Oxandrolone just knocked on my door

[meatsauce]

first cycle. decided on oxandrolone ( anavar ). went with an UGL. package arrived from china. took 6-7 days. thai company starts with letter "c" lol. i used a third party website, also chinese. i just swallowed my first 10mg and its the first steroid ive ever put into my system. this is day 1.

ordered 2 packs of 10mg x 60. so, 120 total 10mg tablets.

its my first cycle, so im very enthusiastic. cant really tell anyone about it, so here i am telling ya'll. hello everyone btw.

gonna do 20mg ed first week to feel it out on stomach and system. up it to 30mg, and never exceed 40mg ed. should provide a 5 week cycle.

goals are modest. 5lbs of weight gain should be perfect considering fat loss offsetting lean muscle gains. so i dont want to stack anabolics, or run test. i chose anavar because of the mild nature, mild androgenic effects, mild suppression vs total shutdown, and ability to maintain gains with proper pct and workout.

im 6ft tall.
180lbs
dont know bodyfat %, but its over 10%, under 22%. i play amateur hockey, am 32 years old, and lift 4 days a week. 180 is my weight at this moment. this morning i weighed in at 176. so ill track the gains based on the morning weight of 176.

bench = 185 6x
barbell curl = 100lbs (not arnold curls, regular form) 8x
dumbell curls = 40lbs 8x
leg extensions = both legs 160lbs 12x

ill post the changes in weight with time and see if strength really does jump.

dosing twice a day. will do mornings with the shake, and sometime around 5pm each day.

After about two weeks, or as soon as i lose libido and feel lethargic, i will kick in some natural support. your not gonna wanna see this list lol. i have every efffing natural i have ever read about:
Tribulus
Fenugreek
longjack
yohimbe'
forskolin
goatweed
maca
turmeric
grean tea
avena sativa
daa
L-Dopa!!!
vitamins D3 and B12
i cut off all naturals for last 3 weeks so i can reintrudce them at maximum benefit.
ill kick those in as support, and double the dosages post cycle. previously, that stack Was my steroids. it works btw, big time. it would be another long ass post to get into how well that overdose of naturals worked for me, making me and my genitals feel 18 again after 10 years of chillin.

thats pretty much it. sorry if its too long. just trying to remember to cover everything. and big thanks to every one here that provided information and feedback. you guys were at least half the knowledge. the rest was obviously medical references and clinical trials and other mumbo jumbo.

im pretty enthused like i said, so i dont mind answering any questions in detail. this is like agenda one for the next 5 weeks or so. and at the end of the post, i have to say, my stomach is starting to feel funny. not really upset, but a bit mixed up. 1 hour since dropping the first 10mg tab.

 

[noodles1010]

Your gonna be extremely disappointed at 20mg. Should be running 60mg Ed at a minimum. Also var as a standalone IMO and others will agree is a waste. Get a transdermal test at least and stack if ur not into pinning. Have your oct all lined up along with your pct.

All in all good luck. I'd stop now and put together something worth it but your gonna do what you want bud.

 

[joeblow12345]

Your gonna be extremely disappointed at 20mg. Should be running 60mg Ed at a minimum. Also var as a standalone IMO and others will agree is a waste. Get a transdermal test at least and stack if ur not into pinning. Have your oct all lined up along with your pct.

All in all good luck. I'd stop now and put together something worth it but your gonna do what you want bud.

I agree. ^^^^^^^

 

[wootoom]

Why are you talking about shipping? Read the rules. Has nothing to do with your cycle.

 

[stevesmi]

it would be a good idea to post a picture to get a body fat estimate before you start.

6 foot and 180 isn't very much muscle mass.. are you sure you have built up enough of a base?

 

[Idobehigh]

So no pct lined up? This should be a good run....

 

[NegroPops]

20-30 mg of var? you finna get huge brah

 

[meatsauce]

Your gonna be extremely disappointed at 20mg. Should be running 60mg Ed at a minimum. Also var as a standalone IMO and others will agree is a waste. Get a transdermal test at least and stack if ur not into pinning. Have your oct all lined up along with your pct.

All in all good luck. I'd stop now and put together something worth it but your gonna do what you want bud.

"A usual Anavar dose of 20-30 mg provides elevated androgen, a steriod hormone that stimulates the growth and maintenance of masculine characteristics, levels up for about 8 hours." EF

"For bodybuilders 20-30 mg per of Anavar day is considered as a normal dose. But don’t take much more then this as it may cause damage to liver" EF

Those are quotes from the elite fitness website. im not allowed to post links because im under 25 posts. but they are just one of many sources who suggest you get anabolic benfits from doses as low as 10mg, men or women, and minimize the androgenic effects. studies showing fat loss and gains for people who dont even work out through the term of the study. there is a lot of info out there and case studies that prove very noticable benefits at low doses. isht, i wish i could post links.
liver, hair, gonads. anyway, my post says 30mg week 2 forward, and up to 40mg max ed.

