opinions on 2 diff cycles

[HAYEZ]

after all said and done..which cycle layout would bring the best gains....anyone that has done similiar please give some advice!
im not gonna post dosages since the board has become PC...lol..were just talking substances right now..

prop 1-5
tren 1-5
dbol 1-6
test 2-14
deca 2-12
hgh 5iu ed 6 months
15- on cruise 150-200 mg trt for good

or

dbol 1-6
test e 1-12
deca 1-10
test p 12-17
tren a 12-17
hgh 5iu ed 6 months

18-on cruise 150-200mg test e trt for good


opinions from people who have done similiar?

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

thats a lot of gear...
i would just do test, deca, dbol and MAYBE a prop kickstart but wouldnt add any tren to that mess

 

[HAYEZ]

the prop and tren i have is premixed...its either both or none...trying to get the max out of everythign this time....since ill have a script from now on useing to advantage

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

if they are pre-mixed then use that as your kicker and drop the dbol.
what are your goals for this cycle?
if its shear size and strength than you cant beat DBOL
but if you are wanting less bloat than go with the tren/prop

 

[RADAR]

King of mass gainers Is Dbol,Deca, & Test


RADAR

 

[swole]

King of mass gainers Is Dbol,Deca, & Test


RADAR

Why?

When it's all said and done, and your (not yours personally) estrogen and sodium-induced bloat has faded like a fart in the wind, what's left is lean mass.

Take a compound like primo. It adds nothing but lean mass. No water retention. Stack it with test and you'll have a cleaner, more efficient bulker than test/deca.

The only way you can prove me wrong is to talk from personal experience, which makes your basic assumption altogether false because compounds will work differently for different peeps.

Yes, I can blow up on dbol. But how much is lean mass? Who knows...until you're done you'll never know.

But with compounds such as primo, eq, winstrol and masteron you can see those slabs of muscle growing by the day without an extra sheet of water over them. For me, that is the best way to judge a compound...being able to see it's effects daily.

12 weeks of deca only vs. 12 weeks of primo only.

Same calories, same routine, same everything.

6 weeks after your last shot, which one will give you more mass? And why?

It's user-dependent.

 

[HAYEZ]

basically just want to get as much size and strength as possible.....

kind of in a dillema...if i do the test/deca/dbol then as its coming to a end prop/tren i feel i may be able to get more strength towards the end but it will prob end up cutting me up.....but if i start with the tren/prop/dbol and onto the test deca/ i can use the added stength from the first month to help out gaining more size from the test/deca...
maybe save the dbol until midway through and start then to give a boost of strength?

was hoping maybe somone has tried 1 or the other and how the results were...i know after the first 8 weeks the results slow dramtically...was hoping maybe witht he right combo could see good results the whole time(or most of the cycle worth)

 

[RADAR]

Why?

When it's all said and done, and your (not yours personally) estrogen and sodium-induced bloat has faded like a fart in the wind, what's left is lean mass.

Take a compound like primo. It adds nothing but lean mass. No water retention. Stack it with test and you'll have a cleaner, more efficient bulker than test/deca.

The only way you can prove me wrong is to talk from personal experience, which makes your basic assumption altogether false because compounds will work differently for different peeps.

Yes, I can blow up on dbol. But how much is lean mass? Who knows...until you're done you'll never know.

But with compounds such as primo, eq, winstrol and masteron you can see those slabs of muscle growing by the day without an extra sheet of water over them. For me, that is the best way to judge a compound...being able to see it's effects daily.

12 weeks of deca only vs. 12 weeks of primo only.

Same calories, same routine, same everything.

6 weeks after your last shot, which one will give you more mass? And why?

It's user-dependent.

I agree with everything you have said, and i'm not out to prove you wrong.
But us old school guys didnt have access to primo,so our ultimate mass stack was Test,Deca Dbol. And it worked for the guys who were serious in their training.

I Have done both Schering Primo and Deca.And Deca gave me the best and biggest gains
Besides

Primo Isn't on that list and it's expensive, that was my choice as he has listed!

RADAR

 

[lookinfit75]

Yo Hayez are you on TRT now? I rememeber a while ago you were feeling too good.

 

[HAYEZ]

Yo Hayez are you on TRT now? I rememeber a while ago you were feeling too good.

not yet..i go in 2 weeks...pretty sure though that gonna get it...feel like shit pretty much all the time..def dont feel like i did 2-3 years ago..we will see what happens soon!

 

[the_alcatraz]

I actually agree with what Radar said in terms of the best mass gainer is the old school dbol / test / decca

However, I don't respond well to dbols so I switch with anadrols....and I prefer boldenone over decca....and the test has to be a long ester, cyp or enanthate

 

[theperfectdrug187]

Your 2nd option looks a lot better to me. I will personally never stack deca and tren at the same time again. My nips lit up like the 4th of July. And why kickstart with both test, tren, and dbol? Dbol kickstart to a deca/test e cycle, then cut it up with the tren and prop.

 

[lookinfit75]

not yet..i go in 2 weeks...pretty sure though that gonna get it...feel like shit pretty much all the time..def dont feel like i did 2-3 years ago..we will see what happens soon!

Damn bro, I hope you get to feelin better real soon. Did you ever get a chance to try Alpha Sustain?

 

[RADAR]

Why?

When it's all said and done, and your (not yours personally) estrogen and sodium-induced bloat has faded like a fart in the wind, what's left is lean mass.

Take a compound like primo. It adds nothing but lean mass. No water retention. Stack it with test and you'll have a cleaner, more efficient bulker than test/deca.

The only way you can prove me wrong is to talk from personal experience, which makes your basic assumption altogether false because compounds will work differently for different peeps.

Yes, I can blow up on dbol. But how much is lean mass? Who knows...until you're done you'll never know.

But with compounds such as primo, eq, winstrol and masteron you can see those slabs of muscle growing by the day without an extra sheet of water over them. For me, that is the best way to judge a compound...being able to see it's effects daily.

12 weeks of deca only vs. 12 weeks of primo only.

Same calories, same routine, same everything.

6 weeks after your last shot, which one will give you more mass? And why?



It's user-dependent.

Everyone has their own preferences, after thinking about this for awhile i have reached the conclusion the i was right, sure you will retain water, but you will be throwing 500 lbs like cake mix, add a proper diet and after all is said and done if you went by the book, primo may give lean quality muscle but huge weights make huge muscle, and i never achieved that with primo.
so i rest my case, besides we didn't have internet back then so it was all trial and error ,but 400mgs of deca will give you more mass than primo at 600mgs and it's cheaper, gains can be kept if PCT is spot on.

RADAR

 

[drsketch]

good debate in this thread. Thanks swole and radar for expressing your thoughts

 

[cobracock1979]

Things about dbol - stretches the inner fascia and allows muscles to grow BIGGER

 

[HAYEZ]

Damn bro, I hope you get to feelin better real soon. Did you ever get a chance to try Alpha Sustain?

ya i gave it a try.. i always do good pct.. just think im getting old and tired..lol..

 

[HAYEZ]

Your 2nd option looks a lot better to me. I will personally never stack deca and tren at the same time again. My nips lit up like the 4th of July. And why kickstart with both test, tren, and dbol? Dbol kickstart to a deca/test e cycle, then cut it up with the tren and prop.

ya my thoughts were taking advantage of the strength from the tren in the beginning and work that into the test/deca and hopefully have more to work with to put some good size on..

think just gonna stick to the test/deca/dbol then finish up with prop/tren...
who knows...got to think lol