Observation about this board and GH

[muffinmaker]

satchboogie was lame, banned from many boards for good reasons.

a BOARD VET is different from a REAL LIFE steroid VET

I didnt even know there were steroid boards until This year

I thought a board was a blog and i still dont know what a blog is,

theres always going to be kick backs bro, get with it

why do you think all the Fuckin stealth and balkan threads never get closed

go figure

I think ur a little confused, what exactly do I need to "get with".

He was banned for scamming, but thnx for the info

Balkan and stealth were exactly what I was reffering to

 

[BigJarHead13]

If used correctly and mot abused,,,human growth hormone - somatropin - is a very effective drug for many reasons....anti aging,,,fat loss.,,better mood,,improved skin,,,etc...

How about positive effects on collagen synthesis, esp to counter the negative effects of Test on collagen synthesis. This is more what I was going to use it for, and I was going to do 2.5 IU's 3x a week. I read that Charlie Francis had Ben Johnson and other olympic sprinters following that protocol.

 

[mattdan]

Hmmm, I wonder if I'm one of the people you're talking about.

I am NOT negative on G H. Yes, I've used quite a bit of it and will probably go on h r t level doses when I reach the appropriate age.

What I HAVE said several times is G H is grossly overpiced for the results. If you have a ton of spare $$$, or want to go pro, or have aids, go for it.

My only point is, and I stand by it firmly, is that GH is VERY expensive for the gains recieved. For pros looking for that extra edge, OR for professional atheletes that will get tested (G H as of now is NOT detectable in any drug tests.) It may be a good idea. If you're a pro football player what's a few grand to get that extra edge?? In that case, it's a damned sound investment.

My other problem with GH is long term high doses will give you what is commonly known as "GH Gut", which I'm sure you know about.

So I'm not anti GH, it's just for the average Joe, you can get MUCH better results for a fraction of the $$ using sensible cycles combined with good diet and hard work. For the average Joe wanting to impress the babes on the beach, There is just no justification for the cost IMHO.

Good luck.

 

[BigJarHead13]

Hmmm, I wonder if I'm one of the people you're talking about.

I am NOT negative on G H. Yes, I've used quite a bit of it and will probably go on h r t level doses when I reach the appropriate age.

What I HAVE said several times is G H is grossly overpiced for the results. If you have a ton of spare $$$, or want to go pro, or have aids, go for it.

My only point is, and I stand by it firmly, is that gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - - growth hormone (somatropin) - is VERY expensive for the gains recieved. For pros looking for that extra edge, OR for professional atheletes that will get tested (G H as of now is NOT detectable in any drug tests.) It may be a good idea. If you're a pro football player what's a few grand to get that extra edge?? In that case, it's a damned sound investment.

My other problem with GH is long term high doses will give you what is commonly known as "GH Gut", which I'm sure you know about.

So I'm not anti GH, it's just for the average Joe, you can get MUCH better results for a fraction of the $$ using sensible cycles combined with good diet and hard work. For the average Joe wanting to impress the babes on the beach, There is just no justification for the cost IMHO.

Good luck.

Yeah I totally agree with you on the cost effectiveness of GH being shitty for your average joe. It wasn't that expensive for me about 3 weeks ago (as little as 1.60$ per IU from my former source) but now who knows! I am a competitive athlete, and I was looking more for gains in collagen synthesis, and I wouldn't even be using more than 8 IU's a week, so I think I would avoid any risk of GH gut.

Now you may ask why not Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , or Anavar - oxandrolone - ? Well I will use Var, Deca stays in the system too long and i get tested and it's too hard on the nuts, and I used EQ at 600mg/wk for 10 weeks and didn't see anything from it.

 

[goin on 4T]

There not something to be messed with, especially IGF. human growth hormone - somatropin - can be expensive when compared to anabolic androgenic steroids and the perceived/actual benefits but it's all a matter or personal opinion and ones own experiences.

Well I have a little problem with your missunderstanding of IGF! Not something to be messed with? Are you kidding me. I am more worried about true AAS than I am ever worried about IGF. And yes I have done IGF. It was awesome! Unfucking believable the results that I had! Especially mixed with GH. The gains don't just dissapear and you don't need PCT for it. If added to your AAS PCT the results would be mind-numbing! So what are your percieved risks associated with IGF?
HGH expensive compared to AAS? What does the cost of a 12 week cycle of test + EQ + Winny + Primo (or what ever your cycle choice is)? Then you have your PCT to pay for? And if you are a really smart guy you will have shelled out a couple of bucks for blood tests before you started and after your PCT so you can be sure you didn't F-yourself up!
GH is what it is and does what it does if taken correctly. The problem is that there has been such a hype made over it that people have been making a living at selling fake GH + those who don't do research and not use the correct dosages. The only caviat I have known of is age the older the more benefits you receive. And to for those young the 3x/week @ 10IU's per only makes sense.
JMHO

 

[mattdan]

goin on 4 t -

Your cost comparison is flawed. Are you honestly saying that you have to take a mega cycle like that to beat the gains of GH? You gotta be kidding me.

