Overstimulation with Test.

[oldman69]

Over stimulation with test seems to be very common. Many complain of a very decreased libido, myself included. I believe everyone has their own threshold, wether it be 300mg, 500mgs, 750mgs, 1000mg etc.., per week.
Anyone have any fact based info regarding over stimulation with test.?

How to determine your threshold?
How to remedy the problem ?
etc..,


Thanks

 

[RADAR]

Break the dosages into more injs!




RADAR

 

[wellbilt]

i think everyone is different and you need to find what works for u

 

[marqui77]

The first time I took sust I was complete overstimulated the first 24 hours after injecting, but for the next 3 days i would be fine. It comes down to trial and error what works the best.

 

[b1ewsw32]

Over stimulation with test seems to be very common. Many complain of a very decreased libido, myself included. I believe everyone has their own threshold, wether it be 300mg, 500mgs, 750mgs, 1000mg etc.., per week.
Anyone have any fact based info regarding over stimulation with test.?

How to determine your threshold?
How to remedy the problem ?
etc..,


Thanks

All androgens can overstimulate.Some is contributed to the anxious,irritable,BP increasing,mood swing inducing effect of excess aromatization into estrogen. An aromatase inhibitor can rectify this.
Also 5-alpha reduction of test into the more potent and stimulating androgen DHT is an infamous instigator.Finasteride can be helpful for this. Of course your doses for anti-e and finasteride will depend on the dose of test.
I agree with RADAR in injecting longer esters more frequently in order to avoid peaks and troughs(fluctuations) in test levels.However your threshold is an individual thing and controlling the metabolites of test can be achieved by striving to keep the metabolites as close to baseline as possible.This can be done via regular blood tests both before and during a cycle.
Keep in mind that even if you can minipulate these variables effectively you are still faced with the stimulatory effect of test(androgen) itself,and if intolerable you should modify your cycle with fewer or much lower doses of androgens.

BTW libido problems are common with too much estrogen and from overstimulation of the neuro-endocrine system which results in tension and anxiety from increased catecholamine synthesis.

B32

 

[oldman69]

blew,

Thanks for the info. Very helpful.

I am fairly new to this board, and do not quite understand the purpose of Karma, but I hit you one anyway. For what ever that's worth.

Thanks,
Much appreciated.

 

[bible51isonya]

Everyone has different reactions to different doses. If I had it to do over I would stay away from ther heavier doses of test i.e. a gram or more per week. Nothing above 50 mg. a day of any oral or 300 a week of deca. these doses give me great results with little sides. A gram or more of test above 50 on the orals or 300 on the deca the sides vary from limp noodle, extreme acne, High BP, internal organ pains like kidneys, hair loss. The thinning hair is the worst from a vanity standpoint. some people can handle larger doses and may need them for good gains but these are the # I pretty much go by.

 

[oldman69]

All androgens can overstimulate.Some is contributed to the anxious,irritable,BP increasing,mood swing inducing effect of excess aromatization into estrogen. An aromatase inhibitor can rectify this.
Also 5-alpha reduction of test into the more potent and stimulating androgen DHT is an infamous instigator.Finasteride can be helpful for this. Of course your doses for anti-e and finasteride will depend on the dose of test.
I agree with RADAR in injecting longer esters more frequently in order to avoid peaks and troughs(fluctuations) in test levels.However your threshold is an individual thing and controlling the metabolites of test can be achieved by striving to keep the metabolites as close to baseline as possible.This can be done via regular blood tests both before and during a cycle.
Keep in mind that even if you can minipulate these variables effectively you are still faced with the stimulatory effect of test(androgen) itself,and if intolerable you should modify your cycle with fewer or much lower doses of androgens.

BTW libido problems are common with too much estrogen and from overstimulation of the neuro-endocrine system which results in tension and anxiety from increased catecholamine synthesis.


blew,
Great feedback. Again, much appreciated.

Can you elaborate on " controlling the metabolites of test " ? how do I exactly keep them close to baseline? How can I (?) if possible control the increased catecholamine synthesis?

If I am hypersensitive to test, would AS such as primo depot, anavar, mesteron, winstrol, etc.., be the answer?

Thanks.