 

[NegroPops]

you're right, we're wrong. sorry for trying to help

 

[meatsauce]

Why are you talking about shipping? Read the rules. Has nothing to do with your cycle.

ill tell you exactly why.

its part of the story. and arnt you jazzed that you can get packages from china in under a week. thats a good thing to know so you get all your pct and isht together and not get caught offguard.

 

[meatsauce]

So no pct lined up? This should be a good run....

no pct? no pct? you break my heart??

i dont even know if i should even reply. this is like your version of an autopost except you typed it manually lol. did you read my list of pct. do you know the ingredients of HCgenerate?? its there lol. did you look at the ingredients of every effing natural pct. their ingredients are on my shelves. im taking about $500 worth of natural pct. just look at the list.

maybe you mean clomid. i wont touch clomid. thats case closed.u study why if you have time. and remember, i have full blown htpa function. and i credit it to my long list of Naturals. based on studies, my dosage wont be heavy on liver, and wont cause full shutdown. based on my experience with my listed natural isht, im very good to go when VS supression..

please please guys, if you are curious about natural pct, please try it. if im here pumping anything(definately not a chinese post office lol), it my experience with naturl pct. everything i listed. experiment, try it. dont just feed off posts like the one im replying to here. im gonna be squirting test from my gnads based on what ive experienced on bottle listed dosages. i have to cut off the naturals pretty often from painful erections and soar testicles. they work .

 

[NegroPops]

for someone that has never ran any type of cycle.. you seem to be quite the expert. good luck with everything

 

[ALIN]

I like ANAVAR at a little higher dosages for longer duration cycles. I think 5 weeks is far too short.

 

[meatsauce]

you're right, we're wrong. sorry for trying to help

WAIT...i thought i was clear.

the source im quoting is ELITE FITNESS. what you are saying is EL is wrong and you are right.you are also saying (to my face) that scientists are wrong. i wont have that from you...sry lol. i respect ELITE FITNESS and you are not allowed to just flat out say they are wrong.

i dont care how much roid knowledge i may have, id neevr say EL is wrong, thats like shittin on the whole forum...Brah.
cummon dude, "never go full retard" R.D. jr.

so ya, when i hear an intelligent reply, i will listen.

 

[Cali72]

Unless your var is pharma grade 30mg won't do much for you my man.
UG var is under dosed or really not var at all.

 

[meatsauce]

i have still only taken that first 10mg tab. i have an evaporative feeling in my head. feeling a bit hot too. feeling a bit annoyed too. i want to do pushups at every whistle (watching a game). kinda feels like i just ate 3-4 NitricOxide pills. if i had to say one way or another, id say im feeling more anabolic lol. im even being confrontational on this forum and thats never been my intention. everything ive read leans towards feeling or seeing results in 3 weeks. another kid said in 12 days he was much "stronger leaner, meaner, like the 6million dollar man". wish i could post links. he was also doing 30mg. this forum. i dont know, we will see. and ya, it would do some good to get some pics. so ill remedy my severe farmers tan and post one eventually(within a week). and then ill post after the cycle. and i could be wrong, but this anavar cycle is definately intended to be ran with testosterone support. just rnatural test from natural support. the question will be if it is as effective as the more popular choices. gonna fight supression every step of the way. morning wood and awkward erections during regular convos will be a good indicator. blood test would be even better lol....tryin to get to 25 posts so i can arm myself with links.

5 weeks is too short. i agree. my dosae will last me through 40 days if i dont deviate. but your right. knowing i can get the package under a week, its not too late to see how i react, and add it to the cycle before i run out. its always best to ease into anything first time. its hard for me to do, but you never know what your body will tell you, so listen to it for a few days before you jump all-in. much love. mhope i dont beat my dog on 20mg tmrw

 

[meatsauce]

Unless your var is pharma grade 30mg won't do much for you my man.
UG var is under dosed or really not var at all.

YES! thats what scares me most. a different chemistry, or dosage. shit, ive read people suggest potential overdosing with ugl, and trust me, i consider that more scary.

thats why i want to start slow. some people say they blew up like a balloon and what they got was no Var. some say no effect. ill tajke no effect over an androgenic experience. thats why the biggest benefit here would be if you all knew my ugl and details about packageing so my experience can actually help people either know to stay away from my source or if its g2g. but i know we cant.

 

[jerome simpson]

You're an interesting fellow meatsauce.

No you are not feeling any effects of 10 mg 3 hours later, it is a placebo effect. I wouldn't consider myself a veteran but I've ran var a few times. With itself and stacked. I wouldn't run it less than 60, and probably 80-100 for a min of five weeks. That level is when I actually notice the effect. I first tested the waters at 40mg, and it wasn't impressive at that level, not worth it. I'm fine with someone running it alone, just actually run it, don't play "just the tip."

