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Christianlifter

Christianlifter

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Hey Bros,
Im in the middle of a pretty good cycle, gained 15 lbs in 5 weeks. I just got off the abombs.
I started the winny(100 mg ttokkyo) tonight (I have never done winny before). I stacked it with sus 250 and 200mg of EQ. In the same pin. the winny sunk to the bottom (being water-based) and left lots of bubbles, I tried to get it to all mix. then when I did the shot, the pin jammed, I had to pull out, get through it, then stick it back in.
My question is should I inject the winny separately? Does it matter? are those bubbles no big deal? I tried to do a search and didnt find anything. Should I be shaking the winny vial?
Thanks, I know its probably pretty dumb, ever happen to anyone else?

God Bless
 
The bubbles might cause some additional soreness. Hear winny injectible is really thick. I'd make it a seperate injection or just drink it.
 
There seems to be mixed reviews on drinking winny. To me a cycle is just a big chemistry experiment. Make a hypothesis, test the hypothesis, and find a conclusion. Good luck to you.
 
thanks.

Did a search on drinking it..its been asked pretty frequently. Im gonna try that next time.
when you draw from the vial do you get it separated? (I did)
I guess I should shake it then right?
Thanks..much appreciated
 
Dude, do you really think that God thinks your roid use is okay...really, truthfully now. Yet he still takes us where we are and works with us.....YET, is that an excuse to knowingly harm the body....and please don't tell me that roids do not have any negative affect on the body.
This is not a flame brother..just curious as to you view.
 
Winstrol:This very popular anabolic steroid is a derivative of DHT. This drug is primarily used as a cutting up drug by males and females. It's promotes protein anabolism and it's low on androgen. Winstrol is chemically identical in both oral and injectable form, therefore you can drink the injectable version and get the same results as if you injected it. Fact not experiment
 
realgains, too much water can have negative sides for your body. God has just given us a chance to enhance our body by creatine steroids. This is no flame either. Just a believe in seperation in church and science. Any other views out there about this, would like to hear. It helps me expand my horizon.
 
alcohol in moderation is not condemned in the bible. we all know that drinking too much can be harmful to the body and cause problem. they same can be said with food. I feel that steroids taken in sane doses is no more harmful then anything else used in moderation.
 
powerhouse7 said:
alcohol in moderation is not condemned in the bible. we all know that drinking too much can be harmful to the body and cause problem. they same can be said with food. I feel that steroids taken in sane doses is no more harmful then anything else used in moderation.
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Agreed....moderation is the key...as long as what you do doesn't cause harm to you or anyone else, OR distract you from your destiny, then it is ok to endulge yourself in that endevour. In this case, the controversy stems from steroids potential to cause harm to the individual, which could potentially be paralyzing.


Hey ChristianLifter,
Glad to see another Christian on the board.....
and God bless you too.


oh, and to answer your question, either drink the winny or shoot it by itself. I've heard of people mixing oil and water based roids to inject, but this is not a good idea, as you are now finding out.
 
Hulk101 said:
How the hell did God get brought into this post?
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realgains brought it up in his question if God thinks roid use is ok, which I say NO, in most cases, as many go overboard with there steroid use. If your not carefull, it's easy to get caught up in this life and ignore all the other prospects that lay in your future.
 
Powerhouse7

Moderate alcohol consumption and moderate roid use is not the same dude. Moderate alcohol use does not harm you. In fact moderate red wine use lowers cholesterol. People in bible times drank only mild wines and beer and those who walked with God avoided drunkenness. Wine was often safer than the water in those days too.

It is a fact my friend that MODERATE roid use has positive affects but ALSO negative negative affects on the body, but we take them because we are vain and love the strength they give us.

You, and many others(not all) have been deceived into thinking that moderate roid use does not have ANY negative impact upon the body.....Tell me dude.... really now.....is the shutting down of natural test production for months a good thing, is the increase in blood pressure that we ALL GET to some degree a good thing, are the high levels of DHT and estrogen a good thing...come on now bro. Take the drugs but please don't say they are good for you. Be smart and do what you can to reduce the harmful aspects but don't be deceived.

God does not approve of anything that harms the body.
God does not approve of vanity.
God does not want us to draw attention us ourselves.
God wants us to lift naturally BUT we don't want to now, and that includes me. But right is right and wrong is wrong. Roid use is not a "grey area" dude not in the eyes of the Almighty.
A real believer will know this in his heart and will some day reject the juice.
 
