertheless as everyone knows its prevalent. Could this be a mild alternative?


Frackal said:
I'll be sending you an email soon with some updates, and they are positive...I have a few questions on other things that I want to include but still need to formulate. I definitely enjoy the elevated mood which is already apparent. I also find it a good thing to take after work as a relaxant.... 1 ml is fun :)
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I think if you were to take some Eca and P7 at 1ml, after using the p7 for a few days, you will feel quite buzzed....have never used ecstasy, have used other substances...
 
Frackal said:
I think if you were to take some Eca and P7 at 1ml, after using the p7 for a few days, you will feel quite buzzed....have never used ecstasy, have used other substances...
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How much is 1ml....like a full pippette?..half? How many times a day have you been taking the 1ml?
 
actually I keep calling a full pippette 1ml....comes from taking too much minoxidil :P lol... I use around .5 - 1.5 pippettes per day
 
Frackal said:
actually I keep calling a full pippette 1ml....comes from taking too much minoxidil :P lol... I use around .5 - 1.5 pippettes per day
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I might have to try the higher dose...highest I've went is between 1/4-1/3 pippette.

I think I'll experiment with the full pippette when anxiety hits me hard...like when my father visits on Sundays and brakes my balls all day....LOL
 
I think i am deffinately going to give it a try in a few weeks.

The DHEA would cause me to fail a drug test though so i think i will wait a few weeks.

Are you going to cycle on and off this stuff or is there any reason to do this?

CYPRIO
 
CYPRIOSQUATS said:
I think i am deffinately going to give it a try in a few weeks.

The DHEA would cause me to fail a drug test though so i think i will wait a few weeks.

CYPRIO
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7-oxo-dhea is on the testing list? which one? odd as it does not convert..
just curious

though with testing its often better to be safe than sorry.
 
Macro did you manage to gather the info you had mentioned you were going to in referance to Frackal's post.

Also could you elaborate a bit on this feelign that one might experience from this larger 1ml dose.

Thanks a lot bro :)
 
Darko said:
Macro did you manage to gather the info you had mentioned you were going to in referance to Frackal's post.

Also could you elaborate a bit on this feelign that one might experience from this larger 1ml dose.

Thanks a lot bro :)
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still putting that together.. just want to be clear and concise (as possible)

with respect to feeling.. people describe it differently... some report elated euphoria.. others a tranquil euphoria.. its basically a very "good".. "happy" feeling..


INPUT FROM OTHERS on the "feeling"?? pls post :)
 
Is there any chance of dependency forming? I mean if helped JG1 with his anxiety and it seems like it would help with mild depression but not have any of the bad effects from SSRI's, this would be a miracle substance
 
"this would be a miracle substance"
It is. I can see people tossing their anxiety meds in the trash after using this.
You can't understand it until you try it. Macro was trying to explain it to me and until I put it on I didn't understand. It's like trying to explain color to a blind man.
You just feel really good and it clears your head to think better.
 
ulter said:
"this would be a miracle substance"
It is. I can see people tossing their anxiety meds in the trash after using this.
You can't understand it until you try it. Macro was trying to explain it to me and until I put it on I didn't understand. It's like trying to explain color to a blind man.
You just feel really good and it clears your head to think better.
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Very true. This stuff relaxes me, increases my sex drive, and allows me to sleep. I haven't taken a sleep aid since I started on the P-7, and I'm sleeping better now then before with the sleep aid. I absolutely love this stuff.
 
JG1 said:


Very true. This stuff relaxes me, increases my sex drive, and allows me to sleep. I haven't taken a sleep aid since I started on the P-7, and I'm sleeping better now then before with the sleep aid. I absolutely love this stuff.
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:D
 
Thanks for all the info here guys... I need something like this. I just ordered a bottle so hopefully I'll be reporting back with some positive results. Do you apply this at night before bed to induce a deeper sleep? I'm on so much Test right now sleep is hard to come by. Hopefully this is the answer because nothing else seems to work.
 
Juice Authority said:
Thanks for all the info here guys... I need something like this. I just ordered a bottle so hopefully I'll be reporting back with some positive results. Do you apply this at night before bed to induce a deeper sleep? I'm on so much Test right now sleep is hard to come by. Hopefully this is the answer because nothing else seems to work.
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I apply it about 30 minutes before I go to bed and it relaxes me nicely. Sometimes if I wake up in the middle of the night and can't go back to sleep, I'll take another dose of it and it allows me to go back to sleep.
 
ulter said:
"this would be a miracle substance"
It is. I can see people tossing their anxiety meds in the trash after using this.
You can't understand it until you try it. Macro was trying to explain it to me and until I put it on I didn't understand. It's like trying to explain color to a blind man.
You just feel really good and it clears your head to think better.
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Its absolutely true. Pregnenolone is the shit.
 
