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-lll---lll- said:
Anyone know what otc pain meds are safe to take while on winstrol?
Aleve is probably your best bet.Its same thing as script naprosyn.Any oral goes thru the liver so stay away from tylenol(acetaminophen).Ibuprophen can be hard on the stomach.as well as kidneys and liver.but only in high doses.I wouldnt worry about any if used in moderation.as with anything,moderation is the key.
 
-lll---lll- said:
Anyone know what otc pain meds are safe to take while on winstrol?
do not see any interactions here, but avoid advil/motrin (hard on the liver)


from drugs.com


What other drugs will affect Winstrol (stanozolol)?
Before taking stanozolol, talk to your doctor if you are taking any of the following medicines:

an anticoagulant (blood thinner) such as warfarin (Coumadin); or

insulin or an oral diabetes medicine such as glipizide (Glucotrol), glyburide (DiaBeta, Glynase, Micronase), glimepiride (Amaryl), chlorpropamide (Diabinese), acetohexamide (Dymelor), tolbutamide (Orinase), tolazamide (Tolinase), and others.

You may require a dosage adjustment or special monitoring if you are taking any of the medicines listed above.

From UMM.edu

Drug Interactions
Increased toxicity: ACTH, adrenal steroids may increase risk of edema and acne; stanozolol enhances the hypoprothrombinemic effects of oral anticoagulants; enhances the hypoglycemic effects of insulin and sulfonylureas (oral hypoglycemics)


from wellness.com

Iron
Stanozolol was associated with iron depletion in a group of 16 people.1 The results suggest that people taking this drug on a regular basis have their iron status monitored by the prescribing doctor. There is insufficient information to recommend routine iron supplementation during stanozolol treatment.

from Litts Drug Ref
potentially dangerous interaction with anticoagulant warfarin (Coumadin);
 
i take no painkillers while on, actually i dont take any while on, they r just not good for u physically, its better 2 fight thru the pain naturally then have ur body build a tolerance and be dependent on the drug 2 where u always hurt IMO
 
instant.muscle said:
its better 2 fight thru the pain naturally then have ur body build a tolerance and be dependent on the drug 2 where u always hurt IMO

Actually its best to listen to what your body is telling you, if there is pain there is damage and its more than just muscle aches staying on, masking the pain with meds and lifting heavy sets you up for more severe injuries.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with zyglamail here and am absolute firm believer with listening to your body. Unless the pain is unbearable and then maybe take something but do not train at the same time as your placing yourslef at risk of increased injury.
 
-lll---lll- said:
Anyone know what otc pain meds are safe to take while on winstrol?
If you don't have stomach problems with these medicines, then Ibuprofen and naproxyn. There are various brand names (Advil, Aleve).
Even if you have stomach problems, you can try taking zantac with them. In many people, stomach problem will not happen if you take zantac at the same time.
Very little effect on liver.
There is a possibility that these medicines may have small effect on your muscle gains.
 
eddymerckx said:
do not see any interactions here, but avoid advil/motrin (hard on the liver)


from drugs.com


What other drugs will affect Winstrol (stanozolol)?
Before taking stanozolol, talk to your doctor if you are taking any of the following medicines:

an anticoagulant (blood thinner) such as warfarin (Coumadin); or

insulin or an oral diabetes medicine such as glipizide (Glucotrol), glyburide (DiaBeta, Glynase, Micronase), glimepiride (Amaryl), chlorpropamide (Diabinese), acetohexamide (Dymelor), tolbutamide (Orinase), tolazamide (Tolinase), and others.

You may require a dosage adjustment or special monitoring if you are taking any of the medicines listed above.