You've displayed that you've done your homework, but I take issue with many of the "facts," and you're kinda acting self-righteous to people who know what they're talking about. Come back and read what you've written here three months now, I bet your real life experience changes a lot of what you think you know now.

 

[jerome simpson]

PS there is a gear section where you can post a pic of what you have and people can relay back if they know if it is legit. You just can't talk of sourcing.

 

[meatsauce]

PS there is a gear section where you can post a pic of what you have and people can relay back if they know if it is legit. You just can't talk of sourcing.

i checked it out. thats a cool section. took me some time but got the pics up if anyone wants to see. i cant post a link yet, but you can search oxandrolone anavar centrino etc. 3 pics of outside, inside and the pill.

and your right about all the stuff you said in the other post too . sorry bout all that.

in a week ill post the aminos,supps,calories and everything im eating to help out the heightened synthesis. along with a "before" pic.

just a Q for you. when you did one of your previous cycles with oxandrolone only, did you notice your test lvls decrease, and around when did it begin to be noticeable. any pct for the ox only? was it needed or just wise as precautionary?

 

[Idobehigh]

I don't know if I should even both trying to help you.. Hcgen is for on cycle even if u run 20mg Ed it will still shut u down, ok don't run clomid there is other serms someone that is as naive as you will have a bad experience and give steroids a bad rap. Do yourself a favor and get pre cycle bloods s when you are messed up and dick won't work we can once again try and help you and maybe you will loose your attitude and stop acting like you know everything

 

[Idobehigh]

any pct for the ox only? was it needed or just wise as precautionary?

Lol

 

[noodles1010]

i had a pretty sarcastic, snide reply typed up and just deleted it... im tending to agree with jerome above...

this is what it is and it doesnt matter what u think. facts are facts and u cant argue chemistry esp in proven doses..
your doses are too low at least run 50mg if ur testing waters 25mg am/ 25mg 1 hour before gym, you should stack this with test to see optimal results or at least a kick ass test booster, should have added in proviron @ 75mg day (nice add to anavar only cycle), add in creating nitrate, your "pct" is non existent (if u have one post it, i dont see it), based on your size and weight ect you dont sound like u have much of a base at all (im 6'0 @ 190 14%bf and i lift a lot more weight than you natty, so u have more work to do diet wise and gym wise),
so what are you doing? Your pussy footing with the idea of doing aas. justifying its not aas by taking var only and not test. claiming a mild suppression vs shut down blah blah blah... bro, its fucking aas no matter which way you flip it. shut down is inevitable, sides exist, and the tooth fairy is not real. those are more facts for u.
now you already sound like one of those guys who cant stand corrected or pointed in the right direction once they have their mind made up, so i say this... good luck and keep us updated, and i suggest you come up with a better plan than what you got. its still early enough.

 

[wootoom]

ill tell you exactly why.

its part of the story. and arnt you jazzed that you can get packages from china in under a week. thats a good thing to know so you get all your pct and isht together and not get caught offguard.

I really don't care of its part of your story, it's not allowed

 

[stevesmi]

a lot of those quotes you are pulling up are from years ago i think. also you will find more opinions that var should be run at higher doses. i think if its good quality var the sweet spot is 50-60mg a day and for 6-8 weeks. I was hitting PR's on that dose stacked with tren. var is mysteriously a great oral to gain strength on without sides or bloat, but good things cost .. thats why most guys stick with cheaper orals like dbol

you are gonna read also a lot of guys who say var did nothing for them. i fear that is because they were using fake crap. var is commonly faked. it is very difficult to know if what you are taking is real because its a such a slow acting oral.

 

[kkklick]

a lot of those quotes you are pulling up are from years ago i think. also you will find more opinions that var should be run at higher doses. i think if its good quality var the sweet spot is 50-60mg a day and for 6-8 weeks. I was hitting PR's on that dose stacked with tren. var is mysteriously a great oral to gain strength on without sides or bloat, but good things cost .. thats why most guys stick with cheaper orals like dbol

you are gonna read also a lot of guys who say var did nothing for them. i fear that is because they were using fake crap. var is commonly faked. it is very difficult to know if what you are taking is real because its a such a slow acting oral.

^^^This. I never understood why guys say var is waste, I have used legit var and had insane pumps and vascularity muscle hardness at 70mg. Gained 5 pounds of muscle and lost 8-10 pounds of fat in 8 weeks. As steve said I think the people who say it sucks got underdosed or faked var. Because legitimate var is so expensive to produce UGL can easily fake it and make huge profits. Even when people say "I trust my source" in my opinion unless you see the chemical being put into the capsule you never really know.

My buddies used var from the same lab and had the same effects as myself, so the idea that var may work on some but not others I think is bull as well.

60mg is the sweet spot, I could tolerate up to 70 but when I went to 80 I started getting sides that i didn't really want (severe pumps, slight constant headache etc).