Realgains said:
Powerhouse7

Moderate alcohol consumption and moderate roid use is not the same dude. Moderate alcohol use does not harm you. In fact moderate red wine use lowers cholesterol. People in bible times drank only mild wines and beer and those who walked with God avoided drunkenness. Wine was often safer than the water in those days too.

It is a fact my friend that MODERATE roid use has positive affects but ALSO negative negative affects on the body, but we take them because we are vain and love the strength they give us.

You, and many others(not all) have been deceived into thinking that moderate roid use does not have ANY negative impact upon the body.....Tell me dude.... really now.....is the shutting down of natural test production for months a good thing, is the increase in blood pressure that we ALL GET to some degree a good thing, are the high levels of DHT and estrogen a good thing...come on now bro. Take the drugs but please don't say they are good for you. Be smart and do what you can to reduce the harmful aspects but don't be deceived.

God does not approve of anything that harms the body.
God does not approve of vanity.
God does not want us to draw attention us ourselves.
God wants us to lift naturally BUT we don't want to now, and that includes me. But right is right and wrong is wrong. Roid use is not a "grey area" dude not in the eyes of the Almighty.
A real believer will know this in his heart and will some day reject the juice.
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Realgains,
I agree with you my friend, except on one point. Nothing in life is as black and white as you put it. Many things harm the body. Drinking, even a very little bit, can cause some degree of harm on the body. Hell, even eating certain foods causes some level of harm. I think the real question is, at what point does the harm interfer with God's will for you. I'm not trying to defend the use of steroids here, as it is obvious that roids can cause serious harm to the body. And not only physical harm, but can change your mentality and distract you from the true things in life, which is why I believe it is wrong for most people to use. Obviously it is ok for some to use for, lets say, physcial rehab after surgery for example, or aids patients, etc.

Though I am not one to practice what I preach in this instance. One day though, I will grow out of this phase, which is really all it is. Those who say it is their life have their priorities in the wrong order.
 
Audio8.... I agree with much of what you say bro, and yes Roids as a medicine is okay for sure, BUT you say nothing is black or white?? Many many things are black and white dude....that "nothing is black or white saying is "of the world" dude, mans created idea...and it is bull.
Brother, we must face the fact that Roid use is wrong in the sight of God, except for medicinal reasons of course.
I know you know this to be true. Some day we will meet together by "the river" and say, vanity....it was pure vanity.
 
Strange how a post can develop from a discussion about shooting winny into a theology lesson.

You guys light a candle for me and my gains.

God forgives all his children so who cares.
 
powerhouse7 said:
alcohol in moderation is not condemned in the bible. we all know that drinking too much can be harmful to the body and cause problem. they same can be said with food. I feel that steroids taken in sane doses is no more harmful then anything else used in moderation.
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Oh how we like to kid ourselves!

I guess this mythical creature called god might be a bit anti-steroids...?!

Or maybe Jesus took dbol.. I mean it's been round fucking long enough! It may have even been helpful to his carrying of a heavy cross.

It's tuesday, and I feel the need to ruffle some feathers.....
 
Seein' as everybody here is very aware of the chemical and physical make up of their bodies especially the skeletal frame and it's musclature is nobody else of the opinion that we, along with the rest of the animal world were not designed but are the result of millions of years of evolution? So I'm sorry to all the christian Bro's here but as science advances it seems to disprove the readings of the bible which is why most of the world's leading scientists are non-believers especially the geneticists who tend to pour scorn on the theory of Adam and Eve!!!
 
Talking of adam and eve, I think we have a small case of incest, who exactly did their kiddies procreate with apart from mum and dad or each other. tut tut tut.
 
drink the winny.....and leave God out of it....

Sin is simply the lack of moderation.......If you are neglecting other responsibilities such as family to purchase your gear....yeah, He's probably not pleased with you.

I had problems every time trying to inject the winny....so I drank it...works great....one less pin hole in your body.
 
G-Force....God's ok....He's doing fine.....

I know because I spoke with Him this morning.
 
