oral tren?

[bren565]

Hey guys terrified of needles, and was researching some roidies, as usual for up and comming usage,

now i found an interesting compound tren enth that aparently is the best for overall body augmentation, legit it will boost size and cut you up WOW? talk about awesome.
is there any available? otc? i mean i think its banned unfortunately... and would it stack well with superdrol? id prefer to go all the way with one big cycle then do multiple ones..

 

[ALIN]

Hey guys terrified of needles, and was researching some roidies, as usual for up and comming usage,

now i found an interesting compound tren enth that aparently is the best for overall body augmentation, legit it will boost size and cut you up WOW? talk about awesome.
is there any available? otc? i mean i think its banned unfortunately... and would it stack well with superdrol? id prefer to go all the way with one big cycle then do multiple ones..

TREN ENAN is an injecatble AAS.
Are you thinking of X-TREN that
was a 'pro-hormone'type oral?

 

[thelocal]

they have oral tren,i was looking into it also,but tren at inject is dangerous enough i wouldst do it oral

 

[bren565]

they have oral tren,i was looking into it also,but tren at inject is dangerous enough i wouldst do it oral

dangerous as in 'liver toxicity'? and ps is there any other compound that can bulk while cutting like it can? iv beenre ading for a while and its the most remarkable thing iv read about it, its a half way between a bulking and cutting steroid, best of both worlds?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Imo if your aren't willing to inject then steroids are not for you.

Alot of guy's try oral's before injecting. You realize later on that injects+orals are best/multiple injects.

I certainly wouldn't mess with tren starting out, even in oral form.

Get yourself some test, do 250-500mg a week for 10 weeks, train hard, eat good, get LOTS of protein in and grow like a champ.

 

[bren565]

10 weeks seems kinda long? and i have dianabol and superdrol on deck

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Right over the head...

 

[thelocal]

10 weeks is a good number to start out with..test with long esters takes time to show the results you want,..yea i forgot to ask your aas history?..if u never cycled before do not do tren

 

[Discreet User]

Imo if your aren't willing to inject then steroids are not for you.

Alot of guy's try oral's before injecting. You realize later on that injects+orals are best/multiple injects.

I certainly wouldn't mess with tren starting out, even in oral form.

Get yourself some test, do 250-500mg a week for 10 weeks, train hard, eat good, get LOTS of protein in and grow like a champ.

Ghettostud, I agree with you bro. I was very close to running an oral only cycle. Then I researched for over 1 year. Now I'm on my first cycle, Test Cyp 400 mg/week only.

Injections are really not that bad. Needles are extremely sharp and they do their job well

 

[bren565]

10 weeks is a good number to start out with..test with long esters takes time to show the results you want,..yea i forgot to ask your aas history?..if u never cycled before do not do tren

yeah this cycle comming up is the first, its just that for what i have i want a real body augmentation completely so i want the best results as i can only afford to do this really this one time, and i have almost everything is OTC. so i dont see any reason to go hunting for needles and possible fake shit for even more money, dont you agree/? i mean theres a chance it could be fake so i figured id try superdrol first.

 

[d_rson]

Test is rarely faked. A nice 10 week test e cycle with a beastdrol kickstart for 4 weeks would be a great cycle.

 

[Deltoid_87]

Agreed. Man up an pin that shit. Ater a while, u start to like it and look forward to pinning!

 

[bren565]

Agreed. Man up an pin that shit. Ater a while, u start to like it and look forward to pinning!

lol alright, keep in mind i dont have a source thats prob my biggest problem and test? isnt there more then one kind/ and how often would i have to take it, this sounds expensive already... i mean i already have over 500$ worth of stuff just for the superdrol dbol cyc..

 

[thelocal]

lol sounds like u got ripped man..my cycle are always under 300-400$..no dont ask for source i dont have any..test is best ..and test is rarely faked(if ever faked) because well why fake test when its so cheap?to buy they wouldnt make money off it that way

 

[d_rson]

lol alright, keep in mind i dont have a source thats prob my biggest problem and test? isnt there more then one kind/ and how often would i have to take it, this sounds expensive already... i mean i already have over 500$ worth of stuff just for the superdrol dbol cyc..

Hold on, what have you planned? Don't take superdrol and dbol at the same time dude. You need to plan this out better is "this is a one time shot" and you "want it to be the best".

You need to read way more and get a real idea of what you are going to do, and learn, before you run a cycle, so that it IS a good cycle.