 

[meatsauce]

a lot of those quotes you are pulling up are from years ago i think. also you will find more opinions that var should be run at higher doses. i think if its good quality var the sweet spot is 50-60mg a day and for 6-8 weeks. I was hitting PR's on that dose stacked with tren. var is mysteriously a great oral to gain strength on without sides or bloat, but good things cost .. thats why most guys stick with cheaper orals like dbol

you are gonna read also a lot of guys who say var did nothing for them. i fear that is because they were using fake crap. var is commonly faked. it is very difficult to know if what you are taking is real because its a such a slow acting oral.

pretty much everybody agrees on higher doses. and i cant know if my shit is good yet. i have some good feedback from other posters that my ugl is g2g, and thats all i have to go with, thats why im hesitant to take everyone's recommended dosage right away. if i knew 100% that this was chemically correct oxandrolone, id be on the dosage most of you suggest, 50-60mg ed. getting more is easy now, so ill ease into it and up it till i feel confident its not something else.

----i know i came off rude in a couple replies. the source of that whole argument is PCT. im going to post a pic in a few minutes of my PCT. not just pct, but on cycle therapy. its frustrating seeing people post "no pct? good luck" . that guy didnt read anything is just posting to post. another guy offered info that hcgenerate is on cycle therapy. if he read my post and read my on cycle therapy plan, he would see it has almost every ingredient of hcGen. i also stated the doses id do on cycle, and off cycle regarding therapy items. ------

I know you from way before i joined this forum. from google searches. i respect everything you say, but even more, how you say it. your avatar is fukin hard to forget. so i appreciate all your feedback. and im really eager to take upwards of 50-60mg now. like you and many others say.

I really wanted to hear peoples experiences with natural pct and on-cycle support. I really wanted people to make big comparisons between shut down and suppression in relation to anavar. if anyone has experience, good bad or whatever, tell me what naturals did for you. check out my list. i have each one of those in my cabinet. ill post the pic soon because its fukin funny and over the top.

yoyo, i posted in the pics forum. the ugl the pill. i followed the rules from the sticky. maybe you know about it and if its g2g and if underdosed bigtime. shit, if its confirmed to be the clean business, ill go 40mg today forward. the only downside to higher n higher doses is further strains on liver n Gnads.

 

[Idobehigh]

Why not pick up a transderm test up to help especially if you feel you will loose libido and feel lethargic a legal one is rs transderm...

 

[meatsauce]

so thats my fridge on top of which are my pct items. you cant say no pct. but please say what you feel about the items, either individually or as a stack. ive seen hogan swallo a mug full of pills, so i do it like that. i toss em into a mug one bye one and gulp with fluid.

these are ONLY the testosterone boosting things. i have other workout supps like creatine, beta alanine, nitric O (stim free), whey, . this stack is made up of all things reported to effect testosterone production. ive been using them in big stacks for 6 months. it made me testicularly 18. so im at least recommending it, if done seriously, to people disgusted by clomid and her friends. but ill be the test rat for now and induce suppression and test my herbs and roots and spices against AAS. we will see.

yoyoyoyoy, check out the bottles that fit into one frame lol

 

[joeblow12345]

so thats my fridge on top of which are my pct items. you cant say no pct. but please say what you feel about the items, either individually or as a stack. ive seen hogan swallo a mug full of pills, so i do it like that. i toss em into a mug one bye one and gulp with fluid.

these are ONLY the testosterone boosting things. i have other workout supps like creatine, beta alanine, nitric O (stim free), whey, . this stack is made up of all things reported to effect testosterone production. ive been using them in big stacks for 6 months. it made me testicularly 18. so im at least recommending it, if done seriously, to people disgusted by clomid and her friends. but ill be the test rat for now and induce suppression and test my herbs and roots and spices against AAS. we will see.

yoyoyoyoy, check out the bottles that fit into one frame lol

Where's your n2guard?

 

[meatsauce]

so thats my fridge on top of which are my pct items. you cant say no pct. but please say what you feel about the items, either individually or as a stack. ive seen hogan swallo a mug full of pills, so i do it like that. i toss em into a mug one bye one and gulp with fluid.

these are ONLY the testosterone boosting things. i have other workout supps like creatine, beta alanine, nitric O (stim free), whey, . this stack is made up of all things reported to effect testosterone production. ive been using them in big stacks for 6 months. it made me testicularly 18. so im at least recommending it, if done seriously, to people disgusted by clomid and her friends. but ill be the test rat for now and induce suppression and test my herbs and roots and spices against AAS. we will see.

yoyoyoyoy, check out the bottles that fit into one frame lol

u wanna know something very interesting. there is this guy named NEEDTOGETAAS who is from around these parts. i think people here should know him. he sends me emails welcoming me and telling me all thats good about EF . it was a long huge post of his that really taught me a bunch. we wrote a lot about hcgen, and he compared it SIDE BYE SIDE with HCG. as if to say the natural or the HCG, its up to you. he spoke of forma stanzol, he spoke of DAA.

