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alien amp pharm said:
so true. used to be my favorite movie. it almost completely destroyed my life
One fatal flaw with Fight Club (IT subject)
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so true. used to be my favorite movie. it almost completely destroyed my life
the central themes of the movie were destruction of materialism, corporatism, and most of all, the feminisation of men in society.....
anyway, i believe credit card companies and banks keep their data in humungous fortified warehouses anyway.....they simply destroyed one of their office buildings, didn't spell the end of credit card companies....i don't think that was meant to be seen as tyler's last stop....
anyway, i believe credit card companies and banks keep their data in humungous fortified warehouses anyway.....they simply destroyed one of their office buildings, didn't spell the end of credit card companies....i don't think that was meant to be seen as tyler's last stop....
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Y_Lifter said:
Hahaha. Who said it was "new"?
I'm gonna have to put "I ain't gay" in my posts now.
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damn it would suck to be a nerd
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MasterBates said:
Yup I'm a nerd through and through. I like video games and science. I don't necessarily like IT stuff it's just that I work with it everday so I've grown accustomed to the shit. I don't care though. I have a former Hawaiian tropic as a fiance with our little starter house and that's all that matters
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i read the book too. i just finished a freudian critique of fight club.
read is here:
Societal Self Worth
Fight Club shows the alienation and struggle for the search for self, and the reliance on consumer products for that sense of self that is common in society. The men contained within the story literally fight each other in order that they can affirm their masculinity and in turn find a sense of self that has not been pre-chosen, shrink-wrapped and sold to them by a corporation. The main focus of the motion picture is on the narrator, Jack, who begins the film as an insomniac. As the film progresses we see that his personality has been split by the alienation that he suffers. His lack of a father figure, lack of interaction with others, systematic lifestyle, and his boring job have left him wanting to die in a plane crash. Jack is not a whole person; he represents a person’s ego that has let out his id unchecked. Tyler Durden portrays the id. As the movie continues Tyler leads both of them on a journey that is an exploration of Jack’s desires and of destruction. Tyler’s journey involves letting “that which does not matter, truly slide” (Fincher). The film climaxes with the narrator made stronger by the power that he has drawn from the id and in command of his destructive id. To explore certain notions of identity and self you must incorporate psychoanalytical concepts such as the ego, represented by Jack, the super-ego as Jack’s boss and the id portrayed as Tyler Durden because they are primary in the formation self/identity.
To Freud, the ego is the civilized part of consciousness. It is the resolution of the struggle between the super-ego and the id. “In the individual’s mental life someone else is invariably involved, as a model, as an object, as a helper, as an opponent” (Group Psychology, 1) said by Frued is how the outside world becomes our super-ego. Through socialization in one’s culture we learn the norms of that society. We learn what is acceptable and what is taboo or wrong. Those influences become the angel on our right shoulder telling what we should do. The ego is the part of the psyche that is modified so that one can interact safely with other people and remain accepted within the social group. It is important for identity formation that the group accepts the individual so, a controlled id is very important.
The narrator of Fight Club, due to his sleep deprivation, is barely aware of his surroundings and is ultimately alienated. His life is dreamlike which removes any connection to the real world. To connect with himself and the world he uses consumer goods to define him as a person and his relationship with other people. To him he is the yin-yang coffee table that he owns, he relates to his objects on a pseudo-sexual level and associates them with pornography. While Jack is in the bathroom he is holding a magazine and flipping through it. You would assume it was a porn magazine but you come to find out it is a furniture catalogue. He is alienated from the neurotic society that spawned him. His identity is lost within the constant consumerism that he does, but however adds to. In his sleep state he is aware of the situation that he is in. He sees that it is not just him that is half dreaming in this society. Along with him, he observes that many others have also “…become slaves to the IKEA nesting instinct.” (Fincher)
When he makes the observation that he is part of the IKEA nesting instinct it is perhaps the earliest stages of the narrator’s id coming to power. It is a realization of his flawed societal pressured life. Jack has managed to get himself a good job though living a controlled life. Therefore he displays that, until now, his ego was functioning well enough. It is only as he suffers sleep deprivation that his dream version id can start making such remarks. The narrator, following his ego is the perfect civilized worker bee. His id is contained, his desires are self-policed and restricted to what is offered and is acceptable to the greater society, namely, consumer goods. However, because he suffers physical symptoms that have an impact on his mental welfare (insomnia), the power of his ego becomes limited.
Tyler originally presents himself after the narrator’s period of sleep derivation. Freud sees dreams as the context where repressed desire is let loose, where the restrictions of a repressive society cease to exert their limiting power. In this place, what would be impossible for the real self, the dreaming self would have no difficulty with. The narrator is unable to release any libidinal desires through dreams as his neurotic insomnia has disallowed any natural sleep. Thus, he expressed these desires instead as Tyler Durden. According to Freud, “anything arising from within (apart form feelings) that seeks to become conscious must try to transform itself into external perceptions” (The Ego and the Id, 21). Jack’s id was repressed and wanted to get out. And Freud says the only way for the id to get out was to become an external entity, Tyler. Tyler is the full expression of the narrator’s id; he embodies everything that the narrator unconsciously wishes for, literally while the narrator is unconscious.