JG1 said:


I apply it about 30 minutes before I go to bed and it relaxes me nicely. Sometimes if I wake up in the middle of the night and can't go back to sleep, I'll take another dose of it and it allows me to go back to sleep.
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This stuff is sounding more and more like G...and that's just why I ordered some.

I should be getting it tomorrow - I'll give my objective opinion on it after I use it for awhile. I hope its as good as everyone says.
 
Anyone with a girlfriend or wife...

that has a poor libido has to get this stuff. Five days is all it took and she is like a tiger. I can't believe it. I didn't even sugest it she did a search and found it. Unreal got laid 3 times in 2 days. That is 2 more times than the last 2 weeks. Thank you AF!

Strengthfiend

PS She is in a way better mood too!
 
wow really? im going to go drip some of this stuff on some of the girls at my school
 
:rolleyes: :bawling: :rolleyes: :bawling:

Must be all these intoxicating fumes of peppermint

(got the DF today too)

:p
 
woops i forgot i posted here and haven't checked this thread in a while. Yeah i guess maybe i was wrong with the DHEA. I am acctaully pretty sure it is on the NCAA's baned substance list. Almost positive i wish i could find that sheet, but i guess maybe i wouldn't fail the test. I wasn't sure that it was tested for i guess just knew it was banned. Anyone know about this? Just for curiousity now concidering that I will probably be tested in about 2 weeks and then be done for good.

CYPRIO
 
ulter said:
When used as directed there are no sides. If you take too much of it then you may feel lethargic and "unmotivated". It's kind of like being drunk on P7.
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what about fat gain or water retention...most SSRI's are notorious for causing these kind of things...does P7 cause anything like this???Also how does it affect Testosterone levels in those of us who are natural??Does it lower natural test levels the way some SSRI's do???
 
KappaRaider said:
oK SOUNDS good, but what about sides?????
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that is a genuine concern. today on my way to work i got bitten on the arm by a blind man who mistook me for a large candycane. so be careful
 
mc21,

mechanism of action is wholely unlike ssri's. there should actually be fat loss with extended use.

there will we several versions with differing aspect.. the main attribute of this first is as a mood enhancer (though it does have other benefits).. other versions will be forthcoming
 
I got my bottle 2 days ago. Last night I applied 2 entire pipettes worth of solution on the inner elbow app 45 min apart.......................NADA!...Nothing ...Zilch!.........Not even a tingle of relaxation......But, i will try again this evening!.......
 
inner elbow?

try wrists and inner forearm.. upper hips, back of neck are good too.

neck along jawline is quite good..

a site that is quite good, but requires a lot more care in application forehead..

by the way.. applying to clean skin is advised.
 
inner elbow, upper forearm...1/2 dozen or a 6 pack?.........It didn't do anything especially for the amount used. But i will attempt it again this evening and let you know..........
 
I am interested in this product but there seems to be alot of conflicting revues. Keep me up to date on your results. Don't want to throw money away
 
SteelWorker said:
I got my bottle 2 days ago. Last night I applied 2 entire pipettes worth of solution on the inner elbow app 45 min apart.......................NADA!...Nothing ...Zilch!.........Not even a tingle of relaxation......But, i will try again this evening!.......
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Bro, don't do that. It will work better the 2nd and third days but you will get very lethargic and lazy taking that much. Just follow the directions.
It's not a shot of Jack. You won't put it on and get tanked. No one said it was a recreational drug. It's to calm you while burning fat. So don't douse yourself in it expecting to get high.
 
Ulter - I understand this isn't a recreational drug!..My expectation of this product was merely a "mild" type of relaxation at the very most!...My intention isn't to knock the product. I have used other products from this particular vendor with great success.I understand different products impact individuals differently.
 
Ok great.

I intended that post is to everyone who thinks it's to get buzzed bro. I didn't intend for it to look as though I was talking directly to you. I should have split it into two paragraphs.

BTW - If you wanted to knock the product, despite what you might have heard, you are certainly entitled to do so as your opinion of any product we sell is just as important as anyone else's, good or bad.
 
