Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below ok, so after some ass pain from my BD trenabol and Testabol, i decided to switch to the quad (ive never injected oil in my quads, only igf and hcg)..holy shit, BIG MISTAKE!!, i can even walk or do anything, it took my 20 mins to get up a flight of stairs, now that im up here, im never going back down, lol....and suggestions on how to get rid of this pain?? and massaging it isnt an optioon, breathing on it alone causes blinding pain..
note to self...never inject in quads again!!
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solidspine
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Quads are tricky, but I still believe the pain from an injection is much more the gear than the locations of injections, pin size, etc…………..
I did a t-300 quad shot over a month ago, still feel it. Since then have switched to test e 200,
Shoot 1 gram a week, with little problem and no pain.
I did a t-300 quad shot over a month ago, still feel it. Since then have switched to test e 200,
Shoot 1 gram a week, with little problem and no pain.
taoiron
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rnch said:quads are my favorite place to stick...easy to get to and plenty of muscle area to stick. little/no pain as u have described.
if u think quads r bad, try calves......
OOF!!
I actually prefer quads also… Easy to access, deep muscles and you can use both hands.
I do rotate Glutes, pecs, quads, bi’s and delts.
boxerjake
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Personaly i find it more " what " your injecting then "where " ....
I can inject any enth ester anyplace and tolorate it rather well but take something like test " prop " and try site injecting that shit ...... My first quad injection had somewhat the same results as you got .
I'm turning into a sadest as of late ... i've been injecting tren ace in my biceps and getting addicted to the pain and the massive pumps . When the injection pain leaves i find myself pineing for it's return . I think it would be cheaper to just have a buddy nail me with a baseball bat ... LOL
No pain .... no gain
I can inject any enth ester anyplace and tolorate it rather well but take something like test " prop " and try site injecting that shit ...... My first quad injection had somewhat the same results as you got .
I'm turning into a sadest as of late ... i've been injecting tren ace in my biceps and getting addicted to the pain and the massive pumps . When the injection pain leaves i find myself pineing for it's return . I think it would be cheaper to just have a buddy nail me with a baseball bat ... LOL
No pain .... no gain
Vascular Freak
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ricorico said:
Bro I just injected BD test e and primo in quads. With BD test e you will get pain and lumps no matter what you do. The only thing you can do is to lessen the lump and pain by doing the following, it has nothing to do with injecting your quads, any muscle site would hurt.
Heat the gear in the syringe before you inject
Inject very slow
Run HOT HOT shower water over the site right after injecting, massage while running hot water over it. Do this for 10 minutes or so.
Use an electric heating pad after the shower for about 15 minutes while massaging.
Take 400mg ibuprofen at the first signs of swelling or soreness.
This may sound like a proccess but if your like me and already purchased the gear, and can't deal with crippling shots then this time spent will be well worth it rather than hobbling around for a week or to and not being able to train with full intensity.
iHulk
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Shouldn't hurt that much to inject if at all. Of course if the needle is 1.5" and 21 gauge and you go all the way in, yea its gonna hurt. Glutes, never give me a prob. Quads can give a little sting but usually goes away very quickly. I've heard that BD test is thick (which is just plain incomprehensible) and has given bros some tuff injects.
yeh, there's a thin line b/t pain and pleasure, isn't it!! i sometimes wonder if we (bodybuilders) get addicted to the pain and stiffness.boxerjake said:... I think it would be cheaper to just have a buddy nail me with a baseball bat ... LOL
No pain .... no gain
the baseball bat method may feel similar (LOL) but peeps would look at u with pity, not with the respect, admiration (and lust?) they do now, bj!
Vascular Freak
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iHulk said:
yah its the BD test e, there is really not much more to say about their test e. Its effective but just kicks your ass
drols of steel
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I keep hearing about the pain associated with BD Gear or Test specificlly. I almost wonder if it has to do with the ampunt of BA that they add to the mix. ??? Good luck, Drol's
P.S. Maybe switching to a different Lab (Brand) will help you out.
P.S. Maybe switching to a different Lab (Brand) will help you out.