 

[bren565]

Hold on, what have you planned? Don't take superdrol and dbol at the same time dude. You need to plan this out better is "this is a one time shot" and you "want it to be the best".

You need to read way more and get a real idea of what you are going to do, and learn, before you run a cycle, so that it IS a good cycle.

i have done alot of reserach man this is spanning over 1 year, forexample i considered a bulking cycle as suggested of

sust250
deca
and dbol as they work synergistcally but i got to tell you

all those needles and all the bs, is not worth it, thats why i figured id try OTC steroids first, and i heard good things about superdrol so i got a bunch of supps together and am guna run it 30mg ed + 5 mg ed dbol or perhaps 1 week dbol then the superdrol not yet decided, i also have liv.52 and all the support supps etc..

 

[Zyglamail]

.... my biggest problem and test? isnt there more then one kind/ and how often would i have to take it

i have done alot of reserach man this is spanning over 1 year,

No offense intended man but if you have been studying this for over a year you wouldn't be asking the questions you are.

If "all those needles and all the bs, is not worth it" as you say, then stick 100% to OTC and just follow the manufacturers recommendations for dosing and recovery.

You really should be beyond a fear of needles and should have done enough research so you can names the test esters, what it would take for PCT etc and if you cant then you havent done enough research and really should just stick with OTC.

 

[bren565]

Hold on, what have you planned? Don't take superdrol and dbol at the same time dude. You need to plan this out better is "this is a one time shot" and you "want it to be the best".

You need to read way more and get a real idea of what you are going to do, and learn, before you run a cycle, so that it IS a good cycle.

full plan (so far this is what im thinking)



week 1-4

beastdrol
hcgenerate
unleashed
gear
plasmajet
forged joint rep
ancient strength
test conversion fact 1
liv.52
superpump 250
toco 8
fish oil
orange triad

week 5-8

pct
unleashed
hcgenerate
tcf-1
toco 8
forma stanzol

week 9-12
bridge
forma stanzol

 

[bren565]

No offense intended man but if you have been studying this for over a year you wouldn't be asking the questions you are.

If "all those needles and all the bs, is not worth it" as you say, then stick 100% to OTC and just follow the manufacturers recommendations for dosing and recovery.

You really should be beyond a fear of needles and should have done enough research so you can names the test esters, what it would take for PCT etc and if you cant then you havent done enough research and really should just stick with OTC.

yes, totally fair, thats waht im feeling, which is why i was searching for oral tren, as i have a fear of fake shit, and the otc stuff is monitored and sold legitimately thats the only reason i was looking for some oral tren otc, as i had read about it and liked the results, so i agree with you, i do not think im ready for anything intraveinous.

 

[Zyglamail]

i do not think im ready for anything intraveinous.

No one is ready for "intraveinous", I believe that would likely be lethal . AAS is done intramuscular

 

[Discreet User]

Listen to the prevailing opinions of the good bros on this forum. Many of them have years of experience and they speak out of true concern. Nobody here is trying to force you against your intended cycle just for the hell of it. They are giving you advice as they know from experience what is best.

I spent years studying all aspects of AAS use. Like you, I was set on doing some sort of oral only cycle. I am now on my first cycle, testosterone only, and am loving life. Injections are designed to work as they do, don't be so afraid of them. Gram per gram injectables are less unhealthy than orals, which can do serious damage in a short amount of time, even if you take all necessary precautions.

Think of it this way: Testosterone is already floating around in your body naturally.

I am not telling you to go one way or another; and must admit that I get my gear legally through a pharmacy.

You may make excellent gains naturally by simply getting your diet and training in order. Do not discount this advice.

 

[jbryand101b]

I dont think he should do either.

steroids aren't for the lazy. And If you cant put the time in to understand them, and how they work. what they do to your body. you shouldn't mess with them.

 

[d_rson]

full plan (so far this is what im thinking)



week 1-4

beastdrol
hcgenerate
unleashed
gear
plasmajet
forged joint rep
ancient strength
test conversion fact 1
liv.52
superpump 250
toco 8
fish oil
orange triad

week 5-8

pct
unleashed
hcgenerate
tcf-1
toco 8
forma stanzol

week 9-12
bridge
forma stanzol

I think you should stick with this. I tought you said you were going to do dbol as well. But don't. Save it.

 

[Discreet User]

I think you should stick with this. I tought you said you were going to do dbol as well. But don't. Save it.