From UMM.edu

Drug Interactions
Increased toxicity: ACTH, adrenal steroids may increase risk of edema and acne; stanozolol enhances the hypoprothrombinemic effects of oral anticoagulants; enhances the hypoglycemic effects of insulin and sulfonylureas (oral hypoglycemics)


from wellness.com

Iron
Stanozolol was associated with iron depletion in a group of 16 people.1 The results suggest that people taking this drug on a regular basis have their iron status monitored by the prescribing doctor. There is insufficient information to recommend routine iron supplementation during stanozolol treatment.

from Litts Drug Ref
potentially dangerous interaction with anticoagulant warfarin (Coumadin);


Actually, Advil/Motrin (Ibuprofen) is fine on the liver. Anything in the NSAID class is your best bet...Aleve, Advil, Celebrex, Diclofenac, Mobic, etc. You would try to stay away from Tylenol (Acetominephen) which is hard on the liver.
 
NSAIDs have a number of other potentially beneficial effects, too, including a huge reduction in the long-term risk of Alzheimers disease, and potential reductions in the rates of heart disease and other inflammation-mediated conditions. Also, reducing inflammation quickly after injury often helps with healing -- this is why people ice strained joints. (Of course, many steroids are also anti-inflammatories.)

I really like using Ibuprofen daily; it's cheap if you buy from Costco. ;) But if it gives you an upset stomach, naproxen or aspirin also work well. Tylenol is tough on the liver.

If you need something stronger than over-the-counter painkillers, chances are that something's not right.
 
st8grad said:
Actually, Advil/Motrin (Ibuprofen) is fine on the liver. Anything in the NSAID class is your best bet...Aleve, Advil, Celebrex, Diclofenac, Mobic, etc. You would try to stay away from Tylenol (Acetominephen) which is hard on the liver.

I agree---tylenol is the hardest on the liver, but advil etc can raise certain liver enzymes that can cause liver damage if the liver is at all compromised. I am not an md, so i am not sure if the liver is considered comprimised during an oral steroid cycle in that a change in liver enzymes could cause damage--

i guess i just agree with the bros above--if there is some acute pain that is out of the ordinary, masking it in order t work out is just not smart.
 
Thanks guys, that's exactly what I was looking for. I think im fucked now however. I was taking the pain meds at night to try to help me sleep. My fear however, has now officially become my reality. I totally blew my right shoulder. Rotator cuff. I know it, because I blew the left one 3 years ago. I can't even sit down and play fucking socom, shower or do jack shit without excruciating pain, and doubling or tripling up on the advil doesn't help. What an absolute fucking waste! Just typing this reply is killing me.

When I blew my other side 3 years ago, I also could not sleep whatsoever. My doc then gave me a shot of some corticosteroid right in the joint. I felt nearly zero pain for 4 months, continued working out (stupidity) then went back for a second shot, but it did not work. Had to stop working out completely. Right now I can't even bench at all, barbell curl, all I can do is some isolation exercises, and a few cable excercises. Deja fucking vu!

I'm not even half way through my cycle, I'm up just over 25lbs, now I fear I'm going to lose it all. I don't know whether I should go get a shot on this side now. Get off the gear immediately, and stop working out completely. Or simply keep doing what few excercises I can do and maybe just drop the winstrol, because I am assuming this is not going to help, only dry my joints out, and likely cause more pain. I'm fairly certain I already know what the answer will be, but would still like to know what some of your advice would be, on this shitty situation. Thanks brothas.
 
Zyglamail said:
Actually its best to listen to what your body is telling you, if there is pain there is damage and its more than just muscle aches staying on, masking the pain with meds and lifting heavy sets you up for more severe injuries.
Yes but an anti inflamatory can help Heal w/ some ice ect..........
 
chris69 said:
Yes but an anti inflamatory can help Heal w/ some ice
ect..........

NOT where tendon and ligament damage has occurred. NSAIDs will hinder the natural healing cascade. NSAID's are pushed by Doc's who treat people daily who are concerned with nothing but pain and are the typical couch potato. NSAID use while you have tendon and liniment damage and working through the pain is a HUGE contributor to more severe injuries sustained by athletes.
 
-lll---lll- said:
Thanks guys, that's exactly what I was looking for. I think im fucked now however. I was taking the pain meds at night to try to help me sleep. My fear however, has now officially become my reality. I totally blew my right shoulder. Rotator cuff. I know it, because I blew the left one 3 years ago. I can't even sit down and play fucking socom, shower or do jack shit without excruciating pain, and doubling or tripling up on the advil doesn't help. What an absolute fucking waste! Just typing this reply is killing me.

