Now May Be The Time To Say This

[Nelson Montana]

As a senior member of the board I'm constantly conscious of not coming off too preachy or to recall the "old days" too much. I believe in living in the moment and most of my friends are under 39. I realize the attitude toward bodybuilding and steroids is not that of 1970. Nothing stays the same.

However...

...considering recent tragic circumstances it may be time to throw this out there without sounding out of place.

Bodybuilding is about many things -- appearance, pride, strength, confidence, and being just plain better than the average guy. But it is also about radiant health and vitality. That should be the main objective.

Of course, steroids gives us a big boost in some of these areas but when it comes at the expense of the most precious, our health, the consequences of overuse of drugs can be dire. And as we found out, it isn't something we'll have to worry about in 20 years, or 10 years down the line. It's something that can occur before it's too late to do anything about it.

It's great to see that the use of DNP and insulin is way down. Even clen isn't used as much. But we still need to be careful. These are serious compounds. They should be treated with the utmost reverence and admiration. Yes, admiration. They are amazing -- which is why excessive use is so gluttonous and unnecessary. And one more thing. We should approach them with fear. That's right. Be afraid. Instead of thinking of extending that cycle to 16 weeks because it's so awesome, you should be worrying what damage you've done in the last 8.

Guys who are 18% bf are doing cutters. Guys who will never step on stage asking about GH. And any way you slice it, central nervous system stimulants are playing russian roulette with your heart. DO NOT fuck with that shit. Arnold, Draper, Zane, Scott -- those guys didn't use clen or ephedra. What the fuck makes you better than them? Wake up people. This isn't a joke. Some of this shit will hurt you and hurt you bad. We do not need any more tragedies.

Bodybuilding is an amazing lifestyle. And although I don't expect everyone to live a squeaky clean life, as bodybuilders we must show respect for our bodies. When I'm 60 I want to be healthy, disease and ailment free, and I expect to have a rock hard cock! THAT is what this is all about. Not looking jacked at 27 and in a hospital at 32.

I know these messages don't have longevity. Everyone grieves for a while, then forgets, then moves on. But if this message stays with just one person long enough to maybe prevent a fatal error, it's worth it.

Stay safe my brothers. There's lots of lifting to do.

 

[dabuffguy]

As a senior member of the board I'm constantly conscious of not coming off too preachy or to recall the "old days" too much. I believe in living in the moment and most of my friends are under 39. I realize the attitude toward bodybuilding and steroids is not that of 1970. Nothing stays the same.

However...

...considering recent tragic circumstances it may be time to throw this out there without sounding out of place.

Bodybuilding is about many things -- appearance, pride, strength, confidence, and being just plain better than the average guy. But it is also about radiant health and vitality. That should be the main objective.

Of course, steroids gives us a big boost in some of these areas but when it comes at the expense of the most precious, our health, the consequences of overuse of drugs can be dire. And as we found out, it isn't something we'll have to worry about in 20 years, or 10 years down the line. It's something that can occur before it's too late to do anything about it.

It's great to see that the use of DNP and insulin is way down. Even clen isn't used as much. But we still need to be careful. These are serious compounds. They should be treated with the utmost reverence and admiration. Yes, admiration. They are amazing -- which is why excessive use is so gluttonous and unnecessary. And one more thing. We should approach them with fear. That's right. Be afraid. Instead of thinking of extending that cycle to 16 weeks because it's so awesome, you should be worrying what damage you've done in the last 8.

Guys who are 18% bf are doing cutters. Guys who will never step on stage asking about GH. And any way you slice it, central nervous system stimulants are playing russian roulette with your heart. DO NOT fuck with that shit. Arnold, Draper, Zane, Scott -- those guys didn't use clen or ephedra. What the fuck makes you better than them? Wake up people. This isn't a joke. Some of this shit will hurt you and hurt you bad. We do not need any more tragedies.

Bodybuilding is an amazing lifestyle. And although I don't expect everyone to live a squeaky clean life, as bodybuilders we must show respect for our bodies. When I'm 60 I want to be healthy, disease and ailment free, and I expect to have a rock hard cock! THAT is what this is all about. Not looking jacked at 27 and in a hospital at 32.

I know these messages don't have longevity. Everyone grieves for a while, then forgets, then moves on. But if this message stays with just one person long enough to maybe prevent a fatal error, it's worth it.

Stay safe my brothers. There's lots of lifting to do.

I agree with every last word in this page.

Clen, DNP = dangerous and stupid. Especially when you use benadryl with clen to enable to use it for longer peiods of time. WTF would you do that to your body, for real? It will fuck with you.

Slin and GH are all worthless drugs unless you have a pro card and it's worth the risk to make it big time.

Fellas, I had some long PM chats with our bro that has gone before us, and I was amazed at the extent of the use he used clen and ECA's. It will get you lean, but it is NOT healthy to your body ever.

 

[halfcenturian]

+1


Bullseye, as usual, Nelson....... from a fellow quintogenarian.

 

[dabuffguy]

Also, as a side note.

I have noticed lots of members that are newer and/or have relatively few posts talking about using clen to get lean for the beach and what not.


If you aren't willing to put in the work to get lean without using the stims, you don't deserve to get that ripped.


It may take a little longer, and you may be 9% BF instead of 8%, but that makes no difference in trying to impress the chicks and guys. Geting lean and ripped is very hard if you're over 21 for most people, but it is so much worth the extra hard work in diet and cardio to achieve that than to short cut and use drugs that play havoc on your system.


No drugs always > drugs, in every single case.
After what has happened, i seriously feel more concern for the bros on here. Everyone of you. Being not quite as lean or not quite is big is worth every ounce if it means you are doing it healthily. using aas can be done safely and produce great results, and actually improve your health. It can also really screw you over. Be smart, be safe, and train hard.

 

[Heath1282]

i must also agree. great post!

 

[chazk]

great post, these are all DRUGS we use and need to respect them and treat them as such

 

[1999TL]

Damn Nelson, you deserve a hug. I wish more people would have your philosophy.

 

[perryscoon]

He once told me in a pm that he found it VERY difficult to get lean without clen. So, I believe he used it quite a bit. I want to know if this is in fact the cause of his heart failure. I don't use clen and have never had the desire too after hearing how it feels to take it. The shit just sounded dangerous to me.

I'll take tren any day over that shit.

 

[1999TL]

I'll take tren any day over that shit.

That really doesn't sound that much better to me.

 

[LiquidPhire]

He was a fan of Clen he gave me his dosages at one point and it was high by standards I could handle. Im wondering if adderall is related to this because I am perscribed adderall for adhd and its quite the stimulant.