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In a world where it is not always possible to obtain pharma ancillaries, I have used Formadrol & Ergopharms 6OXO Extreme and found them to be effective AI's. I believe your products Nelson may represent a leap forward in estrogen control but I also believe there are other products out there that also have their place.
 
6-oxo and novedex work and work well:
Willoughby DS, Wilborn C, Taylor L, Campbell W.
Department of Health, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, Waco, TX 76798-7313, USA.

This study examined the effects of an aromatase-inhibiting nutritional supplement on serum steroid hormones, body composition, and clinical safety markers. Sixteen eugonadal young men ingested either Novedex XT or a placebo daily for 8 wk, followed by a 3-wk washout period. Body composition was assessed and blood and urine samples obtained at weeks 0, 4, 8, and 11. Data were analyzed by 2-way repeated-measures ANOVA. Novedex XT resulted in average increases of 283%, 625%, 566%, and 438% for total testosterone (P=0.001), free testosterone (P=0.001), dihydrotestosterone (P=0.001), and the testosterone:estrogen ratio (P=0.001), respectively, whereas fat mass decreased 3.5% (P=0.026) during supplementation. No significant differences were observed in blood and urinary clinical safety markers or for any of the other serum hormones (P>0.05). This study indicates that Novedex XT significantly increases serum androgen levels and decreases fat mass.

PMID: 17460335 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

now for 6-oxo:
A study was recently completed at Baylor University that looked at the physiological responses to 8 week cycles of 6-OXO. In this study, there were two groups – one that consumed 300mg 6-OXO a day and one that consumed 600mg a day. Each group took the 6-OXO for 8 weeks during which blood samples were taken at intervals throughout the cycle and at 3 weeks after the completion of the cycle. The blood was later analyzed for hormone levels and for toxicity indicators.

The full results cannot be released until the study is peer reviewed, however we can give you a sneak peak at the most important aspect of the study – the influence of 6-OXO upon free testosterone levels.

As you can see from the graph, the 600mg a day group experienced a very substantial increase in free testosterone that was sustained throughout the 8 week cycle. The levels peaked around the 3 week mark, where they measured roughly twice that of baseline levels.

Of particular interest is the fact that after the 3 week washout period, the levels of testosterone for both the 300mg and 600mg groups were pretty much exactly the same as they were at the start of the cycle. This indicates that there are no negative rebound effects upon testosterone levels after cessation of 6-OXO cycles.

It is also important to note that a complete blood panel showed no significant changes in toxicity parameters throughout the course of the cycles.

not bad for otc...
 
josenunes said:
6-oxo and novedex work and work well:
Willoughby DS, Wilborn C, Taylor L, Campbell W.
Department of Health, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, Waco, TX 76798-7313, USA.

This study examined the effects of an aromatase-inhibiting nutritional supplement on serum steroid hormones, body composition, and clinical safety markers. Sixteen eugonadal young men ingested either Novedex XT or a placebo daily for 8 wk, followed by a 3-wk washout period. Body composition was assessed and blood and urine samples obtained at weeks 0, 4, 8, and 11. Data were analyzed by 2-way repeated-measures ANOVA. Novedex XT resulted in average increases of 283%, 625%, 566%, and 438% for total testosterone (P=0.001), free testosterone (P=0.001), dihydrotestosterone (P=0.001), and the testosterone:estrogen ratio (P=0.001), respectively, whereas fat mass decreased 3.5% (P=0.026) during supplementation. No significant differences were observed in blood and urinary clinical safety markers or for any of the other serum hormones (P>0.05). This study indicates that Novedex XT significantly increases serum androgen levels and decreases fat mass.

PMID: 17460335 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

now for 6-oxo:
A study was recently completed at Baylor University that looked at the physiological responses to 8 week cycles of 6-OXO. In this study, there were two groups – one that consumed 300mg 6-OXO a day and one that consumed 600mg a day. Each group took the 6-OXO for 8 weeks during which blood samples were taken at intervals throughout the cycle and at 3 weeks after the completion of the cycle. The blood was later analyzed for hormone levels and for toxicity indicators.

The full results cannot be released until the study is peer reviewed, however we can give you a sneak peak at the most important aspect of the study – the influence of 6-OXO upon free testosterone levels.