I am not familiar with all of the mentioned compounds.

Is it safe for him to take all of these together?
What sides should he look out for/expect?

 

[bren565]

I am not familiar with all of the mentioned compounds.

Is it safe for him to take all of these together?
What sides should he look out for/expect?

well iv looked into this

hcgenerate is designed to protect LH in your testes during cycle and off cycle so taking it throughout is good to aid in fast recovery

estrogen - wont increase or aromatize as beastdrol (superdrol ) is a dht derivative of testosterone, although i do have formestane as well as the mentioned formastanzol just in case

hairloss... skin - toco 8 you can buy from primordial perf it is used on cycle for scalp and skin health,

as LDL and cholesterol is added (increased) by AAS use, i take DAA (d aspartic acid) which is test conversion factor, which will work in the synergestic way as it aparently converts cholesterool to test.

forged joint repair, ( i heard superdrol produces back pumps, and joint pain as it drys u out aparently)

gear- nitrogen retention

ancient strength creatine (normal stuff, just trying to milk cycle)

unleashed - reduces SHBG, once again, to milk cycle, and have as much free/available test i can get.

formastanzol - during pct to keep estrogen at bay during recovery.

bridge, - just as a precaution test booster from needto in order to just cap off my recovery, and make sure its 'ok'

 

[-SD-]

If you arent slamming that cold hard steel into your ass/delts/quads/wherever, then you arent really juicing. and LOL @ oral tren.

You want the real goodies you are going to have to get used to the steel darts bro.

 

[Discreet User]

well iv looked into this

hcgenerate is designed to protect LH in your testes during cycle and off cycle so taking it throughout is good to aid in fast recovery

estrogen - wont increase or aromatize as beastdrol (superdrol ) is a dht derivative of testosterone, although i do have formestane as well as the mentioned formastanzol just in case

hairloss... skin - toco 8 you can buy from primordial perf it is used on cycle for scalp and skin health,

as LDL and cholesterol is added (increased) by AAS use, i take DAA (d aspartic acid) which is test conversion factor, which will work in the synergestic way as it aparently converts cholesterool to test.

forged joint repair, ( i heard superdrol produces back pumps, and joint pain as it drys u out aparently)

gear- nitrogen retention

ancient strength creatine (normal stuff, just trying to milk cycle)

unleashed - reduces SHBG, once again, to milk cycle, and have as much free/available test i can get.

formastanzol - during pct to keep estrogen at bay during recovery.

bridge, - just as a precaution test booster from needto in order to just cap off my recovery, and make sure its 'ok'

You've definitely done your research.

Do you feel there is any risk in intaking so many compounds at once?
Each of these things invariably places some strain on the body...

Just be careful. In my professional life I encounter people who are taking many prescription medications at a time. These people never look good.

Not everything can be corrected pharmaceutically. You need some of the veterans on here who have tried a similar protocol to tell you if it's a good idea.

I hope you have access to a physician you can be honest with. Things can and do go wrong and you need to have a back-up plan in place.

Good luck with whatever you decide

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

3 most important parts of a good cycle.

1. Workout hard and/or increase volume. You have increased capacity. Both in the amount of volume your body will tolerate and frequency you can train. AAS also effects your nervous system which is often the limiter in how hard and frequently you can train your muscles.

2. EAT good. IF you are going to turn your body into a chemical experiment you should know what you are putting into it. Treat your body like a Ferrari. Only put in high grade fuel(food). If you are bulking the best way to boost your calories is from higher fat(anpb, fish oil, whole eggs) and higher protein. Eat alot of protein. Protein utilization drastically improves on AAS. I go from getting farts eating 200grams protein a day while off to eating 300-350+ easily while on. Try to get a good 3 meals a day with REAL protein. Fish, poultry, beef, eggs, lowfat milk etc. Protein shakes are awesome and really help blow up your protein intake in a day, but they are a supplement to real meat protein imo. I aim for 150 grams protein from meat and eggs and let milk and protein powder take care of the rest.

3. Sleep. As much as you can every night. Everyone is different, but one thing is universal. Whether you handle day to day life easily with 6 hours or 8, another hour or 2 will only help. The greatest amount of repair takes place while asleep.


This is stuff anyone using AAS should know, but it often get's overlooked. AAS can dramatically boost you, but it's for shit if you don't train hard and eat like a champ. IF you slog through workouts and eat like shit expect not to be impressed.

If you do everything right expect to be taken to the next level.