 

[Judo Tom]

i thought a lot of it had to do with shbg? am i off with this?

i thought things like proviron, winny, 5aa could help in this area.. but im not sure..

my libido was probably highest on around 350-400mg of test E but best gains came at around 800-900mg

 

[ATLmuscles]

i thought a lot of it had to do with shbg? am i off with this?

i thought things like proviron, winny, 5aa could help in this area.. but im not sure..

my libido was probably highest on around 350-400mg of test E but best gains came at around 800-900mg

I had to respond only because this post includes one of my favorite words, "overstimulate!"

But, why is everyone on this board so concerned with their libido? Really!? I guess we all have different goals. Mine have been and continue to be to get myself to the biggest freakiest level that I can take my body to. I really don't care if I'm getting laid along the way. (I guess I'm lucky in that I've never really lost libido anyway.) But, geez, is everyone on here trying to get buff just to get laid? Not critical, we all have our motives, just curious.

 

[instant.muscle]

not me, my girl liked me more when i was small, im doin it for my own well being, and strength.

 

[dacdac]

All the estrogen metabolites some people build up from too much test is one of the things that can "overstimulate" as you put it. After all estrogen comes from some Greek word that means to make hysterical. Androgen comes from the Greek word, to make man. Make sure you are overstimulating yourself with something that makes you a man.

BTW, finasteride is for the hairline and thats all and it is not so great at that. DHT is a friend of your entire body except your scalp.

 

[sigmund]

I had to respond only because this post includes one of my favorite words, "overstimulate!"

But, why is everyone on this board so concerned with their libido? Really!? I guess we all have different goals. Mine have been and continue to be to get myself to the biggest freakiest level that I can take my body to. I really don't care if I'm getting laid along the way. (I guess I'm lucky in that I've never really lost libido anyway.) But, geez, is everyone on here trying to get buff just to get laid? Not critical, we all have our motives, just curious.

I admire your will power and strength of mind in not being concerned about libido. I would say that many (but not all) bro's on this board are interested in improving their physique for various reasons often inclusive of attracting women - it's one of my motivators.

I note you say that you've never really lost libido, so it probably isn't a major worry for you... but for those it does affect I think it dominates their lives as IMHO sex-drive plays a critical role in a man's life, even in old age.

 

[b1ewsw32]

All androgens can overstimulate.Some is contributed to the anxious,irritable,BP increasing,mood swing inducing effect of excess aromatization into estrogen. An aromatase inhibitor can rectify this.
Also 5-alpha reduction of test into the more potent and stimulating androgen DHT is an infamous instigator.Finasteride can be helpful for this. Of course your doses for anti-e and finasteride will depend on the dose of test.
I agree with RADAR in injecting longer esters more frequently in order to avoid peaks and troughs(fluctuations) in test levels.However your threshold is an individual thing and controlling the metabolites of test can be achieved by striving to keep the metabolites as close to baseline as possible.This can be done via regular blood tests both before and during a cycle.
Keep in mind that even if you can minipulate these variables effectively you are still faced with the stimulatory effect of test(androgen) itself,and if intolerable you should modify your cycle with fewer or much lower doses of androgens.

BTW libido problems are common with too much estrogen and from overstimulation of the neuro-endocrine system which results in tension and anxiety from increased catecholamine synthesis.


blew,
Great feedback. Again, much appreciated.

Can you elaborate on " controlling the metabolites of test " ? how do I exactly keep them close to baseline? How can I (?) if possible control the increased catecholamine synthesis?

If I am hypersensitive to test, would AS such as primo depot, anavar, mesteron, winstrol, etc.., be the answer?

Thanks.

First of all establish what should be your baseline via blood levels before a cycle(100% natural) ie.Free and total test,DHT and estradiol. Then when on-cycle re-check levels every 3wks. and adjust as best you can using the previously mentioned agents.
It will take some time experimenting with the doses to acomplish this.

Catecholamine's are the neuro-endocrine chemicals which are synthesized from some stimulants and androgens.Once you have controlled the metabolites and if neccesary reducing the androgen dose or totally cessatating it altogether,then this will eliminate excessive intrusive cat production.

Yes the anabolics you listed would be better alternatives and should eliminate most of your problems.

B32

 

[oldman69]

blewse32.

thanks for the feedback. much appreciated