Realgains-
When you start preaching that everything is black and white in the eyes of GOD it just makes you sound like some church of christ freak (or some other christian cult). AS are wrong and right in so many different situations. Do you live your life for GOD or AS. Many people are into bodybuilding because it's an art form and they may or may not have vain in their heart. You're really giving bodybuilders a bad name. Not all of us take AS because we have vain in our hearts. Maybe this is just an art form that a lot of us are good at. I see nothing wrong with that. Maybe GOD wants some of us to use our good genetics to be role models to people who are unfit. You sound just like the general public that think us bodybuilders are a bunch of vain a**holes. I dont agree.:angel:
 
Dude,
Shake that winny bottle like you are a teenager spanking his monkey. Then draw up fast and drink. Pull the pin before shooting into your mouth.
I use winny when cutting for shows. I get rock hard.
 
Realgains said:

I know you know this to be true. Some day we will meet together by "the river" and say, vanity....it was pure vanity.
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Yep, and about 99% of people use it for that reason.
 
G-Force said:
Seein' as everybody here is very aware of the chemical and physical make up of their bodies especially the skeletal frame and it's musclature is nobody else of the opinion that we, along with the rest of the animal world were not designed but are the result of millions of years of evolution? So I'm sorry to all the christian Bro's here but as science advances it seems to disprove the readings of the bible which is why most of the world's leading scientists are non-believers especially the geneticists who tend to pour scorn on the theory of Adam and Eve!!!
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Many people like to take the bible literaly, and as a result, they end up with holes--more questions to answers they don't know. As a result, many turn to science to explain themselves, as it is a more tangible and believable explaination to many things. This is where faith comes in my friend. To have faith is to believe with all your body mind and soul, what science cannot prove. Why can't you believe in creationism and evolution at the same time? Just because the bible says the earth was created in 7 days, doesn't mean that it was 7 days as we know it to be. It could have been millions of years for all we know. The very concept of "days" didn't even exist at that point. The bible should not be dissected down to the point where all meaning is lost. It's a tool. Not a means to an end.


PS. Sorry for getting off topic here. I love talking theology. :)
 
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The christians that I know even refuse to believe that the world is more than 6000yrs old and because I am always debating the credibilty of the bible one of them gave me a book called "The Answers" which tries to give answers to the inconsistencies between what the bible teaches and current scientific beliefs and FACTS!!!
IMO this just puts christianity in a worse light cos it tries to discredit theories that are substantiated with overwhelming proof and even more conclusively, are widely accepted by the scientific community because there is nothing scientists love to do more than debunk each others theories!!!
 
have you ever seen it when it rains and the rain stays on top of the oil slicks, thats exactly what water vs. oil does,, never mix the two due to the fact that you may get a abcess
 
G-Force said:
The christians that I know even refuse to believe that the world is more than 6000yrs old and because I am always debating the credibilty of the bible one of them gave me a book called "The Answers" which tries to give answers to the inconsistencies between what the bible teaches and current scientific beliefs and FACTS!!!
IMO this just puts christianity in a worse light cos it tries to discredit theories that are substantiated with overwhelming proof and even more conclusively, are widely accepted by the scientific community because there is nothing scientists love to do more than debunk each others theories!!!
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Yes. There are a lot of religious folks out there (Christian or not) that are so caught up in their religion, that they narrow their focus, and almost instinctively rebuke anything that may counter what their religion says. I've had very long and cyclic debates with these people only to end up at the same point we started.

Yes, it's true, if you logically piece together the time frames in the bible, it would suggest that the earth is about 6,000 years old. But like I said before, the bible is by no means "logical". The real substance is not in the individual words, but in the ideas and morals portrayed through it's stories.
 
Well I totally agree with you on that one Bro it seems we're back to that word moderation again..... a strong belief in any religion or discipline, such as BBing can give strength and focus but when taken to extremes by fanatics it causes all sorts of problems!
 
then again isnt that why we love this country you can belong to whichever religion, cult, or anything else, however narrow minded, obsessive, or crazy that might be that is our right. you can even drink or inject you winny. just dont get caught.
 
I am heathen or agnostic.. whatever...

My girlfriend is Hindu............ That is her perogative and I do not denounce or criticize her faith...

Personally I think religion is a pile of shite that causes far too many problems (look at the Taliban for fucks sake)...

If god were 'just' why would he let humans suffer such pain? If god were intelligent, why would he create such confusion regarding his existence - by not showing up for 2000 years (and did he ever really show himself then!!??)

It's a pile of crap. God is not love. God is crap.

But us humans seem to need religion.. we are so very insecure and questioning...
 