Stacemranger
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Mikefear, who is in your avi?
ehhh quads are my last place i resort to, not so much pain as a factor as the amount of nerves in that particular spot and the fact i manage to ALWAYS hit one....lastly due to the overall "weird" feeling i get from injecting there....for me its (in order of preference)
glutes
shoulders
tris
bis
gonna give pecs a shot at some point.......
glutes
shoulders
tris
bis
gonna give pecs a shot at some point.......
boxerjake
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boops said:
Where in the quad do you inject .... ?
I've see guys inject from the front and dead center in the leg !! dangerous ..
cuz there's a host of shit to run into ...
I go a hand distance up from the knee directly into the side of the leg which should be the vastus laterus ( spelling ) instead of the larger rectus femoris muscle belly in front .
Never in 20 years hit blood or a nerve ..... I did seize up my leg once injecting prop which had way to much BA for my liking and that hurt like a bastard for a week ... my ass is the olny place left that will tolorate prop
Vascular Freak
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boops said:
The trick to injecting quad is to go high and outside. If you are standing up let your arms hang down by your side. Right about where your finger rest against your thigh is where you inject. At first it seems weird but the higher and more to the outside of the wuad you inject the less the muscle stretched and contracts while walking etc. If you inject a hands distance away from the knee with painful gear like BD you won't be able to bend your knee for a week or so and will end up walking around like a vietnam vet with a fused knee
Vascular Freak said:The trick to injecting quad is to go high and outside. If you are standing up let your arms hang down by your side. Right about where your finger rest against your thigh is where you inject. At first it seems weird but the higher and more to the outside of the wuad you inject the less the muscle stretched and contracts while walking etc. If you inject a hands distance away from the knee with painful gear like BD you won't be able to bend your knee for a week or so and will end up walking around like a vietnam vet with a fused knee
thats what i do with the finger thing but like i said plenty of other places to do it so ill pass......
marvelous54
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I LOVE QUAD INJ's
I was doing ED injecting using farmak t prop in my bi's,quads, and delts and never had any problems. I tried this other UG lab t prop, stuck it in my delt this past Sunday and thought no big deal, went in fine and no pain. Couple hours later and I got my rude awakening. The muscle fibers I injected in was inflammed big time, all the surrounding tissue was sore as a muther, I couldn't go near it. Next day, I mixed in some EQ with the t prop, injected in my quad, and again, no pain and said ok cool. I even took a hot shower for a good 15 minutes and massaged it real good. Went to bed, got up to pee in the middle of the night and felt some pain with swelling and started wondering how bad it would get. That morning 2 days ago I couldnt get freaking dressed. Lifting my leg was almost near impossible. Today, 3 days later my delt is fine and my quad has that laughing crying feeling when you touch it. At the moment I'm baking the t prop. From what I can tell, it's not the injection site, it's the gear your injecting.
I found this post and it's a good read.
What makes shots hurt?
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High Mg per ML Steroids, What you need to know –
1. Most hormones have a pretty low solubility in oil.
2. The primary ways to increase solubility are to
A) add solvent (BA or EA).
B) Add an ester to the hormone. The longer the ester the more hormone will fit in the oil at a certain mg per ml ratio. Conversely, the weight of the ester is also factored in the total mg per ml ratio, so while you can fit more hormone in, you are getting less actual hormone than the mg amount implies. Here are some examples:
Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63
nand phenyl 67
nand deca 64
This means that if your test cyp says 200 mgs per ml you get an actual 140 mgs of test. The rest of the weight is the weight of the ester. If that sounds like a bad deal you need to understand that test no ester is VERY insoluble in oil without going to very high mg per ml solvent concentrations.
This brings up the next point; PAIN!
Why do some shots hurt? There are two primary reasons. One, the solvent ratio is too high. Anything over about 10% starts to hurt. BA and EA are VERY inflammatory to the tissues. That’s why you want ONLY enough to help your oil hold more gear but not so much that it causes inflammation.
