trowsersnake98 said:
whats the different between regular dermacrine and dermacrine sustain?
Here is a cut n paste from our FAQ section -
What is the difference between Dermacrine and Dermacrine Sustain?
The newer Dermacrine Sustain does not contain the DHEA or pregnenolone. We removed these ingredients for several reasons –.
Based on our product research, It seems that there is a wide variance of effectiveness among users of Dermacrine. In some men, Dermacrine becomes such a powerful testosterone booster that it can eventually suppress LH & FSH and inhibit natural testosterone production in the testes. This is due to the high amount of hormonal conversion enzymes (specifically - 17b hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase) and the peripheral conversion rate of DHEA > Testosterone. While in other users, minimal conversion of DHEA > testosterone was seen, due to a lack of these hormonal conversion enzymes. Although the conversion rate of DHEA > Testosterone can be influenced by applying Dermacrine to different areas of the skin (info here) – We wanted to release a product that could provide more consistent results among users, and offer more stimulation of testosterone from the bodies natural production site – the testes.
Dermacrine Sustain accomplishes this by removal of the pro-hormones and increase in the Phyto-AI complex (info here). Now, with a higher concentration of the Phyto-AI complex, this will allow for increased LH & FSH levels, thereby stimulating more testosterone production from the testes.
Another reason for creating a formula without DHEA and pregnenolone is that these pro-hormones are banned substances in other countries. (i.e.Canada) These pro-hormones are also tested for in certain athletic and bodybuilding organizations, so we opted to remove these ingredients and make Dermacrine Sustain as a formula that was available to all users.
How do I know which product is right for me?
While both products will boost testosterone levels, they accomplish this by different mechanisms. Original Dermacrine will boost levels partly from conversion of DHEA > testosterone and partly by stimulating the testes to produce their own testosterone. Dermacrine Sustain boosts testosterone strictly from the testes.
Because of the exogenous source of DHEA and pregnenolone, Dermacrine will provide a quicker and stronger boost in hormone levels. Therefore, users looking for an immediate anabolic/androgenic boost should opt for the original Dermacrine. This also makes Dermacrine the perfect product for hormone replacement therapy (HRT), or as a supplement to stack with other pro-hormone type products for the ultimate anabolic, androgenic cycle.
Dermacrine Sustain is ideal for stimulating the testes to produce their own testosterone, however results may take several weeks to manifest. This stimulation of natural testosterone production makes Dermacrine Sustain the optimum choice for post cycle therapy (PCT) as a substitute for clomid, nolvadex, ect.. Dermacrine Sustain would also be the ideal choice for those interested in enhancing sexual performance.
Note: It is estimated that about 10% of users develop semi-anxiety or irritability from the high levels of DHEA in the original Dermacrine. In this case, Dermacrine Sustain would be a better choice for increasing testosterone without the potential DHEA side-effects.
Which product will increase my testosterone more?
This really depends on the user. As it was mentioned above, Dermacrine is best for quickly increasing testosterone beyond the high-normal range because of the high concentration of DHEA. However, this is also highly dependant upon hormone enzyme activity and the bodies ability to convert DHEA > testosterone.
On the other hand, Dermacrine Sustain will likely produce more consistent results for most men and can eventually increase testosterone more than original Dermacrine as the testis gradually reach a point of maximum production. Men who do not realize a significant testosterone boost from original Dermacrine, would most likely notice better results from Dermacrine Sustain since it will be encouraging testosterone production more from the testes, rather than relying on conversion of DHEA > testosterone outside of the testes.
What should I notice from using these products?
Most users of Dermacrine notice an immediate increase in motivational energy within the first few days. Within two weeks, most users notice increased stamina and strength during training, and increased recovery time. Many users also notice improvement in sleep quality and increased immunity against sickness. The increased testosterone and protein synthesis is often accompanied by an aggressive increase in appetite. A moderate increase in libido and sexual energy is also common.
Dermacrine Sustain would eventually provide similar benefits, but would be superior for increasing sexual performance, libido, erectile function, ejaculatory volume, ect.
Many users also notice an increase in body temperature from the thermogenic, fat burning activity of the natural polyphenols and flavonoids in both products. This increased metabolic activity becomes fairly noticeable by increased body heat and perspiration.
Can I use both Dermacrine and Dermacrine Sustain at the same time?
Generally, this would not provide additional benefit.
The only scenario in which both products could be used at the same time would be if one wished to reduce estrogen beyond the capacity of Dermacrine used by itself. Therefore, if additional anti-estrogenic activity was desired while using the original Dermacrine, one could add Dermacrine Sustain.
How long can I use these products? Do I have to take time off?
We recommend only using Dermacrine for 4 weeks, with equal time off between each “cycle”. Although testosterone levels will return to a normal levels or remain slightly elevated post use, we recommend using Dermacrine Sustain after Dermacrine cycles, to keep levels optimally high.
Dermacrine Sustain should be used for at least 4 weeks for maximum benefit and can be used continuously as a long-term testosterone support formula without cycling.
Can I use these Dermacrine products with other testosterone boosters?
Yes, it is fine to use other testosterone boosting products with Dermacrine or Dermcrine Sustain for a synergistic effect. However we do not recommend supplementing additional DHEA with original Dermacrine as this would supply overly excessive DHEA levels.
If users are looking to stack products for maximum gains in muscle mass we suggest using the original Dermacrine with other pro-hormone type products, and using Dermacrine Sustain afterwards to reinstate hormone production.
Are there any side effects?
No, both products are safe for men at the suggested recommended dose. All ingredients are safe, granted the user does not have any serious pre-existing medical condition. The only side-effects to consider would be the potential irritability or semi-anxiety of the DHEA in the original Dermacrine (noted above). However, these effects are uncommon and generally mild.
Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below 