Gary you hit the nail on the head with religion, I do think there is something out there that we don't know about, but religion was brought about to control the masses, to brainwash them (seems a very successful process). Also it seems rather incongruous that the church has so much wealth and there are so many starving, ill and homeless. Surely every man of the cloth should give his all to his fellow man, no fancy robes, gold crosses, massive churches, rings, urns etc.
 
Realgains said:



God does not approve of anything that harms the body.
God does not approve of vanity.
God does not want us to draw attention us ourselves.
God wants us to lift naturally BUT we don't want to now, and that includes me.
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How do you know what does God approve and what not? Did he talk to you? Don't think so

"God wants us to lift naturally" what a fuckin bullshit you're talkin ! Now don't tell me you read that in the bible....
 
I shall smoke weed. I shall take the odd course of roids. Fuck god. Fuck Jesus. Fuck Gnesh the elephant god. Fuck Allah. What ridiculous creatures we are to believe in something unproven, unseen, and based on written words written by superstitous humans.....
 
If god were 'just' why would he let humans suffer such pain?
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Everyone gets his in the end. What happens along the way is the true challenge. Pain represents many things. It could be a test of faith. Who knows. We humans tend to equate pain with "bad", but all pain really is, is a part of life...and it's up to us to figure out how to turn our so called "disadvantage" into an advantage...learn from it, to become a greater person than we used to be. Without pain, we would never grow.

If god were intelligent, why would he create such confusion regarding his existence - by not showing up for 2000 years (and did he ever really show himself then!!??)
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A couple things here. We have free will to do as we please, so God didn't "create" the confusion. We did. If God made His existence so obvious, then we would have absolutely no reason not to follow Him, right? Wrong. Because there will always be people who deny even what their eyes and heart tell them. It's inevitable. It happened 2,000 years ago, and it will happen again. It's all a part of the struggle of life I suppose.
 
Audio8 remember

"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first" Jesus

"They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you"

And for us all to ponder....

"For since the ceation of the world Gods invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature- have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.....Although they claim to be wise , they became fools"

"Mans wisdom is foolishness to God"
 
Heffe,
People back then believed the world was flat because that was what they were told. It was the norm that society instilled in them, and thus there was no reason to question it. Religion is more half-and-half I suppose. Many believe, and many don't. Thus, you are forced to be actively agnostic (all that really means is too question everything), to find your own answer for yourself. There is extensive soul-searching involved, much more than trying to decide if the world is flat or not.

Realgains,
all wonderful quotes. The long one completely backs up my earlier statements. how nice :)

Where did you find those by the way?
 
Gary- bro you really dont need to be so disrespectful in the above statements. You have the right to believe the way that you do, I respect that. do I personally agree with it? no but thats only my opionion. even though I dont agree I wouldnt curse or insult your religion or god. Not a flame just saying we should have respect for each other and other religions even if we dont personally agree with it.
 
God gave us all brains to make descisions for ourselves. Live life as you want to and according to life situations, not by a book. Do you wanna be the Shepheard or the sheep? God cant help us with what we want on Earth now, so we need to decide whats in our best interests, and if there is some vanity involved, so be it. I lived a few years of my life discusted with myself and dying to look better. Living a live of low self esteem and high self consciousness is not fun and i dont beleive anyone should have to do it. We live once, so we better make it the best for us, whatever that entails.
 
There is no point in getting into this, there are the brainwashed who cannot think for themselves and will defend their religion and those who can think for themselves and see what is real and what is not.

I love the way the various bible bashers use the old chestnut - god moves in mysterious ways when we question why there is pain and suffering - it is a test of faith, what a power trip their god must be on, would you torture your children to test their love? Nope. And before you bible wavers start, yes if there is an omnipotent being, what goes on in the here and now is tantamount to torture.

Still this a waste of space as you are blind, unquestioning, brainwashed zealots.
 
Lord of the Pit said:
There is no point in getting into this, there are the brainwashed who cannot think for themselves and will defend their religion and those who can think for themselves and see what is real and what is not.

I love the way the various bible bashers use the old chestnut - god moves in mysterious ways when we question why there is pain and suffering - it is a test of faith, what a power trip their god must be on, would you torture your children to test their love? Nope. And before you bible wavers start, yes if there is an omnipotent being, what goes on in the here and now is tantamount to torture.

Still this a waste of space as you are blind, unquestioning, brainwashed zealots.
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Yes I agree. However I can also feel slightly envious of those that have faith... the comfort they derive from their trust and belief in an omnipotent god.
 
