musclebrains said:
Well, reading this thread is a lot like going back to high school.
Imagine you are a 15-year-old gay kid who logs onto Elite to learn about bodybuilding and you have to read this hateful crap. It would make it very hard to ask questions of anyone, to learn anything, wouldn't it? The kid would be afraid to be himself. That's exactly what happens to gay kids in high school. They are the victims of such ignorance and abuse that they can't learn.
It is almost hilarioius to read people who disapprove of homosexuality insisting that they not attend a separate school. Of course, these are invariably the same people who insist that people not "come out." In one case they are demanding separation by the closet -- not disclosing sexual identity -- and at the same time they are outraged by physical separation provided by a school. It isn't like they are supporting the kids to be who they are.
The analogy to black Americans is specious. Black children integrated the schools under federal order with federal marshalls escorting them to class. Gay kids have no such protections. Indeed, a lot of the violence done to gay kids is sanctioned by teachers and administrators. NYC's action is a compromise with reality. It's dealing with a real problem -- the abuse and loss of gay kids -- in a society that offers them no meaningful protection.
A few years ago, one of my clients was the mother of a kid who was abused relentlessly at school. No matter how much she complained, the school administration would do nothing, claiming his abuse was his own fault for coming out, that all kids get teased, etc. The kid came home one evening, sat down at the dinner table with his large family, pulled out a revolver and shot himself dead. The eventual result was Georgia's anti-bullying law -- a positive step but not one that provides much protection until you evoke the law.
A young man I know was captain of his high school football team and an A student. He made the mistake of confiding his gay orientation to another student. The following day, the whole school knew and he was subected to constant abuse. He had to drop out of school -- AS MANY GAY KIDS DO -- to protect his damn life. Many openly gay students leave school and get equivalency certificates. The idea that they are subjected to "ordinary teasing" is incredibly ignorant.
It may be unfortunate that a separate school is necessary, but the language of most of the posts here is an excellent example of why. And, by the way, the argument that these kids will be artifically protected from society is bullshit. They still have to live in the real world outside class. After graduation, they -- like all kids-- will have a relatively freer CHOICE about whether to associate with people who speak like half the people on this thread. While in school, in a protected community, they will learn how to deal with hate in the world instead of internalzing the despicable language that fills these posts.
Sex is for reproduction only. Whatta joke. There goes the sex industry! In such a school, a kid will not have to argue this inane perspective since he can walk to any area of sex venues in the city and see with his own eyes that sex is about pleasure and occurs rather frequently without the choice to reproduce. Of course, that is just what offends many heterosexual men -- that gay people have sex only for pleasure.
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please, i just graduated from high school back in 2000, and let me assure you some of the people who get ridiculed and lampooned the worst are not even gay. EVERYONE at some point in their school career gets picked on for one reason or another, that's just how things are.
religious kids get picked on in school, so should they have their own? what about a school for fat kids who get picked on relentlessly? what about a school for unathletic kids who get picked on? what about the white kids in inner city schools who get their asses beat on a routine basis, should they have their own schools?
this list could keep growing, but i'll spare you.
if some whiny liberals didnt get involved in the beginning, we wouldnt even have this problem. they used to have schools (600 schools?) for all of the bad apples who picked on kids, kicked their asses, etc, but they can no longer have those because it isnt 'fair' to the all of the sub-human pieces of shit who can behave for 7 hours inside a school.
im amazed by some of your posts when you say, 'gay people just want to be treated like everyone else' or something along those lines, because that is the furthest from the truth. some of them are demanding hate crime legislation, which would elevate them to a higher level under the law than your typical person, their own 'gay' publicly funded schools, access to the religious institution of marriage (i agree they should have some kind of union for tax and benefits, but not call it marriage because i dont want to see law suits against churches on the grounds of 'discrimination' for not marrying a gay couple; legislation should have no part in religion at any time.), etc.
didnt you say at one point you object the use of any of your tax dollars going to religious causes? well, what about the religious people who do not want to fund a gay school?
realizing that the state has been in the red for the past two years, why are they spending all of this money for a gay school in the rich, white area of greenwich village? what about all of the poor minority kids who have been in shitholes for schools for the last 40 years?
the amount of litigation this school is going to cause isnt even going to be funny.
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