Im warning you, its a ffffkning long post, but he doesnt just tell you what to take, but mostly he explains WHY you should take and the logic behind everything. very informative. hes a big name around these parts. he was very encouraging for me and others who are hopeful to get away with natural Therapy, post and on. needtogetaas. my cowboy.

I cant post links yet but its on EF forums by that cowboy needtogetaas... it starts out "ok, my knowlege seeking brothers....." and sheds a lot of light on pct options beyond clomid and her evil cousins. its LONG

 

[meatsauce]

Where's your n2guard?

ya, lets talk liver. the list of ingredients in n2guard is right up my ally. what a list of herbs n spices. did you notice a few of those ingredients are part of my testosterone stack too lol.

but ya, its apple pectin, milk thistle, primrose, hawthorne. thats what im lookin for. i was just gonna do milk thistle, but n2guard is a cocktail of mother natures secrets.

i dont know jack isht about karma points, but if could sprinkle some on your face, id do it right now.

 

[Idobehigh]

Ya needtogetaas also talks about adding a liver sup to any cycle n2guard being his choice..

 

[meatsauce]

Ya needtogetaas also talks about adding a liver sup to any cycle n2guard being his choice..

what do you think about when to take the n2guard. do liver aids effect the steroid intake. is that true with oxandrolone?

at 30mg(now) ed, and up to 50mg possibly, would you take it a couple weeks in or wait till the end of cycle?

 

[Idobehigh]

what do you think about when to take the n2guard. do liver aids effect the steroid intake. is that true with oxandrolone?

at 30mg(now) ed, and up to 50mg possibly, would you take it a couple weeks in or wait till the end of cycle?

No but it will protect ur liver while running aas you should have started n2gurard if not you should of at least pre loaded milk thistle for some protection, I would start the n2guard ASAP

 

[joeblow12345]

ya, lets talk liver. the list of ingredients in n2guard is right up my ally. what a list of herbs n spices. did you notice a few of those ingredients are part of my testosterone stack too lol.

but ya, its apple pectin, milk thistle, primrose, hawthorne. thats what im lookin for. i was just gonna do milk thistle, but n2guard is a cocktail of mother natures secrets.

i dont know jack isht about karma points, but if could sprinkle some on your face, id do it right now.

I've been using n2guard for a while on blasts and its always served me well. I'm running tren and test with no issues. I'm about to add in some dbol for 4 weeks, and winny for 8 next week on the back end. I wouldn't dare run two orals without n2guard. I don't care how much milk thistle you have it doesn't do what n2guard does. I went to the doctor the other day for a physical and my blood pressure was 122/ 71 on 700 mg of tren a week and 400 test. That's damn near perfect bp ranges while on tren. I don't know the recipe to n2guard, but the shit works the way it is and I wouldn't try to recreate it.

 

[joeblow12345]

what do you think about when to take the n2guard. do liver aids effect the steroid intake. is that true with oxandrolone?

at 30mg(now) ed, and up to 50mg possibly, would you take it a couple weeks in or wait till the end of cycle?

I take half a dose with my first meal of the day and the other half with post workout meal. When ever its convient for you.

 

[meatsauce]

No but it will protect ur liver while running aas you should have started n2gurard if not you should of at least pre loaded milk thistle for some protection, I would start the n2guard ASAP

done. asap = 3 or 4 days from now, but im ordering it as you read. i dont drink much at all. once every three months or so. hope that helps liver durability a little. the ingredients r nutts. cant wait to see the pricetag.

 

[Elrock]

done. asap = 3 or 4 days from now, but im ordering it as you read. i dont drink much at all. once every three months or so. hope that helps liver durability a little. the ingredients r nutts. cant wait to see the pricetag.

N2Guard is well worth the money! Best of luck on your little journey brah!

 

[jerome simpson]

just a Q for you. when you did one of your previous cycles with oxandrolone only, did you notice your test lvls decrease, and around when did it begin to be noticeable. any pct for the ox only? was it needed or just wise as precautionary?

I don't know if my test levels decreased, I didn't get a blood test on var only. I'm sure they did. I did feel a bit lethargic out of the gym. My biggest side effect are pumps, I get it worse than most people.

I'm not concerned about my liver as much on var, it seems a bit overblown, this isn't superdrol. I will take milk thistle or a half dose of N2guard. I am more concerned about high blood pressure with anavar.

Light pct but I always use clomid.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using EliteFitness

 

[Idobehigh]

N2guard helps with blood pressure.....

 

[jerome simpson]

N2guard helps with blood pressure.....

Yeah I was implying that...

 

[meatsauce]

its just day 3. 20mg ed so far. woke up morning of day 3 with a nice fullness to the physique. a slight pump that made it look nicer than usual. the semi pump stayed with me so far all day and ive taken just 10mg this morning so far. no bad signs so i dont mind upping it to 30mged and eventually 40, but i have not heard any feedback about my specific gear. pics are posted in the gear pics section.