I love the way the various bible bashers use the old chestnut - god moves in mysterious ways when we question why there is pain and suffering - it is a test of faith, what a power trip their god must be on, would you torture your children to test their love?
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Like I suggested before, without pain, we cannot grow. I like to view life as a progression, in the sense that we want to ultimately be the greatest we can be before we die, physically, mentally, and spiritually. Pain is simply another emotion that we bring upon ourselves to help us cope with a situation. We create it, we inflict it, and we must overcome it.

Still this a waste of space as you are blind, unquestioning, brainwashed zealots.
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You can make your point without resorting to insults.
 
A couple of thoughts...

I believe this board should be about AS not our beliefs. But that said I have recieved a lot of IM's (from other boards as well) and would like to clear the air.
I am a Christian. I use AS. I dont think there is anything biblically wrong with it. I do not abuse them. If you drink too much soda you could get sick, if you dont eat right you are opening up yourself to possible disease, sickness etc. if you put salt or sugar on your food etc.etc. I think as someone mentioned the key is moderation. I use AS to build my body in what I believe is a healthy way.
I dont believe I am any better than anybody else. Im a sinner just like you. Im a hypocrite just like you (though Im working on it, really). The only difference is I have accepted the free gift of grace. I have a lot of friends that are bodybuilders and they ask questions and I am able to share my beliefs.
For those who say "Fuck God" thats OK for you. Its your god-given decision to reject him. Isnt it great? He didnt create robots, he gave us free will. I respect your decision, though I will pray that you see the light.
For those who ask the age-old question "Why is the world so messed up if there is a God? Good question. He gave us free will to make our own choices...look what man has done with that! The truth is God is sovereign and in control. What you need to know is that Satan is the god of this world, for now, until Jesus returns, which will be soon, very soon.
Lastly, a comment about science disproving the Bible. My friend it is far from the truth, science keeps changing their mind, the more new information that comes out, the more evidence comes closer and closer to the biblical perspective. See this month Readers Digest (not a christian book by any means) about how science has discovered evidence that our bodies are "hard-wired" for God.
As for the theory of evolution..BTW it IS a theory...it takes much more faith to believe in that, than it does to believe in Jesus Christ. So if you believe it.. although I disagree, I admire your faith, its much stronger than mine.

God Bless All,

CL
 
Christian Lifter,

I was going to post almost exactly what you commented in your last post. God gave us free will to make us all the more empowered once we have accepted His grace. Do not say that God is responsible for evil. He is the only perfect Good. Satan and our sin are responsible for evil.
 
Lol@ this entire thread.

Bodybuilding is pure vanity. Weight lifting for improved health is not. Last time I checked, vanity was a serious sin.

Have most of you read the Bible? I know I have. All of the new testament, and the first two books of the old Testament as well as some bit and pieces. The entire book is full of contradictions. Even the Gospel is full of contradictions in how Jesus really died.

Eveything is a sin! Off the top of my head (I don't have it in font of me): Leviticus 19:21, homosexuality is a detestable act and punishable by death. Cross-dressing is also punishable by death. Now, I'm not a fag, but come on!

Jesus was a real hardass according to the Bible(Check Matthew 5:13-27), and everyone tries to give him this image of caring and understanding. Bullshit! If you commited the act of aldultery in your heart,(If you even though about another women) you are guilty in the eyes of the Lord. If you look at another women with lust in your heart, scoop your good eye out. At least you will still make it to heaven.

I beleive that Jesus really was a great man who was attempting to take over the Land from the occuping Roman Empire.

Btw, a religious person is a very ARROGANT person. They beleive that they have the answers and accordingly, everyone else is doomed. What Bullshit...
 
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Re: A couple of thoughts...

ChristianLifter said:
1 - A comment about science disproving the Bible. My friend it is far from the truth, science keeps changing their mind, the more new information that comes out, the more evidence comes closer and closer to the biblical perspective.
2 - See this month Readers Digest (not a christian book by any means) about how science has discovered evidence that our bodies are "hard-wired" for God.
3 - As for the theory of evolution..BTW it IS a theory...it takes much more faith to believe in that, than it does to believe in Jesus Christ.
CL
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Would you care to give your reasoning behind statements 1 and 3??? and could you also explain to me what the RD article was about cos I've looked up this month's [UK] edition and I could not find it!
 
blown93302 said:
u can just drink the winny if you want, same thing as injecting
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:confused: i don't understand. how can drinking and injecting be the same? if that where the case wouldn't ypu be able to drink all injectables.
Or are you saying that you can drink because it is a water base AS.
 