 

[-SD-]

I would say the biggest neglected while on cycle are diet and recovery. bors think just walking into a gym and banging out more weights, then going out and partying is what a cycle is all about.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Ya partying is a surefire way to fuck things up.

Oh hei! I worked my ass off at the gym and ate like a champ all day and then got tossed on 8 beers and maybe smoked a lil weed/snorted some coke!

That's a great way to take 1 step forward, 1 step back.

 

[-SD-]

Ya partying is a surefire way to fuck things up.

Oh hei! I worked my ass off at the gym and ate like a champ all day and then got tossed on 8 beers and maybe smoked a lil weed/snorted some coke!

That's a great way to take 1 step forward, 1 step back.

lol @ only 1 step back bor

 

[needtogetaas]

forget oral tren. sides vs gains=not worth it

 

[bren565]

studdmuffin, i feel that ur right about that sleep, eat, traiing all must be in total synergistic states, its the triangle of body building as i like to think of it, and thats why im waiting till i perfect all 3 to go juicin, even if. but i guess test is the way to go?

and need to all ways appreciate the advice, no oral tren CHECK. lol

oh and btw which test is the best? :S this gets confusing

test suspension
test prop
test enth
testoviron
testophen?

wow which one were u guys suggesting?

 

[Discreet User]

studdmuffin, i feel that ur right about that sleep, eat, traiing all must be in total synergistic states, its the triangle of body building as i like to think of it, and thats why im waiting till i perfect all 3 to go juicin, even if. but i guess test is the way to go?

and need to all ways appreciate the advice, no oral tren CHECK. lol

oh and btw which test is the best? :S this gets confusing

test suspension
test prop
test enth
testoviron
testophen?

wow which one were u guys suggesting?

If you are set on Test, then go cypionate or enanthate. They require the least frequent injections.

 

[bren565]

If you are set on Test, then go cypionate or enanthate. They require the least frequent injections.

yeah entth i hear is cheap rarely faked and is every 2 weeks NOT BAD l so 5 injections for 10 week cycle id be down , long acting tho id dbol it during for a couple weeks.. sorry oral haters! lol anyways results i can expect?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I have used test e and sustanon.

Like other's have said your best bet is test e or test cyp because the length of the ester's means you will have a consistently higher level of test in your system.

You might look into proviron or one of needtogetaas's products that lower shbg. This allows you to make sure you are getting the most from your test by making sure more of it is free to do it's thing.

Depending on the amounts of test e or test cyp you want to run per week you will likely do 1-2 injects a week. A newbie to aas even if you are an experienced weight lifter taking 1 shot test e a week is gonna have about 3.5x more test than a non using stud of a guy. I would probably recommend this and eat ALOT of protein and take in enough total calories so you can gain weight. Train hard and you will get solid results more than likely.

Everyone is different and responds differently to aas. Some really big guys run as much as 1gram test a week and in some cases even more. All comes down to how much of that your body will actually use and how much you can take before side effects become intolerable.

Nowadays many seem to believe that rather than taking mega doses of a single steroid it is better to take low to moderate doses of a couple to get synergistic effect and this makes alot of sense.

A hard training guy on 250-500mg test a week and 20-30mg dbol a day using a liver protection supplement for 8-10 weeks is gonna be in an extremely anabolic state.

 

[joe d]

10 weeks seems kinda long? and i have dianabol and superdrol on deck

dbol alone is a great cycle.

 

[Discreet User]

yeah entth i hear is cheap rarely faked and is every 2 weeks NOT BAD l so 5 injections for 10 week cycle id be down , long acting tho id dbol it during for a couple weeks.. sorry oral haters! lol anyways results i can expect?

Less frequent injections yes, but not that infrequent.
I pin my cypionate 2 x per week. 1 x per week is considered the minimum.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I'd be curious to see what liver values are like with chronic 6 pack of beer or a full bottle of wine a day drinkers look like vs. using 20-30mg dbol a day for 6-12 weeks, but eating good, exercising hard and using no other drugs like alcohol or tobacco.

My guess is the dbol guys values come out better than the alcohol users.

 

[joe d]

I'd be curious to see what liver values are like with chronic 6 pack of beer or a full bottle of wine a day drinkers look like vs. using 20-30mg dbol a day for 6-12 weeks, but eating good, exercising hard and using no other drugs like alcohol or tobacco.

My guess is the dbol guys values come out better than the alcohol users.

no. the dbol users liver will suffer more.