 

[stevesmi]

the best way and i've said this a million times on here to know if your shit is legit is by running before and during bloodwork.. in your case i would run bloods now and at the 3 week mark. you will know if its legit by comparing the results ... well worth the 50 bucks to know if you should use that source in the future or not and save you potentially thousands long term.

 

[lhayes]

So no pct lined up? This should be a good run....

Why would he need pct with 5 weeks of var with the girl dosage he is running? Maybe get some needtocrap for pct that would help right. Or better yet get some test gel that is more expensive than regular test and that would make his cycle so much better. This site is a joke with these product pushing. Give the fucking guy real answers and not pedal shit with every post. 5 weeks at your dosage is a waste if your going to run var run it for at least 8 weeks at least 50mg ed and add 5 grams ed of creatine and if you can add proviron at 50mg ed and you will see some results and if you want a real cycle add test at 10 weeks. Your not feeling var on day 3 all in your mind.

 

[Idobehigh]

I don't push products nor does anyone else that knows what they are talking about and since your so smart you should know woman don't have testosterone they need to restart after taking a hormone so yes if he is a male with testicles and testosterone he will need a pct unless he would like to turn into a female like you.

 

[stevesmi]

Why would he need pct with 5 weeks of var with the girl dosage he is running? Maybe get some needtocrap for pct that would help right. Or better yet get some test gel that is more expensive than regular test and that would make his cycle so much better. This site is a joke with these product pushing. Give the fucking guy real answers and not pedal shit with every post. 5 weeks at your dosage is a waste if your going to run var run it for at least 8 weeks at least 50mg ed and add 5 grams ed of creatine and if you can add proviron at 50mg ed and you will see some results and if you want a real cycle add test at 10 weeks. Your not feeling var on day 3 all in your mind.

where the fuck are all these trolls coming from lately with their 10 posts? i don't mind it, they are a good laugh but shit it might be time to put out the roach baits, i guess with summer coming up the bugs are laying eggs

 

[lhayes]

I don't push products nor does anyone else that knows what they are talking about and since your so smart you should know woman don't have testosterone they need to restart after taking a hormone so yes if he is a male with testicles and testosterone he will need a pct unless he would like to turn into a female like you.

He is running a 5 week var cycle and he nedds a pct. Okay he needs some needto products he will be good.

 

[lhayes]

where the fuck are all these trolls coming from lately with their 10 posts? i don't mind it, they are a good laugh but shit it might be time to put out the roach baits, i guess with summer coming up the bugs are laying eggs

Sheep. You guys make me laugh I was on this site when it really was a site can't believe needto is still on here pushing his shit and you idiots are listening to copy and paste boy. I see needto hasn't been pushing naps products anymore and I see Alin on here maybe get me some Balkan products with some needto stuff then I will be good. Am shocked am not banned yet at least it looks like needto lost some weight.

 

[joeblow12345]

Sheep. You guys make me laugh I was on this site when it really was a site can't believe needto is still on here pushing his shit and you idiots are listening to copy and paste boy. I see needto hasn't been pushing naps products anymore and I see Alin on here maybe get me some Balkan products with some needto stuff then I will be good. Am shocked am not banned yet at least it looks like needto lost some weight.

If you don't like the site then don't get on here. Feel free to run a cycle as you please, but if your
Going to offer this guy advice on his at least do it responsibly. Telling someone not to run a pct is irresponsible. If he were on hrt or a blast and cruiser then pct isn't necessary, but this guy wants to return to natural hormone levels. So pct is a smart choice in that case as it will speed up his recovery. So we try to offer good advice to help him in his efforts. If you don't agree with the advice given feel free to give your opinion on pct or whatever the topic is. Coming here and starting fights and bashing sponsors is childish and unnecessary.

 

[lhayes]

If you don't like the site then don't get on here. Feel free to run a cycle as you please, but if your
Going to offer this guy advice on his at least do it responsibly. Telling someone not to run a pct is irresponsible. If he were on hrt or a blast and cruiser then pct isn't necessary, but this guy wants to return to natural hormone levels. So pct is a smart choice in that case as it will speed up his recovery. So we try to offer good advice to help him in his efforts. If you don't agree with the advice given feel free to give your opinion on pct or whatever the topic is. Coming here and starting fights and bashing sponsors is childish and unnecessary.

You really think you need pct after a 5 week var cycle? What recovery is he going to need with this cycle waht are you talking about he is running var at 5 weeks at a girl dosage. Is this site really this far gone its ashame. You think good advice is people pimping there products every other post is helping its not I know everybody needs to make a buck but give it a break maybe every 10 post instead every 3. I really don't visit much it just amazes me how naive people really are.