The second reason is that the gear crystallizes in the depot. This is precisely why water-based suspensions feel like hammer blows. The water is absorbed FAST, leaving the gear to crystallize in the tissues = PAIN. Even gear in oil can do this, here is how it works. If you use a low ester weight attached to your gear and make the mg per ml ratio SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the oil will hold on it's own, what happens is the body absorbs the solvent faster than the oil/gear and the gear falls out of the solution and crystallizes in the depot and WHAM, it hurts like hell. An optimum solution has just enough solvent to get more gear into solution than you could otherwise, but not so much that what I just stated happens. When the ratios are correct the gear holds in the solution UNTIL the whole depot is absorbed and very little or no pain is felt. Just to end this misconception once and for all IT IS NOT THE VOLUME OF THE OIL THAT CAUSES THE PAIN, IT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS STATED ABOVE. You can shoot 5 cc's of sterile oil and never know you took a shot. It IS NOT HOW MUCH OIL YOU SHOOT! So why does everyone search for super high mg per ml ratio gear like it's the damn holy grail???
What is too high? Well the length of the ester is really what determines that but most of us here know the gear that hurts and know we know why. All tests over 250 mgs per ml hurt, and actually most of the 250 mg tests hurt too. SOOOO many people want there tren at 150-200 mgs per ml. Tren acetate should be at about what?? 75 mgs per ml. That is why all the kits are designed this way. Do you really think it's cheaper for the kit producers to add MORE oil to their kits instead of less? One other quick note. Oil is used
because it SLOWS absorption. THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT YOU WANT IN A STEROID SHOT! Less oil does not promote the steady state hormone levels achieved with more oil.
Originally posted by Doom
I found this post and it's a good read.
What makes shots hurt?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
High Mg per ML Steroids, What you need to know –
1. Most hormones have a pretty low solubility in oil.
2. The primary ways to increase solubility are to
A) add solvent (BA or EA).
B) Add an ester to the hormone. The longer the ester the more hormone will fit in the oil at a certain mg per ml ratio. Conversely, the weight of the ester is also factored in the total mg per ml ratio, so while you can fit more hormone in, you are getting less actual hormone than the mg amount implies. Here are some examples:
Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63
nand phenyl 67
nand deca 64
This means that if your test cyp says 200 mgs per ml you get an actual 140 mgs of test. The rest of the weight is the weight of the ester. If that sounds like a bad deal you need to understand that test no ester is VERY insoluble in oil without going to very high mg per ml solvent concentrations.
This brings up the next point; PAIN!
Why do some shots hurt? There are two primary reasons. One, the solvent ratio is too high. Anything over about 10% starts to hurt. BA and EA are VERY inflammatory to the tissues. That’s why you want ONLY enough to help your oil hold more gear but not so much that it causes inflammation.
The second reason is that the gear crystallizes in the depot. This is precisely why water-based suspensions feel like hammer blows. The water is absorbed FAST, leaving the gear to crystallize in the tissues = PAIN. Even gear in oil can do this, here is how it works. If you use a low ester weight attached to your gear and make the mg per ml ratio SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the oil will hold on it's own, what happens is the body absorbs the solvent faster than the oil/gear and the gear falls out of the solution and crystallizes in the depot and WHAM, it hurts like hell. An optimum solution has just enough solvent to get more gear into solution than you could otherwise, but not so much that what I just stated happens. When the ratios are correct the gear holds in the solution UNTIL the whole depot is absorbed and very little or no pain is felt. Just to end this misconception once and for all IT IS NOT THE VOLUME OF THE OIL THAT CAUSES THE PAIN, IT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS STATED ABOVE. You can shoot 5 cc's of sterile oil and never know you took a shot. It IS NOT HOW MUCH OIL YOU SHOOT! So why does everyone search for super high mg per ml ratio gear like it's the damn holy grail???
What is too high? Well the length of the ester is really what determines that but most of us here know the gear that hurts and know we know why. All tests over 250 mgs per ml hurt, and actually most of the 250 mg tests hurt too. SOOOO many people want there tren at 150-200 mgs per ml. Tren acetate should be at about what?? 75 mgs per ml. That is why all the kits are designed this way. Do you really think it's cheaper for the kit producers to add MORE oil to their kits instead of less? One other quick note. Oil is used
because it SLOWS absorption. THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT YOU WANT IN A STEROID SHOT! Less oil does not promote the steady state hormone levels achieved with more oil.
Originally posted by Doom
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