God gave us the ability to decide what we want to do... The bible is made up from people who decided to took massive amounts of hallucinogens :)


But on the winny

I had great results with the same winny by drinking 50MGS twice a day. Next time I will only use 25mgs three times a day--
 
Realgains said:
Dude, do you really think that God thinks your roid use is okay...really, truthfully now. Yet he still takes us where we are and works with us.....YET, is that an excuse to knowingly harm the body....and please don't tell me that roids do not have any negative affect on the body.
This is not a flame brother..just curious as to you view.
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God made roids, God made cocaine, God made marijuana, god made poppies. There is a practical and safe application for all of these things if done in moderation. It is the abusers that give them a bad name.
 
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God made roids, God made cocaine, God made marijuana, god made poppies. There is a practical and safe application for all of these things if done in moderation. It is the abusers that give them a bad name.
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I agree 100%---

And you can bet the house that some of the people that threw the bible together were abusers of some types of drugs... As were the indians...
 
-as far as right and wrong, there is absolutes, and gear is wrong. i hope God forgives me.

-science is as much faith based as religion. a theory is a "widely accepted hypothesis" - websters' new college dictionary 2000 - a hypothesis is a statement that has not been disproven. so if i say the earth is 1 million years old, you have to disprove this for my hypothesis to be wrong, and you can't. but it can't be proven that the earth is not 6 thousand years old either. carbon testing is crap, it is a theory and is not accurate at all, i know this, my father is a benthic scientist who has to use carbon testing and has explained to me what a joke this is. so the schoolbooks present most science as fact, and you the ignorant people except it, when most of science is as much faithbased as religion.

-Jesus was an actual living person, his crucifiction and death is documented in roman records, just for peoples who don't think he ever existed.
 
one more thing for the people who believe the earth came about randomly, like from a big bang or something. if you believe this, then here is the theory you are buying into:

if i had an infinite number of stoves turned on high, with an infinite number of pots of water on them, one of them will not boil. that one would be the earth. how many more planets and solar systems are there, which would each be a pot of water that didn't boil. but this can not happen scientifically, just as there is no scientific explaination as to how the earth got here. there are theories, but they are no more fact based than christianity. if you believe they are, then you are a sheep. therefore is it not possible to believe something greater than us interfered. if this is all random, then it is so inconcievable that in my mind there is no posssibility of our world existing. every creature, no every atom in the history of everything would be the equivelant of one of the pots. just isnt going to happen.
 
Those that hung around with god did not lift weights, Why do yuo.Correction Jesus ,They are both the same you know wright. I don't see anywhere Thou should not do AAs. He is not here to ask ,mind your buissnes. Don't give me shit either,case closed.
 
for all those who are still asking, YES YOU CAN DRINK WINNY. It makes not difference how you take it. :)

Now then...continue please...
 
Cranium Man said:
Those that hung around with god did not lift weights, Why do yuo.Correction Jesus ,They are both the same you know wright. I don't see anywhere Thou should not do AAs. He is not here to ask ,mind your buissnes. Don't give me shit either,case closed.
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I really don't understand what you just said but jesus did have his hand in some chemicals. I believe that he used DNP and T3---alternated with the ECA stack and clen. But his whole problem was he didn't take and gear so he wasted away to almost nothing. His protein intake was also very low and the chemicals that I mentioned above just eat his muscle away.
 
To Big Rich and Hero Winny injectible is chemically identicle to the oral in fact it is just the oral form in suspension to facilitate it's administration to livestock and the fact that it's 17AA means that regardless of how it's administered it has to pass through the liver to be metabolised!
Most people who try drinking never go back to injecting because they got exactly the same results or better [there has been evidence to suggest that Winny is more efficiently absorbed through the G.I. tract than through muscle] by drinking and you also save your ass from becoming a daily pin cushion by only injecting that which must be injected!
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Infernolost, forget RCD what about the overwhelming geological evidence from ice samples from thousands of feet into the ice caps, rock strata and erosion, do you think that Mount Everest was formed over a couple of thousand years are you aware that it's still growing a few inches every year, what about continental drift do you suggest that from almost certainly being one land mass that they moved to form the globe as we know it today over a few thousand years???
If you don't believe in the big bang could you also give us your theory on the presence of microwaves and why the universe is expanding!
 