 

[Idobehigh]

You really think you need pct after a 5 week var cycle? What recovery is he going to need with this cycle waht are you talking about he is running var at 5 weeks at a girl dosage. Is this site really this far gone its ashame. You think good advice is people pimping there products every other post is helping its not I know everybody needs to make a buck but give it a break maybe every 10 post instead every 3. I really don't visit much it just amazes me how naive people really are.

It shows how arrogant you are saying he doesn't need to run a pct 5 weeks 15 weeks it doesn't matter leave your shitty advice for the bb forum don't give horrible information to some one and not once has someone said he needs to run a needto pct shows how illiterate you are

 

[meatsauce]

seriously, im reading the posts and catching up and there is a lot of the same argument i had seen on posts ive read in the past during research. all those arguments were pretty much inconclusive. im in day 4 now. 20 mg ed. 10mg upon waking, 10mg at night. just went to the gym for the first time since starting:

Day 4: already waking up 2 days in a row with a much prouder physique. a modestly more full look. nothing crazy, but still nice.

went to the gym. felt like i didnt need to leave if i had the time. i could have done endless sets of my usual weights. vascularity is hard to hide. i almost feel a bit exposed because of the vascularity. pumps are very nice. there is an obvious improvement in strength and performance at Day 4 on 20mg ed. was much shorter on breath, but that could have been to blood pressure or the fact that i was able to work out with more intensity.

at this point, its not placebo. i know my body, and i know my routine. i am operating at an elevated state of performance.

now considering how ive felt last couple days and the performance in the gym, i will not exceed 30mg ed. ill stay at 20 through day 10 most likely. then push it to 30mg ed. that will last up to 6 weeks. so itll be a longer cycle.

this is my sworn testimony. my motivation to post and log in this way is the fact that after researching extensively, there was no conclusive answer as to what dosages are effective. for amateur athletes and body building enthusiasts who want to try something very effective and way beyond the over the couter supp world, 20mg ed is so far proving to be just fine!

i can see the point of big beefy builders and pros pushing 60mg ed+ and including test, and then causing shut down and using serious prescription pct. there is also another type of athlete who wants people not to ever suspect roids, but have great benefits.

so far the science and studies are proving to be true, and you dont need 40, 50 or 60mg to feel this stuff. its way early and still im feeling a bit shy about showing my forarms from the veinage. pushing 12 reps of 185 rather than 6-8. just 20mg ed. i think there might be a lot of drug dealers and pushers with agendas here. or serious buiilders with 250lb aspirations and goals. All those guys who want to just tiptoe over the aas line this shit works at the clinical dosages.

i realize only day 4.5. at 182lbs now. added strength. added size. biologically noticable effects. good morning erections still, but paying close attention to its potential demise. the other experiment here is the chosen on-cycle and pct. thatll be interesting.

n2guard is on the way. looking forward to seeing if it ghelps with blood pressure as well, like you guys suggested. otherwise, im poised for a strong 5-6 week run with solid workouts and good diet and no injuries so far that r going to prevent progress. again, based on what i felt in the gym today, im staying at 20mg ed and most likely dont plan on exceeding 30mg at any point. i encourage anyone else who had a similar plan to at LEAST try it before jumping all over the advice to do "at least 40mg-100mg". i promise , try it before giving in to the people who call you a girl and convince you to deviate from your research and plans.


ill keep you posted in a few days, but if i need to piss all over some deutchbaggers face for being a bully and repeating childish garbage, then youll hear from me sooner.

 

[joeblow12345]

You really think you need pct after a 5 week var cycle? What recovery is he going to need with this cycle waht are you talking about he is running var at 5 weeks at a girl dosage. Is this site really this far gone its ashame. You think good advice is people pimping there products every other post is helping its not I know everybody needs to make a buck but give it a break maybe every 10 post instead every 3. I really don't visit much it just amazes me how naive people really are.

Yes. After a couple weeks your shutdown. It doesn't matter if your running 10 mg day or 100. I agree that he's running a girls dose and it isn't worth running. But the fact remains that he's putting an external source of hormones in his body and this will cause his body to stop producing test on its own. It's all in vain as he's not taking enough to really have a big impact but he chooses to learn the hard way. He's giving up being truly normal ever again for next to nothing in terms of gains. If he was to not do a pct he would recover on his own eventually just like with any other steroid. But running a pct will speed the process up and get him back to his new normal.

 

[lhayes]

Yes. After a couple weeks your shutdown. It doesn't matter if your running 10 mg day or 100. I agree that he's running a girls dose and it isn't worth running. But the fact remains that he's putting an external source of hormones in his body and this will cause his body to stop producing test on its own. It's all in vain as he's not taking enough to really have a big impact but he chooses to learn the hard way. He's giving up being truly normal ever again for next to nothing in terms of gains. If he was to not do a pct he would recover on his own eventually just like with any other steroid. But running a pct will speed the process up and get him back to his new normal.

