Omitting an AI During a Cycle

[justinjones1963]

I'm getting ready to hit my next cycle and I have been thinking -

If I am going to run a cycle and I do not need to worry about gyno (I have had surgery) and I do not care about bloat, then why should I run an AI during a cycle?

My reasoning is if low estrogen levels can effect growth, and I do not care about bloat and gyno, why not just skip the AI until PCT?

I was going to run sus at 500mg/wk for 10 weeks and EQ 500mg/wk for 14 weeks and I am thinking of skipping AIFM until I am ready for PCT (and of course using the standard HCG/Clomid/AIFM or nolva PCT)

 

[get456]

nothing wrong with that logic...
if the bloat isnt out of control (heart issues/blood pressure) and other estrogen induced sides are minimal, then i would say ur good to go

i never used an AI when i was in college... no side effects i was that worried about , so no need really

 

[Ulter]

Your reason is wrong on several levels.
I'll just address the one you posted. The most an AI will cut your E levels is, on average, is 70%. That means you're going to still have a huge increase in the amount of estrogen in your blood using test and eq at 500mg. And oh BTW... lower E has nothing to do with your gains. But it does on your blood pressure, fat gain, blood sugar levels, and water retention. Okay so I addressed more than one.

 

[solidspine]

My reasoning is if low estrogen levels can effect growth, and I do not care about bloat and gyno, why not just skip the AI until PCT?

Excellent point. Another plus for surgery.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

you do need to worry about gyno. Just because you have had surgery does not mean that you can get gyno. Its nearly impossible to remove all the fibrous tendrils that spread out from gyno (which you will tend to have if it got to the point that a doctor would perform the surgery.)

at the very least run a low dose.

 

[ErikZ]

Is it possible to remove the gyno-indicing glands completely?
Before even running a cycle...
Just like it is possible to remove the apendix...

 

[NickyE3]

i wish i could get my tits done....lol
might have to talk to my doc bout that

 

[macrophage69alpha]

i wish i could get my tits done....lol
might have to talk to my doc bout that

give AIFM a try first. With light direct application (making sure to thoroughly exfoliate before each application and rub in thoroughly)

 

[justinjones1963]

Your reason is wrong on several levels.
I'll just address the one you posted. The most an AI will cut your E levels is, on average, is 70%. That means you're going to still have a huge increase in the amount of estrogen in your blood using test and eq at 500mg. And oh BTW... lower E has nothing to do with your gains. But it does on your blood pressure, fat gain, blood sugar levels, and water retention. Okay so I addressed more than one.

That was the answer I was looking for. Thanks.

I will most likely run AIFM at 1 squirt per day then and increase as necessary then.

 

[njmuscleguy]

why *wouldn't* you spend $39 to reap so many benfits? I can't think of any reason not to run AIFM (or any other AI for that matter)... and sorry to break it to ya, but there are those that have had gyno surgery over and over (and over)...

 

[southeastar]

on 1g test and 50mg D-bol i don't even get gyno and i do believe that lowering estrogens will also low gains.i know a top pro BB and he never uses them cause he believes that if you use test and then use a lot of shit to cover the sides like finasteride nolva and anti AI.YOU BETTER NOT USE TEST AT ALL.

 

[southeastar]

and im currently on 750mg test and 500mg tren without an anti E,getting killer gains and gettin very little water,i can still see my abs pretty well.obviously diet plays a very important role.

 

[justinjones1963]

and im currently on 750mg test and 500mg tren without an anti E,getting killer gains and gettin very little water,i can still see my abs pretty well.obviously diet plays a very important role.

I agree that diet is a big role. I eat very clean on and off which I believe is totally necessary.

 

[njmuscleguy]

and im currently on 750mg test and 500mg tren without an anti E,getting killer gains and gettin very little water,i can still see my abs pretty well.obviously diet plays a very important role.

and genetics.... not everyone is blessed like that... and there are countless people that are very sensitive to estrogen... sensitive to looking like a water balloon, and most important, sensitive to gyno. So not everyone might want to use it or need it, but an AI definitely has its place in cycling

 

[get456]

and genetics.... not everyone is blessed like that... and there are countless people that are very sensitive to estrogen... sensitive to looking like a water balloon, and most important, sensitive to gyno. So not everyone might want to use it or need it, but an AI definitely has its place in cycling

also very true....


single biggest factor in any supplement plan and your results

GENETICS
some people just respond better, have fewer sides and generally get better results... such is life

second factor

DIET

 

[macrophage69alpha]

on 1g test and 50mg D-bol i don't even get gyno and i do believe that lowering estrogens will also low gains.

you are lucky, and some people are, most people would get gyno from that cycle. You likely have very high DHT conversion and very low to low estrogen conversion.

people take AI's to make their hormonal system more like yours, properly done they can achieve the same ratios.