I got mine in yesterday. I'll report my results. I used half a pipette at lunch yesterday and can't really attribute calmness to it. I took another pipette before I went to be and I will say that I think it helped me to a good night's sleep. I'll continue to post my results. I have problems with anxiety and I'm really hoping this helps.
 
Okay, color me curious. I could definitely use mellowing out and an increased libido. How many applications are in a bottle?
 
I've been using P7 for five days now. I feel confident in saying that it does create a calming effect for me. I use an entire pipette three times a day. One thing I wonder about is if the ingredients and the transdermal method is causing this calmness, or the strong pepperment smell is kind of like aromatherapy. But the stuff does work as advertised. I can't speak to the libido enhancing claims. This is never a problem for me and I don't think I would notice if it were doing something in that area. I'll keep reorting back as I use this on a longterm basis.
 
muscle_geek said:
I've been using P7 for five days now. I feel confident in saying that it does create a calming effect for me. I use an entire pipette three times a day. One thing I wonder about is if the ingredients and the transdermal method is causing this calmness, or the strong pepperment smell is kind of like aromatherapy. But the stuff does work as advertised. I can't speak to the libido enhancing claims. This is never a problem for me and I don't think I would notice if it were doing something in that area. I'll keep reorting back as I use this on a longterm basis.
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;)
 
The P7 Journal (post #1)

Ok, this latter experiment is to test out 6-oxo-DHEA's effect on mood and immune function.

Stats: 193lbs at 11% 5"9

I have been on Fina for 40 weeks.

I am currently on:

1. 100mg Fina/day
2. 1ml P7 dropper/day divided in PM and AM
3. Sodium Usniate: 800mg/day
4. Bromocripine: 1.25mgs/day
5. Yohimbine HCL: 20mgs/day
6. EQ: 400mgs/week
7. r-ala: 1000mgs/day
8. Tyler Liver Detox: 4 caps/day
9. NYC: 4 caps/day
10- Garlic(Aillicin): 12800mcgs/day
11. 50mcgs T3/day

The other main purpose of this study is to determine garlics effects on my HDL/LDL and P7's effects on my immune system/mood.

My HDl:LDL ratio was 12:120 btw or 1:10...not excatly stellar.

Day 1: Nothing to report
Day 2: Nothing to report

Note: I really do like the smell though...

Day 3:

I normally don't sleep very well b/c of the Fina induced warmth, but last night I didn't toss and turn as much.
Also, I actually woke up slightly energetic, which is rare for me. I need a t least 2 cups of cofee to start me going.
I also am pretty irritable in the mornings, but today I actually didn't scream at the cofee machine for once.

Day 4: Report:

Nothing special yet. Mood is calm as always. Probably b/c I don't run test w/ Fina.
I did however find something very interesting.

Now P7(6-oxo-DHEA) is reputed to help sleep.
Well, in my case..barely.(Could also be placebo)

Oh, And bodyweight today(AM): 189lbs


Day 5 Report:

Nothing special yet. Mood is calm as always. Probably b/c I don't run test w/ Fina.
I did however find something very interesting.

Now P7(6-oxo-DHEA) is reputed to help sleep.
Well, in my case..barely.(Could also be placebo)

However, add 6mg Melatonin and BINGO, ladies and gentlemen we have a winner..
I slept like a log for 9 hours.
And melatonin does NOTHING for me. I've gones as high as 20mg and it didn't do a thing. I just wanted to use the
2 120's bottles i bought a month or two ago at the vitamin shoppe. I Still have 50 3mg tasb left so might as well use them.

So I'm doing th P7(3/4 pippete) + melatonin(6mg) thing tonight again, b/c I fely really, really good this morning.


Day 6:

Nothing to add today:

200mg Fina
Kicked up my yohimbine HCL dosage to 30mg/day
NYC still at 4 caps/day
1.25mgs Bromo
P7 1/2 dropper AM
P7 1 dropper PM w/ 6mg melatonin

No change in mood whatsoever.

But again, slept like a log w/ the added melatonin(6mg).

I'm going to try to find out how 6-oxo-DHEA interacts with melatonin for improved sleep.

I find it curious 6-oxo-DHEA is just very mild. Doesn't do much for me in terms of mood, but when combined with melatonin, its like ambien for sleep(Which is a godsend for me).
Good sleep too. Even after injecting 200mg Fina this AM.