As you can see from the graph, the 600mg a day group experienced a very substantial increase in free testosterone that was sustained throughout the 8 week cycle. The levels peaked around the 3 week mark, where they measured roughly twice that of baseline levels.

Of particular interest is the fact that after the 3 week washout period, the levels of testosterone for both the 300mg and 600mg groups were pretty much exactly the same as they were at the start of the cycle. This indicates that there are no negative rebound effects upon testosterone levels after cessation of 6-OXO cycles.

It is also important to note that a complete blood panel showed no significant changes in toxicity parameters throughout the course of the cycles.

not bad for otc...
Great research Bro
 
Variable Baseline Day 7 Day 14 Day 21 Day 28
Testosterone ng/dL 517 (162) 1265 (252) 1515 (212) 1714 (322) 1758 (435)
bio T (ng/dL) 159 (57) 636 (265) 798 (94) 971 (226) 998 (210)
Estradiol (pg/mL) 22 (3) 19 (9) 16 (9) 19 (11) 19 (9)
Glucose (mg/dL) 90 (4) 87 (10)
BUN:Cr 17 (5) 17 (4)
Bilirubin (mg/dL) 0.8 (0.5) 0.9 (0.5)
ALP (IU/L) 84 (32) 67 (43)
AST (IU/L) 27 (7) 27 (8)
ALT (IU/L) 29 (11) 31 (15)
Chol (mg/dL) 156 (19) 163 (27)
TAG (mg/dL) 74 (22) 72 (19)
HDL (mg/dL) 54 (3) 51 (9)
LDL (mg/dL) 87 (18) 97 (20)
SBP (mm Hg) 124 (5) 124 (11)
DBP (mm Hg) 75 (6) 74 (14)


I am sorry but levels of test at 1758 ng/dl? I call bullshit. There are individuals on 200mg of test that do not have bloodwork like that. No I never tried it. And nothing against Gaspari as M1-T worked.
 
Nemisis RR said:
Variable Baseline Day 7 Day 14 Day 21 Day 28
Testosterone ng/dL 517 (162) 1265 (252) 1515 (212) 1714 (322) 1758 (435)
bio T (ng/dL) 159 (57) 636 (265) 798 (94) 971 (226) 998 (210)
Estradiol (pg/mL) 22 (3) 19 (9) 16 (9) 19 (11) 19 (9)
Glucose (mg/dL) 90 (4) 87 (10)
BUN:Cr 17 (5) 17 (4)
Bilirubin (mg/dL) 0.8 (0.5) 0.9 (0.5)
ALP (IU/L) 84 (32) 67 (43)
AST (IU/L) 27 (7) 27 (8)
ALT (IU/L) 29 (11) 31 (15)
Chol (mg/dL) 156 (19) 163 (27)
TAG (mg/dL) 74 (22) 72 (19)
HDL (mg/dL) 54 (3) 51 (9)
LDL (mg/dL) 87 (18) 97 (20)
SBP (mm Hg) 124 (5) 124 (11)
DBP (mm Hg) 75 (6) 74 (14)


I am sorry but levels of test at 1758 ng/dl? I call bullshit. There are individuals on 200mg of test that do not have bloodwork like that. No I never tried it. And nothing against Gaspari as M1-T worked.

Thank you. Those numbers are total bullshit, I don;t care what "university: it was supposedly conducted. And anything that involves Pat Arnold has as much credence as the tooth fairy.
 
Nelson Montana said:
How can you be sure it worked? How do you what would have happened had you taken nothing? Did you have blood drawn pre and post?

Drugs, herbs and nutrients have been tested for effectiveness. Prohormones are not. All claims are from the company that makes them.
I have a 67 year old client who was on it with his andro gel and his estrogen levels were almost zero! Only Anti-E he used. Never used it myself though.

Q.
 
al420 said:
I use AIFM, and it works great. If I an on Fina I use cabaser as well.

750mg/wk of Test and 4 pumps of AIFM a day split am/pm.


+1 bro ;) still usin' the aifm as well.. If it works why not use it right? People will flame me for supporting it but whatever, i dont know the past e-drama really well. Im sure some of our sponsors have products that work as well also though!
 
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