What happened, exactly? Sometimes people who think they've damaged themselves at the gym really haven't -- frozen shoulder can happen to men as well as women. The answer in that case is *definitely* a corticosteroid shot in the afflicted joint; without that, you'll get terrible buildup of scar tissue.
 
serpentnine said:
What happened, exactly? Sometimes people who think they've damaged themselves at the gym really haven't -- frozen shoulder can happen to men as well as women. The answer in that case is *definitely* a corticosteroid shot in the afflicted joint; without that, you'll get terrible buildup of scar tissue.
You need to be VERY careful with Corticosteroid injections and if you have an injury to a joint and are bound and determined to get one then you better lay off lifting for a few months after getting it, failure to do so can result in significant additional damage to the joint.
 
Zyglamail said:
You need to be VERY careful with Corticosteroid injections and if you have an injury to a joint and are bound and determined to get one then you better lay off lifting for a few months after getting it, failure to do so can result in significant additional damage to the joint.

What about the scarification that can result from permitting joints to stay inflamed? I know that for my minor joint injuries, anti-inflammatories and gentler exercise result in far faster recovery than either continuing to train hard (very bad idea, I agree) or completely taking time off. But then, perhaps I've just never really messed anything up that bad.
 
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Zyglamail said:
Actually its best to listen to what your body is telling you, if there is pain there is damage and its more than just muscle aches staying on, masking the pain with meds and lifting heavy sets you up for more severe injuries.
yes i agree when i said fight thru it i didnt mean by training i meant don't lift until the pain in naturally gone and dont mask the pain and lift
 
nice avatar by the way
-lll---lll- said:
Thanks guys, that's exactly what I was looking for. I think im fucked now however. I was taking the pain meds at night to try to help me sleep. My fear however, has now officially become my reality. I totally blew my right shoulder. Rotator cuff. I know it, because I blew the left one 3 years ago. I can't even sit down and play fucking socom, shower or do jack shit without excruciating pain, and doubling or tripling up on the advil doesn't help. What an absolute fucking waste! Just typing this reply is killing me.

When I blew my other side 3 years ago, I also could not sleep whatsoever. My doc then gave me a shot of some corticosteroid right in the joint. I felt nearly zero pain for 4 months, continued working out (stupidity) then went back for a second shot, but it did not work. Had to stop working out completely. Right now I can't even bench at all, barbell curl, all I can do is some isolation exercises, and a few cable excercises. Deja fucking vu!

I'm not even half way through my cycle, I'm up just over 25lbs, now I fear I'm going to lose it all. I don't know whether I should go get a shot on this side now. Get off the gear immediately, and stop working out completely. Or simply keep doing what few excercises I can do and maybe just drop the winstrol, because I am assuming this is not going to help, only dry my joints out, and likely cause more pain. I'm fairly certain I already know what the answer will be, but would still like to know what some of your advice would be, on this shitty situation. Thanks brothas.
 
serpentnine said:
What about the scarification that can result from permitting joints to stay inflamed? I know that for my minor joint injuries, anti-inflammatories and gentler exercise result in far faster recovery than either continuing to train hard (very bad idea, I agree) or completely taking time off. But then, perhaps I've just never really messed anything up that bad.

Thats why I said you need to be careful. Certain injuries can benefit from anti-inflamatories to some degree but in many other cases they can be very detrimental.

I bet frozen shoulder injuries are no where near as common as simple tendon/ligament injuries and most athletes, especially lifters, arent going to let a little stiffness slow them down so that scar tissue can develop.

For lifters, pain IS the name of the game, serious lifting can be seriously uncomfortable as everyone here knows. Exercise and intensity that would stop the average couch potato cold in their tracks is just another trip to the gym for us. When you read these descriptions of ailments etc, keep in mind that they are targeted to the general public, not serious lifters.
 
-lll---lll- said:
Anyone know what otc pain meds are safe to take while on winstrol?


aleve or ibuprofen...use low amount and not for more than a day or two
 
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