Don't want to argue back and forth about it. I ran 50mg for 10 weeks of var alone with 50mg ed proviron and creatine, milk thistle my bloodwork 3 days after I was done was almost perfect my hdl was a little low but everything elso was spot on. Now dbol for 5 weks yes just don't see the point of what hes running for pct.

 

[joeblow12345]

Don't want to argue back and forth about it. I ran 50mg for 10 weeks of var alone with 50mg ed proviron and creatine, milk thistle my bloodwork 3 days after I was done was almost perfect my hdl was a little low but everything elso was spot on. Now dbol for 5 weks yes just don't see the point of what hes running for pct.

As far as that original pct he had I'm not really sure where he's going with that. Other then the test boosters I'm not really sure what the other stuff is for. Whether or not someone chooses to do a pct that's their choice, I just personally feel that if your someone who cycles on and off you should always do a pct. but I also feel that if your gonna mess with your hormones then you might as well go hard or not bother at all. I wouldn't run var at less then 80 mg day but that's me. If I was someone who didn't wanna do a pct after this female var cycle then I'd at least transition to a peptide, sarm, or natty test cycle.

 

[lhayes]

It shows how arrogant you are saying he doesn't need to run a pct 5 weeks 15 weeks it doesn't matter leave your shitty advice for the bb forum don't give horrible information to some one and not once has someone said he needs to run a needto pct shows how illiterate you are

Shitty advice your a joke horrible info yeah your body really shuts down on 5 weeks of var at a girl dosage. This fucking site is one big billboard for pimping products. What pct should he run for this cycle?

 

[meatsauce]

20 mg ed caused 33%-40% drop in htpa. Still can't post links. This site does in fact seem like a forum to push volumes of steroids. I'm ersonally getting a lot of personal messages asking me where to get the stuff I'm using. I can see how this can easily be a feeding ground for dealers. If I was a dealer I woulda made a nice buck already lol. Its a shame really.

20 mg ed is doing pretty good so far. Read the details in my previous post if u want. In clinical studies, this dosage caused 30% supression in htpa, Not total shutdown. More is not always better. The more foreign hormone u introduce, the more harmful. At studied dosages, u can know what to expect. If u are not sure who to believe, do the smart thing and stick to believing the clinical trials over guys on forums. And if u r new to steroids and only want to do 1 cycle, u should not follow the dosages suggested buy guys who are. On testosterone replacement therapy. Follow the dosages used in clinical trials. If I proved anything to myself, its that we have some pushers here trying to satisfy their own agendas. If u see 10000000 posts, its a businessman lol.in the society we live in now, this should be transparant to most of u.

 

[joeblow12345]

20 mg ed caused 33%-40% drop in htpa. Still can't post links. This site does in fact seem like a forum to push volumes of steroids. I'm ersonally getting a lot of personal messages asking me where to get the stuff I'm using. I can see how this can easily be a feeding ground for dealers. If I was a dealer I woulda made a nice buck already lol. Its a shame really.

20 mg ed is doing pretty good so far. Read the details in my previous post if u want. In clinical studies, this dosage caused 30% supression in htpa, Not total shutdown. More is not always better. The more foreign hormone u introduce, the more harmful. At studied dosages, u can know what to expect. If u are not sure who to believe, do the smart thing and stick to believing the clinical trials over guys on forums. And if u r new to steroids and only want to do 1 cycle, u should not follow the dosages suggested buy guys who are. On testosterone replacement therapy. Follow the dosages used in clinical trials. If I proved anything to myself, its that we have some pushers here trying to satisfy their own agendas. If u see 10000000 posts, its a businessman lol.in the society we live in now, this should be transparant to most of u.

Bro you can take 10 mg dbol and notice a difference, but its not gonna get you jacked like 50 mg will. Your only taking enough var to notice a mild difference. In the end your gonna be disappointed in the lack of results. Do as you please it's your money and body, but your not gonna convince a seasoned steroid user like myself with studies that 20 mg is worth my time. I know the effects of var at 50 mg and they don't come close to 100. Just like 200 mg of test doesn't touch 1000 mg. they both yield gains but one works a hell of a lot better. There is a point of diminishing returns, but its up there and I haven't found it yet. I've only heard about it from the crazy mofos willing to go there.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Shitty advice your a joke horrible info yeah your body really shuts down on 5 weeks of var at a girl dosage. This fucking site is one big billboard for pimping products. What pct should he run for this cycle?

oh really ?

I think its time for you to have a nice hot cup of gofuckyourself in the bantville cafe.

 

[lhayes]

oh really ?

I think its time for you to have a nice hot cup of gofuckyourself in the bantville cafe.

How bout you go fuckurself please don't ban me lol you guys hate hearing real advice and not pushing your bullshit products. Where is fat boy needto just think maybe him gone you guys can become a real site again and not make every post about some shitty products your pushing. Whatever most will find real sites with real info sooner or later.

 

[wootoom]

Eat a dick you faggot