Fonz
 
My p-7 should be here very soon. I will wait a week before i start, but i can't wait. I have check out this thread everyday and was wondering what other people think is the best place to apply it. Any tips MACRO i noticed you were going to pm the one guy with tips. If you could help me out that would be great. My girlfreind is also gonna give it a wirl.

Thanks
CYPRIO
 
So far (4 days) my thoughts are that it is an expensive aroma therapy. Im only taking it(dropper full) once a day, about 2 hours before i go to bed. Seems to relax a little......thats it, and in the morning its harder to get out of bed. The results are similar to melatonin. Ill post if anything changes.
 
Since you said bromo interferes, how long should be off before I start using P7? This bromo has knocked me out every night which is a nice change but makes me groggy in the morning. I'm welcoming the P7's effects for sleep but also for anxiety during the day.
 
Delinquent said:
Since you said bromo interferes, how long should be off before I start using P7? This bromo has knocked me out every night which is a nice change but makes me groggy in the morning. I'm welcoming the P7's effects for sleep but also for anxiety during the day.
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1-2 days.. maybe 3-4 before "fully" clean of bromo..

if low dose (1/4 to 1/2 tab then 24-48hrs from last tab).. if higher dose then would wait at least 48 after last tab... really depends on you.. you should have a pretty good idea when bromo levels have dropped.. most people feel a lot different..
 
macrophage69alpha said:
btw- it can still be used.. the effects just might be muted a bit...
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I dropped the Bromo.

I'll also stop P7.

Just for 72hrs, so that the Bromo clears my system.

Then I'll re-start and see with the P7. Have to be impartial
about my assesment.

Fonz
 
I admit, I'm unfamiliar with P-seven but if the active ingredient is pregnenolone, I'm concerned. Prenenolone is a precurser (similar to DHEA) to other hormones with a propensity toward increasing progesterone. This may cause an increase in libido in some and a decrease in others. Is there anything else that gives the supposed calmness? ( I hate meletonin.) GHB, which is supposed to put you to sleep, gave me terrible anxiety.
So what's in this stuff?

I'm all for libido enhancement and calmness, and I'm usually the first guy on board to try something new, but I'm holding off on this one until I get more info.
 
its a non issue...
3 reasons.
1. enymatic competition
2. minimal downstream conversion
3. tissue specific reduction (two fold)


as far as effects... relaxation, and to a limited extent euphoria, are similar to the above supplement (both work through gaba receptors.. though in this case directly..)

as far as anxiety.. should not be a problem.. in fact most users report marked decrease in anxiety...

TBQO- wish more people used it.. less frantic emails then :D
 
I took p7 at 1/4 pipette on the forearms 3x yesterday...woke up with wood this morning...good wood, the kind that makes a nice slapping sound when you hit the kitchen table with it.

First time since I came off of Test about 6 weeks ago...
 
Paulos said:
I took p7 at 1/4 pipette on the forearms 3x yesterday...woke up with wood this morning...good wood, the kind that makes a nice slapping sound when you hit the kitchen table with it.

First time since I came off of Test about 6 weeks ago...
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P-7 has done wonders for my sex drive.......literally hadn't had an ercetion for over a month before starting on it (thanks to tren), now I feel like I'm on a low dose of test.

taking 1/4 pipette 4x daily.
 
Finally got mine in after a stupid mixup with my credit card company and me. Luckily it only takes a day to get here b/c a friend was asking about her stuff. My fiance and I will try is later tonight.
 
Paulos said:
What happens if you put P7 on your genitals?

Someone had to ask.
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not reccomended.

in theory...it is hard to say what effect it may have, the tissue there has a very different enzyme content (though uptake would be highest (thinnest skin and high vascularity).. it would probably burn (even the orange.. though less so).. as above not reccomended (partly because cannot predict effect and partly because that is sensitive tissue)
 
I tried it last night but it may have not been the best night to take it. I did yard work all day long and was exhausted to begin with. My fiance went out last night so she didn't try it. I'll try again today or tomorrow
 
Fonz: What type of melatonin did you use: Sublingual or tab?

I'm currently using tabs, but don't always feel the effect.
 
DOH!!! Peppermint on your BALLS dood!?!? HOLY HELL. IF you are in to spikey heals smashing your weenie go for it, but for the rest of us non-pain inclinded mortals - stay with your forearms for the peppermint flavor (leather mask NOT included) :).
 
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