The film provides clear examples of Freudian psychoanalytic theory in terms of the ego and the id. This has been shown in expressions of the narrator/ego and Tyler/id illustrations. These illustrations work well enough in themselves however, what arises from this is a further analysis of the society that spawned such a neurotic identity that may feel the need to project such an imaginary friend in order that he can feel assured that his feelings and thoughts are not invalid. Through its ego/id/super-ego relationship Fight Club explores a certain malaise that society is feeling, if not expressing totally. The tale reveals itself not only as an exploration of the human psyche but also it reveals the type of society that creates the kind of individual that possesses such an out of shape reality.
read is here:
Societal Self Worth
Fight Club shows the alienation and struggle for the search for self, and the reliance on consumer products for that sense of self that is common in society. The men contained within the story literally fight each other in order that they can affirm their masculinity and in turn find a sense of self that has not been pre-chosen, shrink-wrapped and sold to them by a corporation. The main focus of the motion picture is on the narrator, Jack, who begins the film as an insomniac. As the film progresses we see that his personality has been split by the alienation that he suffers. His lack of a father figure, lack of interaction with others, systematic lifestyle, and his boring job have left him wanting to die in a plane crash. Jack is not a whole person; he represents a person’s ego that has let out his id unchecked. Tyler Durden portrays the id. As the movie continues Tyler leads both of them on a journey that is an exploration of Jack’s desires and of destruction. Tyler’s journey involves letting “that which does not matter, truly slide” (Fincher). The film climaxes with the narrator made stronger by the power that he has drawn from the id and in command of his destructive id. To explore certain notions of identity and self you must incorporate psychoanalytical concepts such as the ego, represented by Jack, the super-ego as Jack’s boss and the id portrayed as Tyler Durden because they are primary in the formation self/identity.
To Freud, the ego is the civilized part of consciousness. It is the resolution of the struggle between the super-ego and the id. “In the individual’s mental life someone else is invariably involved, as a model, as an object, as a helper, as an opponent” (Group Psychology, 1) said by Frued is how the outside world becomes our super-ego. Through socialization in one’s culture we learn the norms of that society. We learn what is acceptable and what is taboo or wrong. Those influences become the angel on our right shoulder telling what we should do. The ego is the part of the psyche that is modified so that one can interact safely with other people and remain accepted within the social group. It is important for identity formation that the group accepts the individual so, a controlled id is very important.
The narrator of Fight Club, due to his sleep deprivation, is barely aware of his surroundings and is ultimately alienated. His life is dreamlike which removes any connection to the real world. To connect with himself and the world he uses consumer goods to define him as a person and his relationship with other people. To him he is the yin-yang coffee table that he owns, he relates to his objects on a pseudo-sexual level and associates them with pornography. While Jack is in the bathroom he is holding a magazine and flipping through it. You would assume it was a porn magazine but you come to find out it is a furniture catalogue. He is alienated from the neurotic society that spawned him. His identity is lost within the constant consumerism that he does, but however adds to. In his sleep state he is aware of the situation that he is in. He sees that it is not just him that is half dreaming in this society. Along with him, he observes that many others have also “…become slaves to the IKEA nesting instinct.” (Fincher)
When he makes the observation that he is part of the IKEA nesting instinct it is perhaps the earliest stages of the narrator’s id coming to power. It is a realization of his flawed societal pressured life. Jack has managed to get himself a good job though living a controlled life. Therefore he displays that, until now, his ego was functioning well enough. It is only as he suffers sleep deprivation that his dream version id can start making such remarks. The narrator, following his ego is the perfect civilized worker bee. His id is contained, his desires are self-policed and restricted to what is offered and is acceptable to the greater society, namely, consumer goods. However, because he suffers physical symptoms that have an impact on his mental welfare (insomnia), the power of his ego becomes limited.
Tyler originally presents himself after the narrator’s period of sleep derivation. Freud sees dreams as the context where repressed desire is let loose, where the restrictions of a repressive society cease to exert their limiting power. In this place, what would be impossible for the real self, the dreaming self would have no difficulty with. The narrator is unable to release any libidinal desires through dreams as his neurotic insomnia has disallowed any natural sleep. Thus, he expressed these desires instead as Tyler Durden. According to Freud, “anything arising from within (apart form feelings) that seeks to become conscious must try to transform itself into external perceptions” (The Ego and the Id, 21). Jack’s id was repressed and wanted to get out. And Freud says the only way for the id to get out was to become an external entity, Tyler. Tyler is the full expression of the narrator’s id; he embodies everything that the narrator unconsciously wishes for, literally while the narrator is unconscious.
The film provides clear examples of Freudian psychoanalytic theory in terms of the ego and the id. This has been shown in expressions of the narrator/ego and Tyler/id illustrations. These illustrations work well enough in themselves however, what arises from this is a further analysis of the society that spawned such a neurotic identity that may feel the need to project such an imaginary friend in order that he can feel assured that his feelings and thoughts are not invalid. Through its ego/id/super-ego relationship Fight Club explores a certain malaise that society is feeling, if not expressing totally. The tale reveals itself not only as an exploration of the human psyche but also it reveals the type of society that creates the kind of individual that possesses such an out of shape reality.
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