30mg dbol ed for 6 weeks will cause more damage than a 6 pack of beer ed for 6 weeks. of course if your talking about the guy being a life long drunk of course his lever will be worst but thats not a fair comparison

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Where are the reports on this though?

I hear alot about it, but don't ever see anyone showing any real evidence of the damage on the liver.

I don't doubt that it stresses the liver, but I'd be curious to see just how much it actually does.

If it's true about Arnold using as much as 80-100mg dbol a day for 12 week cycles for years then it seems kinda odd that as far as I know there has never been an issue with his liver.

 

[joe d]

Where are the reports on this though?

I hear alot about it, but don't ever see anyone showing any real evidence of the damage on the liver.

I don't doubt that it stresses the liver, but I'd be curious to see just how much it actually does.

If it's true about Arnold using as much as 80-100mg dbol a day for 12 week cycles for years then it seems kinda odd that as far as I know there has never been an issue with his liver.

i dont think its true that arnold used 80-100mg of dbol ed for 12 weeks at a time.

try to look at it like this. do you think you could survive 2 years taking 30mg of dbol every day with no liver support? my guess is no. i doubt you'd live even with liver support, but im about 99% sure you could drink a 6 pack ed for 10 or 20 years and be fine because i know many that have done it. alcohol is bad in many ways but your point is off. dbol is very liver toxic. run to much for to long and you will find out the hard way.

 

[thelocal]

but look EVEN,and i doubt he did,but EVEN if he did,look were all his usage lead him to,what was it triple bypass?

 

[bren565]

i dont think its true that arnold used 80-100mg of dbol ed for 12 weeks at a time.

try to look at it like this. do you think you could survive 2 years taking 30mg of dbol every day with no liver support? my guess is no. i doubt you'd live even with liver support, but im about 99% sure you could drink a 6 pack ed for 10 or 20 years and be fine because i know many that have done it. alcohol is bad in many ways but your point is off. dbol is very liver toxic. run to much for to long and you will find out the hard way.

yo dbol by itself is good? k iv heard so many people rip it down, aka all gains are gone once you stop... your response to this?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Well Joe d you seem to be a fan like me of dbol and have much more experience with it.

I'm mainly interested in test+dbol for bulking and test+anavar/primo for cutting.

Do you think cycles of up to 500mg test e and 20-30mg dbol with liver support for 10-12 week cycles with equal time off at least for the dbol would be reasonable in your experience?

 

[Discreet User]

Well Joe d you seem to be a fan like me of dbol and have much more experience with it.

I'm mainly interested in test+dbol for bulking and test+anavar/primo for cutting.

Do you think cycles of up to 500mg test e and 20-30mg dbol with liver support for 10-12 week cycles with equal time off at least for the dbol would be reasonable in your experience?

^ Good question. I'm awaiting Joe D's response to this as well. I'm on my first cycle of Test only right now, but after this I'd like to do a single oral + Test cycle.

 

[joe d]

yo dbol by itself is good? k iv heard so many people rip it down, aka all gains are gone once you stop... your response to this?

anyone that runs a steroid that made gains and lost them, lost the gains because they didnt know how to keep their gains.

 

[joe d]

Well Joe d you seem to be a fan like me of dbol and have much more experience with it.

I'm mainly interested in test+dbol for bulking and test+anavar/primo for cutting.

Do you think cycles of up to 500mg test e and 20-30mg dbol with liver support for 10-12 week cycles with equal time off at least for the dbol would be reasonable in your experience?

i think you will be ok on 20mg for 12 weeks if you drink lots of water, eat a few servings of mixed berries throughout the day (including cranberries), and run a liver support. i would suggest getting checked out by the end of week 6-8 to make sure you are holding up ok the first time.

 

[eClenbuterol]

a good liver detox should include milk thistle,cranberry juice and ALA

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

You guys have an idea what a basic blood test costs?

I would definitely get a test done in week 6-8 to see where things sit to gauge how my body really handles the stuff.

I haven't used dbol longer than 4 weeks, but felt tops. With a blood test would be nice to see my liver say hey, mildly loaded, but np brah! Keep it coming for another 4-8 weeks lol.

 

[needtogetaas]

no. the dbol users liver will suffer more.

30mg dbol ed for 6 weeks will cause more damage than a 6 pack of beer ed for 6 weeks. of course if your talking about the guy being a life long drunk of course his lever will be worst but thats not a fair comparison

damn right it will.