A very LIGHT cycle of test and winny done for a few weeks would BLOW AWAY any cycle of GH done for an extended period at any level. Fat loss, strenght gains, musle gain, etc.

 

[Zuperman]

I am a seasoned vet and I have only used Growth, no IGF or anything yet...

there are a few of us who enjoy peptides here

myself i have no use, anabolic androgenic steroids is still providing extreme gains for me,

when that disappates i shall turn to some peptides

Your a vet?? a seasonad one?

 

[access]

Well I have a little problem with your missunderstanding of IGF! Not something to be messed with? Are you kidding me. I am more worried about true anabolic androgenic steroids than I am ever worried about IGF. And yes I have done IGF. It was awesome! Unfucking believable the results that I had! Especially mixed with gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - . The gains don't just dissapear and you don't need PCT - post cycle therapy - for it. If added to your AAS PCT the results would be mind-numbing! So what are your percieved risks associated with IGF?

I'm a little surprised by your comments here as I have read several of your repsones to threads on HGH etc and found you to be on the money more often than not but for you to state that there are not risks associated with IGF is a little scary.

Firstly let me reiterate that I also love IGF. On cycle/off cycle/PCT it has something to offer for everyone and I have only had positive results myself. I have run in combo with AAS/PegMGF and HGH.

The main problem I see with IGF is overdosing and timing of dosing for the same reasons. If you do not run IGF immediately PWO your asking for trouble. If you run more than 50mcg each injection your asking for trouble. I have read threads were people are running this at all differing times and doseages upwards of 100mcgs. This is just insane and unlike doesages of AAS were we can experiment with how much we inject I would state that IGF is something we cannot do this with.

IGF receptors are at their best state to accept IGF when a muscle is stressed from heavy resistance exercise. There is some debate as to exactly how long this upregulation lasts but seems to be accepted that in the vicinty of 60 minutes is when the receptors return to normal states. Now the body produces very little IGF naturally so if pinning in excess of 50mcgs your going to be growing something other than your muscles. Primary target is the intestines as it has the maximum number of receptors in the body. IGF is systemmic so will float around your body looking to attach to whatever it can. This is why we pin immediately PWO and no more than 50mcgs. I am sure the last thing anyone wants is the GH gut but this will happen with IGF quite quickly if your not careful with your dosing for the reasons I have oultined above.

 

[SpyWizard]

i love it as well.. but i'm 46 and stay around 12% bf at 5'9" 210 lbs...

so it depends on your expected results more than anything..

 

[goin on 4T]

I'm a little surprised by your comments here as I have read several of your repsones to threads on human growth hormone - somatropin - etc and found you to be on the money more often than not but for you to state that there are not risks associated with IGF is a little scary.

Firstly let me reiterate that I also love IGF. On cycle/off cycle/PCT - post cycle therapy - it has something to offer for everyone and I have only had positive results myself. I have run in combo with anabolic androgenic steroids/PegMGF and HGH.

The main problem I see with IGF is overdosing and timing of dosing for the same reasons. If you do not run IGF immediately PWO your asking for trouble. If you run more than 50mcg each injection your asking for trouble. I have read threads were people are running this at all differing times and doseages upwards of 100mcgs. This is just insane and unlike doesages of AAS were we can experiment with how much we inject I would state that IGF is something we cannot do this with.

IGF receptors are at their best state to accept IGF when a muscle is stressed from heavy resistance exercise. There is some debate as to exactly how long this upregulation lasts but seems to be accepted that in the vicinty of 60 minutes is when the receptors return to normal states. Now the body produces very little IGF naturally so if pinning in excess of 50mcgs your going to be growing something other than your muscles. Primary target is the intestines as it has the maximum number of receptors in the body. IGF is systemmic so will float around your body looking to attach to whatever it can. This is why we pin immediately PWO and no more than 50mcgs. I am sure the last thing anyone wants is the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - gut but this will happen with IGF quite quickly if your not careful with your dosing for the reasons I have oultined above.

I know personally guys that take 100mcgs per day WO or not. I agree with you I think they are stupid. They are just clogging the important receptors and the rest is wasted. I know one guy that did 150mcg's PWO for 60 days. Then on his next cycle he did about half and couldn't believe the difference in his results, he counld not understand the less if more theory. Neither of these two over-users has anything near a GH gut. I am not saying it can't happen. Hell if I snort 6 grams of coke I am going to get jacked and might die. Might not depends on many things #1 being quality! All I am saying is the guys that use the shit like coke whores, the true BB'ers they are the ones with the GH guts why because long cycles of over-use of not just GH or IGF but insulin, test, deca, winny you name it these guys will pin it. I don't know you but I have never known anyone with GH gut. Do you? If they want to be stupid and over use something than whatever. But to say using over 50mcg's of IGF not PWO is going to give you GH gut show me the guts and don't show me pro's show me gym rats. The last time I used IGF I was doing 60-90mcg's per injection and I don't have a GH gut.
Sorry I just don't buy for the average guy.