Bar Room Hero said:
I was joking, but thanks for the info on the Winny. I was trying to break up this philosophical rant that will go nowhere.
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Oh, gotcha. Didn't perceive the banter of sarcasim...lousy textual communication. It will be the downfall of us all I tell you!. not really. I'm just pumped up with hypernormal calorie and test levels. bwahahaha!


anyways...nice elaboration on the ideosyncratic properties of winny G-force...


...and on a more serious side note, Jesus was a carpenter..thus he was in fact a strong man, spiritually, mentally, AND physcially. :)


ok, one more thing. I've got something for all yall to think about. If God created us, who created God? I figured out the answer to this, but I'd like to hear what you guys have to say before I submit you to a predispotioned thought.
 
TTOKKYO winny (100mg) is very thick and can jam pins on its own. I wouldnt use anything smaller than a 22g.
You CAN mix oil with water based but its a pain in the ass and not worth the hassle. If worse comes to worse drink the winny with gelcaps or whatever-you will gain just as much.
 
The farther back you go into Human history, the more superstitious we were - remember we used to think that thunder and lightning was [a] God displaying his anger! So to answer your question...... WE CREATED GOD!!!
 
Audio8 said:




ok, one more thing. I've got something for all yall to think about. If God created us, who created God? I figured out the answer to this, but I'd like to hear what you guys have to say before I submit you to a predispotioned thought.
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We were created by people from another planet which just so happens to be ourselves from the future.

Everything we come across is relavent and simple. Its just the emptiness in our own heads that try to complicate things. This life is an illusion that does not exist. How do I know that? Because of death----we are humans and animals that are afraid of death. How can we be afraid of something that is sure to happen. That there is no fighting. Answer---death does not exist---and thats what scares us. We are so afraid of what will happen to us when we are "dead" like it is all or nothing right here and now. This life we are leading here is nothing but a shame---and the sad part is we created it ourselves. You are your own God--we each have more power then anything that could ever create such a mess. And I will go as to far as to say that if there really is a creator that made "US" and everything we know, then that thing has way to much time on there hands and needs to find a day job because its imagination is outright silly. Earth itself is a bore from the begining till now--BORING!!
 
infernolost said:
i want to know who created God audio, i'm curious???
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Well I thought about this a bit and arrived to a conclusion that made sense to me. Basically, the simple answer to this, is that God was never "created" per say...We humans see life in a linear timeline with a finite existense of our physical bodies. I believe that our creator is existing on a completely different level. See, in order to be created, you need a beginning. And if there's a beginning, there must be an end. And since time is not something that limits Him (this assumption being the foundation of my arguement), he is thus infintely existing.

And do you know WHY He created us? I have a few thoughts on this one, one of which, is that He was simply lonely :)...Now I know your thinking, what a cop out answer that is, but why not, right? I mean, why does the answer to our existense have to be so complicated in order to it to make sense or sit well with us.

My other idea of why we were created is another simple one: One of His parts (I believe God is made up parts..us being one of them) wanted to experience forgiveness. And in order to experience forgiveness you need to commit a sin. Thus, sin was created....Just a thought.

But anyway..i'm getting off on a tanget now, so I will spare you guys.
"now talk amongst yaselves" :)
 
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G-Force said:
The farther back you go into Human history, the more superstitious we were - remember we used to think that thunder and lightning was [a] God displaying his anger! So to answer your question...... WE CREATED GOD!!!
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Yes. Very good point bro. We created the CONCEPT of God, which has changed over much time as science continues to evolve. But I think that science can go only so far. It's limited by our consciousness, and thus will never be able to explain any more than we can consciously comprehend.
 
audio, very interesting. i think heavan and hell are very physical places, something like what we experience on earth, with heaven being total joy and hell being total dispair. i guess will find out one day!!!
 
infernolost said:
audio, very interesting. i think heavan and hell are very physical places, something like what we experience on earth, with heaven being total joy and hell being total dispair. i guess will find out one day!!!
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I completely agree with you bro! Ever heard of pergatory? (know i mangled the spelling)....various levels of living in between the two extremities, heaven and hell. Well, this life on earth is no different in my opinion. We can either progress or regress. It's up to us to decide which way to go.
 
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